They go way too far when there's not in this, but but you can start to see, especially when you think about 15 or 20 years ago why they might have had a little bit of a superiority condo complex over the Windows world again as somebody who actually had to administer Windows NT 4.0, in the production environment, when you realize this is what Lennox folks were dealing with 20 years ago, compared to what the Windows and T folks we're dealing with, you can see why they would think that this is a better way to do things.