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  • What is the point of getting Brexit done as is become what this election is about?

  • If it won't solve any off the problems normal British people actually care about And what What problems are you thinking of, Josh?

  • Well, the N h s crisis, the underfunding of schools, the just that the general failure of most public service is in the country.

  • James, this is something more.

  • Stones is very keen on taking his knee.

  • So I think you're a number of things about getting Brexit done.

  • Firstly, it goes to the heart of what democracy means because we had a referendum in 2016 on at that referendum.

  • Both sides off the campaign, I think that is the question is not about the democracy is what's the point.

  • Getting enough.

  • It won't solve any problems normal British people care about.

  • Josh didn't mention democracy.

  • They talked about the N hs for education, austerity, that kind of thing.

  • But the point I'm saying is it goes the heart off the integrity of our democratic process.

  • And that, in turn, is what underpins all the things that you're saying now.

  • The reason that we say get Brexit done so that we can invest in the N hs in police and education.

  • And that kind of stuff is because whether we are in the European Union or have left the European Union effects the government's ability to intervene, invest in other things.

  • So until unless you have a plan to deliver Brexit, you can't have a credible plan for anything else on.

  • Actually what we're seeing right with the Pisa results eyes, we're seeing our educational standards increasing.

  • But what we want to do is the government is You want to go further.

  • We want to invest more in education, Maura the n hs Maurin policing so that we can continue the improvements that we have seen on improve things with any chess team you're not talking about improving Unit has had the worst, any waiting figures we locked in in on record.

  • Well, um, after 10 years of concert tickets and that's because what we've seen over a period of time is record increases in demand.

  • So more people using the N hs everybody's fault spending way have got record increases, has been spending more now on the N hs than we've ever done in the past.

  • But we need to go further on DDE in order to be able to go further.

  • We need to have a resolution uncertainty over Brexit and that's why we're saying it's important we get this done.

  • So we know what financial framework we've got, what regulatory framework we've got, whether we're in part of the growth and stability pact or or not and so as to say, until you've got a plan to deliver Brexit, you don't have a plan for anything.

  • Does that answer your question?

  • To some degree?

  • I would say there's a lot more rhetoric there than I'd like to hear.

  • Ah, my expose.

  • The core of the question is how How is what you're proposing, going to help people and how are all these men and women who were dying on trolleys because you're not funding the N.

  • H.

  • S probably going to be saved going to be helped because we're not in the U anymore.

  • I think you connect connecting two different things.

  • So the point is that we want to invest in the public service is we've got a plan to do, so that plan builds on the investment that we've already put in these public service is but separate.

  • That why you're saying why we are S o keen to make sure we get Brexit done is because all of us, all the parties represented at this table tonight promised we would respect the referendum result.

  • Andi.

  • As it stands, the Conservatives are the ones who actually delivering on that promise.

  • But Boris Johnson Steel is not going to put an end to this wrangling because all it deals with is just how we would leave the EU.

  • There's nothing in there but sites out what our future relationship would look like.

  • So if we think that if Boris Johnson gets in that he'll get Brexit done on, that'll be it.

  • And finally, we can concentrate on all these important matters.

  • We're deluding ourselves.

  • That's not gonna be the reality will have.

  • May I finish?

  • We'll have many more years of argument over the future.

  • Relationship labors approaches different.

  • We've said that we've had MPs arguing about this for three years about what way they want to leave in whether they want to leave.

  • We're saying, Let's put this to the people that you have your C with a deal.

  • That's not the damaging deal that Boris Johnson's presenting with one that actually say's what the situation will look like in the future, but as well as, well, no, it's not because it will enable people toe have their say on that reasonable deal versus remain for the first time in three years.

  • You know what?

  • MPs have been arguing?

  • You've been cut out of the argument and that shouldn't happen.

  • We'd get it out with, and then we can get on with dealing with Theo.

  • I mean, it's basically remain or version of fudged remain.

  • You know there won't be a credible leave option on the table.

  • But the truth is, you say that phase to, you know, talk about the future.

  • Simple free trade deal will take years.

  • And yet you also say that the labor position is we can get this done in three months and have a referendum.

  • It really that doesn't compute.

  • That doesn't work, does it is an enormous it's you haven't looked at the labor plants, but we've said that we would essentially take what Theresa may have before, plus a customs union that scent.

  • So the future trajectory we would set that up against remain and let people see?

  • You think you could do that?

  • Three months and you don't think it's possible?

  • T people?

  • No, I don't.

  • Different things, Richard.

  • Different different thing.

  • There's already a customs union within that.

  • We want to leave with your to delivering.

  • So we voted to leave the customs.

  • You with respect.

  • We didn't think we absolutely did.

  • We voted to leave with respect.

  • Didn't people voted?

  • So leave the EU with various leave politicians saying that that would mean leaving a customs union or the customs union.

  • Other scene.

  • Oh, no, it won't.

  • Actually.

  • It's not gonna look anything like that.

