Name: 與約科-威林克。"烏托邦蘇聯國家的災難 (With Jocko Willink: The Catastrophe of the Utopian Soviet State)
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This is Jocko podcast number 155 with me Jocko Willington

In the mission report the head of the convoy wrote

At 2 pm. On May 20th. I went to the island of Nazino with commander Tsepkov

There was a terrible scramble people crowding and fighting around the bags of flour

Dead bodies everywhere a hundred or more and

Lots of people crawling about and crying give us bread boss. It's been two days since we've been given anything to eat

They're trying to make us die of hunger and the cold

They told us that people had begun eating the dead bodies

The scene on the island was dreadful appalling

The three health officers counted 70 additional dead bodies in five cases, they emphasized

The liver the heart the lungs and fleshy part of bodies had been cut off

On one of the bodies the head had been torn off along the along with the male

These mutilations constitute strong evidence of cannibalistic acts in addition they suggest the existence of serious

On the same day May 21st, the deportees themselves brought us three individuals who had been caught

Our examination of these three individuals did not reveal any extreme emaciation

And there's an elderly local peasant woman who reported the things we saw

People were dying everywhere they were killing each other

Viniq off a young fellow. He was courting a pretty girl who had been sent there. He protected her

And he told one of his comrades take care of her

People caught the girl tied her to a tree caught off her breasts her muscles everything they could eat

Tried to save her but she had lost too much blood. She

When you went along the island you saw flesh wrapped in rags

Human flesh that had been cut and hung in the trees

And that right there is from a book called cannibal Island by Nicolas Werth

Who's written books about communism I think his most famous is the black book of communism and

individual nightmares of the Soviet gulags

And it certainly was not specific. It was a widespread and it was broad and

And very little about it would be known or not for one man

Very well researched two books about the gulags. Some of them were fictionalized

Like a day in the life of Ivan Denisovich

for the for the good of the cause, but most comprehensively in his three-volume tome The Gulag Archipelago and

This series is is a massive series and it's been cut down to an abridged version that

was actually approved by the author himself and

The abridged version has just been re-released in Europe with a foreword by a man that I think

Repopulated a to discuss that book and among other things. I'm sure a man

That I needed to give an introduction to the first time. He was on this podcast, but

now who needs no introduction whatsoever a man by the name of

How does it rough beginning chuckle Jesus

Remember when I started listening to you?

You would say something along the lines of that

you know, we are quite capable of creating hell for ourselves as human beings and

Clearly that situation. I don't know. I mean that's that's that's hell. Yeah, and

Yeah, and it's it's it's created by us. It's created by us, which I think is

Obviously horrific and the Gulag Archipelago

You know you talked about that book a lot and and one of the things that on that book hits you hard, obviously

For me, there's a book called about face by by colonel. David hackworth. I'm from a different

The book that hit me hardest in my life was was that book?

about face and it's it's one of those things that

when I read it, I started putting it together as like things started to fit and I

Remember that and I was wondering I guess from my perspective at what point did you

Read the Gulag Archipelago. And at what point did you start to say?

Okay, there's something really really important here for me to try and understand

I read the ley de Dave day in the life of Ivan Denisovich when I was about 13 or 14 and

Then I read the Gulag Archipelago in my early 20s

when I was reading a lot of psychological material too when I started reading Jung and Freud and the great clinicians and

I was reading a fair bit about what had happened in Nazi Germany at the same time

and also Victor Frankel's met man's search for meaning and

Solzhenitsyn's book is in some ways like an elaborated extension of Frankle, Frankle

Of course described what happened to him in the Nazi concentration camps and it's a relatively short book and it's a great book

but Solzhenitsyn's book is it's it's much broader and and I would say deeper and