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  • >> Sreenivasan: NEWSHOUR'S

  • SERIES, "CHINA: POWER AND

  • PROSPERITY," CONTINUES TONIGHT

  • WITH ONE OF THE MOST CRITICAL

  • ISSUES RANKLING U.S./CHINA

  • RELATIONS: TRADE.

  • THE TWO NATIONS' DISPUTE HAS

  • LARGELY PLAYED OUT AS A TARIFF

  • WAR, BUT THERE ARE UNDERLYING

  • ISSUES AND ARGUMENTS ON BOTH

  • SIDES.

  • SO, IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE

  • PULITZER CENTER, WE TELL THIS

  • STORY WITH TWO CORRESPONDENTS,

  • NICK SCHIFRIN AND KATRINA YU.

  • THEY BEGIN IN CHINA'S SILICON

  • VALLEY, SHENZHEN.

  • >> Yu: IN SHENZHEN'S

  • SEG-E-MARKET, YOU CAN BUY

  • ANYTHING ELECTRONIC.

  • THERE ARE TEN FLOORS OF CIRCUIT

  • BOARDS, BATTERY-POWERED

  • CHILDREN'S TOYS, DIGITAL

  • WATCHES, WIRELESS HEADPHONES,

  • EVEN BITCOIN-MINING COMPUTERS.

  • >> Schifrin: AND ALL OF THIS IS

  • SOLD ALL OVER THE WORLD BECAUSE

  • INTERNATIONAL COMPANIES HAVE

  • LONG TAPPED INTO CHINA'S MASSIVE

  • MARKET AND HUGE SUPPLY OF

  • RELIABLE LABOR.

  • >> Yu: IF YOU HAVE AN ELECTRONIC

  • PRODUCT THAT'S LABELED "MADE IN

  • CHINA," THE CHANCES ARE ITS

  • PARTS COME FROM HERE AND END UP

  • ALL OVER THE WORLD, INCLUDING

  • THE U.S.

  • >> Schifrin: FOR DECADES, THE

  • WORLD'S TWO LARGEST ECONOMIES,

  • THE U.S. AND CHINA, HAVE BEEN

  • INTEGRATED.

  • BUT NOW, THE TRUMP

  • ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO

  • CHANGE THAT, AND THE TRADE WAR

  • IS NOT ONLY GOING TO AFFECT

  • AMERICAN BUSINESSES AND

  • CONSUMERS.

  • >> Yu: BUT ALSO BUSINESSES AND

  • CONSUMERS HERE IN CHINA.

  • SEG-E-MARKET HAS BEEN CALLED THE

  • BAROMETER OF CHINA'S ELECTRONICS

  • INDUSTRY.

  • COMPONENTS AND FINISHED PRODUCTS

  • ARE SOURCED FROM SUPER-FACTORIES

  • ALL OVER SHENZHEN.

  • MORE THAN 60,000 BUSINESSES HAVE

  • SET UP SHOP HERE.

  • WHILE THEY MAY SELL EVERYWHERE,

  • THIS YEAR, ALL EYES ARE ON THE

  • U.S.

  • >> ( translated ): I HOPE THE

  • TRADE WAR DOESN'T CONTINUE TO

  • GET WORSE.

  • LET'S KEEP A PEACEFUL

  • RELATIONSHIP.

  • DON'T RAISE TARIFFS BECAUSE NO

  • ONE WINS.

  • >> Yu: ALL THE VENDORS THAT WE

  • SPOKE TO BLAME PRESIDENT TRUMP

  • FOR THE TRADE WAR, AND SOME SAY

  • TRUMP FEELS THREATENED BY

  • CHINA'S SUCCESS...

  • >> ( translated ): CHINA'S

  • ELECTRONICS INDUSTRY IS PRETTY

  • GOOD.

  • NOW, TRUMP IS JUST TRYING TO

  • SUPPRESS CHINA'S DEVELOPMENT.

  • >> Yu: ...THOUGH SOME FREELY

  • ADMIT TO SELLING COPIES OF U.S.

  • PRODUCTS.

  • I ASK HER IF THIS IS A GO-PRO.

  • >> ( translated ): NO, IT'S

  • NOT A GO-PRO.

  • GO-PRO IS MADE ABROAD, AND IT'S

  • VERY EXPENSIVE.