  • That wasn't about its dying, remember?

  • Do you know what?

  • Let's not have a wrangle here.

  • Let's see what our orders got there.

  • So many Hands up.

  • Yes, The woman in the red and black top there with the glasses.

  • Yeah.

  • Yeah.

  • The problem I've got is I'm a traditional labour voter.

  • Green alignment as well.

  • Green Party lineman.

  • I voted to leave and there isn't one part of that represents.

  • May.

  • I haven't got a clue what I'm going to do on Thursday.

  • Theo, I don't want to vote Tory.

  • I don't want to live with targets, policies but that the only part is that saying, Look out, labor believe in and, uh, remain on the referendum.

  • If if they in and they do, what they're going to do, they're leavin.

  • Remain as an option.

  • If you were saying I would deal or no deal, I would vote laid back because I agree with a lot of your policies.

  • But you choose in tow.

  • Leave remain.

  • If you get in tow, have another rerun of the referendum and leave remains an option.

  • The woman in the white T shirt.

  • I don't think it's particularly fair to have enough of on something we've already voted for passing away.

  • Theo.

  • Continue to keep voting on the subjects we've already voted for.

  • Let's just get don't you know what the issue is?

  • Sexist, A struggling.

  • You're not gonna get time to solve those issues.

  • If you still set up that table, deciding what you want to do, Just get Don't the woman known in the glasses and Mr Tyson.

  • Mr cleverly talked about how its democratic in how we averted far it, but only factor 7.7% of the electorate diverted.

  • Leave Andi in the first Scottish devolution referendum just as an example, I needed to be a fresh hood.

  • A fresh hold of fought 2% of the electorate.

  • Vertigo to be have a devolved assembly.

  • So why is it different now?

  • But you're saying reverted for it and its Democratic when it's technically illegitimate?

  • Theo.

  • Just jobs in Sam's What you said in terms of public funding, you could find a £1,000,000,000 when you need to blackmail that the U P In subverting fear.

  • You can find money when it sinks.

  • Sure, that's disgraceful, baby.

  • And it shouldn't be allowed in terms of labor.

  • We voted for Brexit with invert for Africa half out.

  • We've got leaflet, read a single market.

  • Leave the Customs Union to leave.

  • We didn't vote for any half measures.

  • What?

  • Your trains?

  • That there was crowded with Walter because you don't like the decision you would.

  • You're unusually quiet.

  • Something listening is the course.

  • I've never heard you actually reflecting on what people are saying.

  • That I understand the strength of opinion that it is here and hold.

  • But the question was about what is the point of getting Brexit done?

  • The issue is if the U.

  • K does leave on the basis of what Boris Johnson has put forward.

  • That is simply not getting Brexit done, because we've got to go into the trade talks on the future relationship on.

  • I have to see to you that is no experience off any country that's conducted and completely trade talks with the European Union and 11 months.

  • It's just not possible.

  • So the harsh reality is if Boris Johnson delivers what is saying it's going to do to you?

  • It means that the risk of that new ordeal Brexit becomes ever closer.

  • That will happen at the end of 2020.

  • Any rational economic analysis assured that people are going to be a price for that jobs are going to be lost in Scotland.

  • We'd be talking about losing up to 100,000 jobs and of course we were told that our own referendum in 2014 if we stayed in the UK that would be stayed in Europe.

  • And so for us in Scotland, we've got a very simple choice in this election because we're not prepared to be taken out of the European Union against our will, and we've got the option of protecting ourselves on becoming an independent contribute on this issue of public service is because there is no doubt that the any chess is a massive issue.

  • Let me make an offer to the people here because what we've suggested is the any chess spending should increase to the level that we currently have in Scotland, which is £136 higher than what it is here in England.

  • That would mean that you'd have an increase in health spending over the lifetime of the next parliament in the UK of about 35 billion.

  • We get an extra four billion in Scotland.

  • But the challenge off delivering for public service is I have to tell you it's going to get enough a lot harder if Brexit happens, because the economy is going to be weaker, the best, even with God.

  • It wasn't stare in the unit and let me just let me just take you back because you're saying it was If if Brexit does go through next year, probably depending on who wins the election, you then have a big decision to make.

  • Are you seriously suggesting is that Nicholas certain is also talked about having a second independence referendum if she can next year.

  • Are you suggesting that you would count in a situation where Scotland would come out of the U because of the actions arrested and come out of the UK in the same year?

  • Well, we face a very real threat.

  • But would you would you?

  • D'oh!

  • Realistically, Let me leave The two largest trading blocks in the sale of the European Union is eight times larger than the UK when it comes to trade.

  • But you'd be out of the year and you come out the way as well.

  • No, we wouldn't because this thing stand at the moment.

  • If Boris Johnson wins and if we leave the European Union at the end of January, then we're in transition to least the end of this year.

  • So, in effect, wouldn't the single market within a customs union?

