But for those with serious addictions, alcohol, drugs, food, times of crisis and isolation are even more dangerous.

And here to talk with us about this is addiction specialist and creator of the Beacon program here in New York, Molly Caramel.

Thank you so much for being with us, Molly and as an addiction specialist.

Tell us what is going on, what you're seeing during this time of quarantine.

It's a time that we want to be feeling different than we're feeling right.

We want to be feeling good.

We want to be feeling numb.

We want to be feeling high, so cute, these addictive behaviors for people who struggle, who struggle with them.

These are very familiar patterns that could be easy to go back to.

Alcohol, drugs, overeating, gambling, shopping, sex.

You name it right.

And then this is also another caveat.

Because those who are in recovery who were used to attending those regular meetings with support groups face to face that's gone now.

So what can they do?

What options are there for them?

Well, it's actually an incredible, incredible and very beautiful thing that was happens.

Those communities and specifically the 12 step community, has galvanized in a tremendous way.

Nearly the entire community, at least in New York City, is on zoom go business as usual.

And so for those who are struggling in general, I would suggest to go to the inter group home page of any of the 12 step communities, and you'll see that there are phone meetings that their online meetings.

It's different, but it'll d'oh!

That's amusing yet.

No, it's better than nothing, certainly.

So what are your tips for those who are at home struggling?

You say the first thing you should do is be flexible?

Absolutely.

As a therapist, all I'm hearing is like it doesn't feel the same.

My workouts don't feel the same.

That there if he doesn't feel the same and the truth is it's not the same.

But these days I think we have to say that something is better than nothing.

And so getting our heads wrapped around this being new and this we have to find a way to make this new life okay and reasonable for us, Yeah, the next one you say is get off your devices.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, talk about how isolating and crazy making those can be.

And I'm not one to say we should be on a news cleanse at all.

But finding a middle path between your scrolling and your information in take bursts is where it turns you into and towards spaces.

That doesn't feel useful towards you.

I think it's finding a middle path and limiting your screen use and your news on your feet, right.

You want to be connected, but you don't want it to somehow be disruptive.

So you also say you get a plan?

Absolutely.

And I think that this is one of the more common suggestions right now is you got a plan.

But I think that, you know, certainly an addiction we thrive on schedule on.

And I think there are things that people are overlooking, so scheduling our meals, scheduling are showering, and I actually think scheduling our connection, you know, the opposite of addiction is connection, and we can get isolated so quickly our minds can become a really dangerous neighborhood.

And so I'm actually saying thio schedule reaching out to three people a day you know, and by the way, helps other people too.

I know what I've been getting.

Phone calls have been like, Oh, I'm so glad you don't think about myself today.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, I know.

I think that's a great, great advice.

And the next one you say is to be mindful.

Yeah.

I mean, the thing is, like, we have a little bit of spare time.

Maybe not all the parents out there, but, you know, it's a meditation and mindfulness, and so it's a biologically based intervention.

It actually helps us to manager anxiety.

Like Dan Harris was saying this morning.

And so what a wonderful time to pick up a practice and not necessarily sitting quietly but getting focused for so many ways that we can be managing our anxiety, working on our neural pathways on dhe, you know, feeling.

I mean, we're certainly not gonna be feeling exactly the way we felt a few months ago, but we could be doing better than we're doing and feeling better than work feeling It's certainly somewhat of a self.

We had that power within Molly Caramel.

Thanks so much for joining us this afternoon.

Thank you.

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