  • BUT THIS ONE IS CHEAP, AND IT'S

  • SIMILAR.

  • >> Yu: HOW SIMILAR, NICK?

  • >> Schifrin: WELL, VERY SIMILAR.

  • THE CHINESE SPORTSCAM LOOKS

  • EXACTLY LIKE THE AMERICAN

  • GO-PRO.

  • AT THIS CHINESE NEW BARLUN

  • STORE, TAKE A LOOK AT THE WORDS.

  • THE SNEAKERS AND THE WRITING

  • LOOK AN AWFUL LOT LIKE AMERICAN

  • NEW BALANCE.

  • THAT'S JUST TWO EXAMPLES OF

  • CHINESE COPYCATTING THAT THE

  • U.S. SAYS TURNED INTO THEFT ON

  • AN INDUSTRIALIZED SCALE.

  • THE U.S. HAS INDICTED HACKERS

  • CONNECTED TO THE CHINESE

  • MILITARY FOR STEALING SPECS OF

  • AN AMERICAN POWER PLANT SIMILAR

  • TO THIS MODEL, AND NAVIGATION

  • SATELLITE TECHNOLOGY.

  • AND THE U.S. SAYS THE MOST

  • EXPENSIVE WEAPONS SYSTEM EVER,

  • THE AMERICAN F-35, LOOKS JUST

  • LIKE THE CHINESE J-31 BECAUSE

  • CHINESE HACKERS STOLE THE

  • DESIGNS.

  • THE U.S. SAYS, IN JUST A FEW

  • DECADES, THEFT HELPED CHINA MAKE

  • ITS MILITARY WORLD-CLASS; AND

  • ITS COMPANIES, TECHNOLOGY

  • LEADERS.

  • >> THAT KIND OF TECHNOLOGICAL

  • ADVANCEMENT DOESN'T HAPPEN

  • ORGANICALLY.

  • >> Schifrin: JAKE PARKER HAS

  • LIVED IN BEIJING FOR A DECADE.

  • HE'S THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE

  • U.S./CHINA BUSINESS COUNCIL,

  • WHICH ADVOCATES FOR AMERICAN

  • BUSINESSES IN CHINA.

  • >> CHINA'S SYSTEM IS SET UP IN

  • SUCH A WAY THAT THE STATE HAS

  • ACCESS TO INFORMATION THAT

  • COMPANIES WOULD CONSIDER TO BE

  • TRADE SECRETS.

  • THE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION THAT'S

  • TRANSFERRED TO THE CHINESE

  • GOVERNMENT GOES FAR BEYOND WHAT

  • WOULD BE EXPECTED IN ANOTHER

  • MARKET.

  • >> Schifrin: AS BUSINESSMAN...

  • >> YOU HANDLE IT, THEN.

  • >> Schifrin: ...AND

  • PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE, DONALD

  • TRUMP HAS ACCUSED CHINA OF

  • PURSUING DECADES OF PREDATORY

  • TRADE PRACTICES.

  • >> WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO ALLOW

  • CHINA TO RAPE OUR COUNTRY, AND

  • THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

  • IT'S THE GREATEST THEFT IN THE

  • HISTORY OF THE WORLD.

  • WHEN YOU SEE CHINA, THESE ARE

  • FIERCE PEOPLE IN TERMS OF

  • NEGOTIATION.

  • THEY WANT TO TAKE YOUR THROAT

  • OUT.

  • THEY WANT TO CUT YOU APART.

  • >> Schifrin: THE TRUMP

  • ADMINISTRATION HAS INCREASED

  • U.S. DEMANDS THAT CHINA STOP

  • INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY THEFT AND

  • WHAT THE U.S. CALLS OTHER UNFAIR

  • TRADE PRACTICES.

  • THE ADMINISTRATION HAS RELEASED

  • TWO MAJOR INVESTIGATIONS INTO

  • CHINESE CORPORATE THEFT AND

  • LABELED CHINESE COMPUTER,

  • TELECOM, AND TECHNOLOGY

  • COMPANIES RISKS TO AMERICAN

  • NATIONAL SECURITY.

  • >> PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS RAISED

  • ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN AN

  • IRRITANT IN THE RELATIONSHIP FOR

  • A VERY, VERY LONG TIME...