  • The people in Scotland were given the opportunity to vote for the SNP in 2016 in the Scottish elections, and we had a manifesto commitment that if we won that election, when the change of circumstances that we demanded the right to have a referendum that is democracy on, I'd simply say to whether it's Boris Johnson of Jeremy Corbyn that anyone else that you've got to respect the votes, that the SNP have gained the mandate of gin.

  • And if the people in Scotland next week send the majority of SNP MPs back to Westminster on the basis of Scotland's right to choose it will it will behold anyone that stops Scotland exercising its right and yet independent.

  • Let's get back to the question.

  • Let's get back to question a minute with Josh's question, which is what?

  • The point of getting Brexit done if it won't solve any of the problems normal British people care about or Josh is right.

  • The real problem is Brexit won't solve any of the problems.

  • All the economic forecasters show that growth will be lower.

  • That means tax revenues that fund our public service, our health, our schools, our police will be lower.

  • That's not helping people.

  • Since the referendum, 5000 nurses have left you.

  • Nurses have left the country when we have a staff shortage in our n hs.

  • How's that gonna help?

  • The things that people care about are talking about, but let me finish climate change.

  • It's an international issue.

  • If you're not the international table work with other countries.

  • You're not likely to solve climate change.

  • And I remember three years ago there was a guy called President Trump.

  • He got elected saying, Build the wall, You know he's not built the wall.

  • Three years later, they've just started Ah, little section of a 2000 mile walk on this.

  • Exactly what Boris Johnson, his friend, is saying.

  • Get Brexit done.

  • He won't get it done for three years or Maur.

  • There's no way he could get it done.

  • I was a trade minister being involved in trade negotiations at the W T O at the U with countries outside the you will never get a trade deal done in 12 months, and that means December next year will be either faced with no deal, which will mean a lot of income, shortages of food and so on.

  • Or he'll have Thio.

  • It is true that is what the evidence shows said.

  • You know, that's just pure scare monger.

  • It is not garbage where the British people totally let's lead the British people.

  • You'd be misleading them for years.

  • Everybody wave lost 5000 nurses tie and a chest since the referendum explained that it since the referendum.

  • We employ over a 1,000,000 people more than we did at the referendum.

  • And yet you were part of project feel that said that half a 1,000,000 jobs would go.

  • The banks would go.

  • The tech firms would please.

  • Do you want to dress the original question?

  • Yes.

  • Go on, house.

  • Brett's gonna help us.

  • But the great thing a CZ change is a great thing, Josh.

  • About Brexit helping is is that it is It is the foundation of our democracy.

  • You know, the people were told the people were told that, you know, they would have The government would carry out the will of the people here off for that job.

  • We have point 1,000,000 people more guys, hang on a second.

  • Wait a minute.

  • I don't want you want the job.

  • This is okay.

  • How do you think it's going so far?

  • Do we really want to hear you shouting over each other?

  • I, for one, do not.

  • So let's just have a civilized conversation.

  • There's only a week to go.

  • But really, is this any way to go on?

  • Richard?

  • Do you want to ask the question?

  • I'm trying to, but I got interrupted.

  • Josh.

  • The point is, trust in democracy is seriously damaged because three and 1/2 years later, we haven't yet left knocking on doors in the constituency that I'm standing.

  • I'm constantly told by people we are furious with frustrated, were annoyed on.

  • We're either gonna you know, we're gonna vote for a different party.

  • Hopefully the Brexit party or tragically, they're not gonna vote a tall because they've lost all trust in all politicians.

  • And that is a disaster for trusting the moxie.

  • Once we've left, then actually the government of the day can get on with organizing on doing and running the country much more efficiently.

  • That's the key.

  • Okay?

  • And get a little bit more for the orders for our move on.

  • So yes, the woman here in the front Well, personally, I feel democracies fails May because back three years ago I did a ballot paper and it said remain on leave.

  • And I was promised that if I what Matt Rose Waas, I would get that Joe's on now.

  • Haven't and it just feels like it's sure whatever, like we don't like the answer.

  • So let's have best or two best out of three I want Theo.

  • The people have spoken ones.

  • So do what the people have asked.

  • Okay.

  • What about the man behind you, then?

  • Yes, that's it.

  • Yeah.

  • Let's talk about the original question.

  • What you said it has nothing to do about any of it whatsoever is not gonna help in any way.

  • But that's got nothing to do with it whatsoever.

  • And the problems have nothing to do with Brexit.

  • The problems have been inflicted by the Tories for the last 10 years.

  • Theo, Using Brexit is a tall to say that every everybody that's against it is a scared girl.

  • You've traveled with absolute disregard for a long time.

  • And it's got nothing to do with Brexit.

  • One more than the man in the police.

  • You've heard it in this room many times from people of all political persuasions.

  • We told you three years ago we wanted to leave.

  • Now please get on with it.

What is the point of getting Brexit done as is become what this election is about?

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完成Brexit "的意義何在?| 問題時間 - BBC (What's the point of 'getting Brexit done'?' | Question Time - BBC)

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