  • >> YOU KNOW, WE'RE THE PIGGY

  • BANK THAT EVERYBODY STEALS FROM,

  • INCLUDING CHINA.

  • >> ...THAT HAVE NOT BEEN

  • ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED BY THE

  • CHINESE SIDE.

  • AND FRANKLY, THOSE ISSUES GO TO

  • THE CORE OF HOW CHINA'S ECONOMIC

  • SYSTEM OPERATES, ITS STATE-OWNED

  • ENTERPRISE REFORM, ITS

  • INDUSTRIAL POLICY, ITS

  • SUBSIDIES, ITS OVERCAPACITY.

  • THESE ARE NOT GOING TO BE EASY

  • SOLUTIONS THAT CHINA'S GOING TO

  • BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT

  • IMMEDIATELY.

  • >> Yu: THAT'S BECAUSE THOSE

  • PROTECTIONIST MEASURES AND

  • STATE-SPONSORED BUSINESS

  • DEVELOPMENT HAVE FUELED CHINA'S

  • RAPID ECONOMIC RISE.

  • NOWHERE IS THAT MORE OBVIOUS

  • THAN CHINA'S ARTIFICIAL

  • INTELLIGENCE, OR A.I., INDUSTRY.

  • IN CHINA'S NORTHEASTERN LIAONING

  • PROVINCE, EX-ROBOT IS WORKING ON

  • HUMAN-LIKE A.I. ROBOTS.

  • CHINA WANTS TO BE THE GLOBAL

  • CENTER FOR A.I. BY 2030, AND

  • SOME IN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION

  • BELIEVE CHINA IS FAST CLOSING

  • THE GAP ON THE U.S.' DOMINANCE

  • OF A.I.

  • THEY CAN MIMIC FACIAL

  • EXPRESSIONS, RESPOND TO

  • QUESTIONS...

  • >> ( SPEAKING IN CHINESE )

  • >> ( SPEAKING IN CHINESE )

  • >> ( SPEAKING IN CHINESE )

  • >> Yu: ...AND EVEN HOST A TV

  • SHOW.

  • >> ( SPEAKING IN CHINESE )

  • >> Yu: EX-ROBOT PRESIDENT YANG

  • DONGYUE SAYS HIS COMPANY WILL BE

  • ONE OF THE FIRST IN THE WORLD

  • WHOSE ROBOTS CAN REPLACE SERVICE

  • EMPLOYEES.

  • >> ( translated ): THEIR MAIN

  • FUNCTION IS TO COMMUNICATE WITH

  • PEOPLE, SO A GOOD APPEARANCE IS

  • A MUST.

  • IF THE ROBOT IS VERY GOOD-

  • LOOKING, LIKE A PRETTY LADY OR A

  • HANDSOME MAN, PEOPLE WILL FEEL

  • MORE PLEASANT WHEN TALKING WITH

  • THEM.

  • >> Yu: BEIJING HAS BEEN SO

  • DETERMINED TO CATCH UP AND

  • SURPASS THE U.S. IN A.I.

  • TECHNOLOGY, IT'S COMMITTED

  • $150 BILLION TO ITS DEVELOPMENT.

  • EX-ROBOT ACKNOWLEDGES THAT IT

  • RECEIVES GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIES

  • BUT REFUSES TO DISCLOSE HOW

  • MUCH.

  • MEANWHILE, CHINA ACCUSES THE

  • U.S. OF INVESTING BILLIONS ON

  • ITS OWN A.I. TECHNOLOGY, LIKE

  • THIS ROBOTIC PACK MULE THAT'S

  • BEING FUNDED BY PENTAGON

  • RESEARCH.

  • >> Schifrin: BUT KATRINA, THE

  • U.S. DENIES THAT PENTAGON

  • SPENDING IS A SUBSIDY AND

  • COMPLAINS CHINA'S SUBSIDIES ARE

  • INTO PRIVATE COMPANIES AND

  • CONCEALED IN EVERY INDUSTRY,

  • TILTING THE GLOBAL PLAYING FIELD

  • IN CHINA'S FAVOR AND VIOLATING

  • INTERNATIONAL TRADE RULES.

  • >> THE CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY

  • HAS USED AN ARSENAL OF POLICIES

  • INCONSISTENT WITH FREE AND FAIR

  • TRADE.

  • THESE POLICIES HAVE BUILT

  • BEIJING'S MANUFACTURING BASE AT

  • THE EXPENSE OF ITS COMPETITORS,

  • ESPECIALLY THE UNITED STATES OF

  • AMERICA.

  • >> Yu: CHINA HAS BUILT ITS OWN

  • MANUFACTURING BASE THAT PROVIDES

  • CHEAP AND EFFICIENT LABOR, AND

  • MANY U.S. BUSINESSES USE IT TO

  • MAXIMIZE PROFITS.

  • SHANGHAI GENERAL SPORTS IS ONE

  • OF THE BIGGEST BICYCLE

  • MANUFACTURERS IN CHINA.

  • THE COMPANY PRODUCES MORE THAN

  • THREE MILLION BIKES EVERY YEAR.

  • C.E.O. LEI GE ATTRIBUTES THE

  • COMPANY'S SUCCESS TO BUILDING

  • CLOSE RELATIONSHIPS WITH HIS

  • PARTNERS ABROAD, PARTICULARLY IN

  • THE U.S.

  • >> WE WORK WITH OUR PARTNERS IN

  • THE STATES AS A FAMILY.

  • THAT'S WHY WE CAN BECOME SO

  • CLOSE.

  • >> Yu: THAT SUPPLY CHAIN

  • INTEGRATION HAS BUILT UP OVER 30

  • YEARS, AND IT MEANS THE TRADE

  • WAR HAS HIT SHANGHAI GENERAL

  • SPORTS AND MANY COMPANIES IN

  • CHINA THAT SELL TO THE U.S.

  • LEI HAS HAD TO LET GO ABOUT 30%

  • OF HIS STAFF.

  • IT DOESN'T HELP THAT CHINA'S

  • ECONOMIC GROWTH HAS SLUMPED TO

  • ITS LOWEST LEVEL IN NEARLY THREE

  • DECADES.

  • >> OH, WE HATE THIS.

  • IT'S JUST MORE DIFFICULT THAN

  • EVER.

  • OF COURSE, WE FEEL DISAPPOINTED,

  • AND WE FEEL UPSET, BUT THERE'S

  • NOTHING WE CAN DO.

  • >> Yu: THIS FACTORY PRODUCES UP

  • TO 13,000 BICYCLES EVERYDAY.

  • THEY'RE SENT TO COUNTRIES SUCH

  • AS AUSTRALIA, CANADA, AND JAPAN.

  • BUT 80% OF THEM ARE MADE FOR THE

  • UNITED STATES.

  • >> Schifrin: AND ARRIVE IN THIS

  • SOUTH CAROLINA FACTORY.

  • >> WE'RE PRODUCING THIS YEAR

  • ABOUT 300,000 BICYCLES.

  • >> Schifrin: ARNOLD KAMLER IS

  • ONE OF THE PRIMARY BUYERS OF

  • SHANGHAI GENERAL SPORTS' PARTS.

  • HE'S THE CHAIRMAN AND C.E.O. OF

  • KENT BIKES, ONE OF THE LARGEST

  • BIKE WHOLESALERS IN THE U.S.

  • ON EVERY BIKE FRAME IMPORTED

  • FROM CHINA, KENT HAS TO PAY A

  • 36% TARIFF TO U.S. CUSTOMS.

  • ON EVERY TIRE, IT'S 30%.

  • WHEN YOU PAY THAT AMOUNT TO U.S.

  • CUSTOMS, DO YOU THEREFORE

  • INCREASE YOUR PRICES TO YOUR

  • CLIENTS?

  • >> OH, OF COURSE.

  • THE BICYCLE BUSINESS IS A VERY

  • HIGH-VOLUME BUT-- UNFORTUNATELY

  • FOR ME-- A VERY LOW PROFIT-

  • MARGIN BUSINESS.

  • AND SO, WHEN WE HAVE AN INCREASE

  • OF THAT SIZE, WE HAVE NO CHOICE

  • BUT... BUT TO RAISE PRICES.

  • >> Schifrin: AND THOSE HIGHER

  • PRICES HAVE LED TO A 20% DROP IN

  • SALES SINCE THE TRADE WAR BEGAN.

  • AND THAT'S MEANT KAMLER'S HAD TO

  • LAY OFF A QUARTER OF HIS

  • EMPLOYEES.

  • >> THESE TARIFFS ARE HURTING US

  • VERY BADLY, BUT WE'RE A SMART

  • COMPANY.

  • AND SO, WE'LL OVERCOME THIS

  • CHALLENGE BY SOURCING ELSEWHERE

  • OVER TIME.

  • >> Yu: AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S

  • HAPPENING.

  • GENERAL SPORTS WILL TURN THIS

  • FIELD IN CAMBODIA INTO A

  • 500,000-SQUARE FOOT FACTORY.

  • LEI SAYS IT'S AN INVESTMENT HE

  • WISHES HE DIDN'T HAVE TO MAKE

  • BECAUSE HE FEARS LABOR COSTS

  • WILL RISE.

  • >> I PREFER STAYING IN CHINA.

  • I SPEAK THE SAME LANGUAGE, AND

  • IT'S EASIER TO... TO FIND

  • WORKERS.

  • >> Schifrin: IT MAY NOT BE GOOD

  • FOR BUSINESSES, BUT DRIVING

  • COMPANIES OUT OF CHINA IS MUSIC

  • TO MANY IN THE TRUMP

  • ADMINISTRATIONS' EARS.

  • SOME SENIOR ADVISORS WANT TO

  • CONTINUE ECONOMIC INTEGRATION

  • WITH CHINA, BUT OTHERS SEE CHINA

  • AS A NATIONAL SECURITY THREAT

  • AND WANT TO SEPARATE THE TWO

  • ECONOMIES.

  • PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS VACILLATED

  • BETWEEN THE CAMPS.

  • IN LATE AUGUST, HE TWEETED:

  • "OUR GREAT AMERICAN COMPANIES

  • ARE HEREBY ORDERED TO

  • IMMEDIATELY START LOOKING FOR AN

  • ALTERNATIVE TO CHINA."

  • BUT AT THE G7 IN FRANCE JUST

  • THREE DAYS LATER, HE SAID

  • AMERICAN COMPANIES COULD STILL

  • THRIVE IN CHINA.

  • >> IF WE MAKE A DEAL, I'D LIKE

  • TO SEE THEM STAY THERE AND DO A

  • GREAT JOB.

  • >> Yu: ON CHINESE MEDIA,

  • COMMENTATORS ARGUE PRESIDENT

  • TRUMP'S FLIP-FLOPS SHOW HE'S

  • UNRELIABLE.

  • >> YOU CANNOT BE IN A SITUATION

  • WHERE I DON'T... I DON'T BELIEVE

  • WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND I DON'T

  • BELIEVE YOU'LL CARRY OUT EVEN IF

  • YOU DO.

  • HOW CAN I HAVE A NEGOTIATION

  • WITH YOU?

  • >> Yu: CHINA HAS TAKEN STEPS TO

  • ENSURE IT'S LESS VULNERABLE TO

  • TRUMP'S TRADE WAR SHOTS, FROM

  • BOOSTING DOMESTIC SUPPLIES OF

  • SOYBEANS, CORN AND COTTON, TO

  • EXPANDING EXPORT MARKETS BEYOND

  • THE U.S. TO AFRICA AND SOUTH

  • AMERICA.

  • WITH NO NEED FOR DEMOCRATIC

  • ELECTIONS AND WHAT IT CALLS A

  • HIGHER ECONOMIC "PAIN

  • THRESHOLD," CHINESE TV SAYS

  • CHINA CAN OUTLAST TRUMP.

  • >> ( translated ): ANYONE WHO

  • MISJUDGES CHINA WILL SURELY PAY

  • THE PRICE OF THE CHINESE

  • PEOPLE'S STEEL WILL.

  • >> Schifrin: BUT PRESIDENT TRUMP

  • HAS SAID HE CAN OUTLAST CHINA

  • AND VOWS TO HOLD HIS GROUND,

  • EVEN IF THAT HARMS THE U.S.

  • ECONOMY SHORT-TERM.

  • >> I AM DOING THIS, WHETHER IT'S

  • GOOD OR BAD, FOR YOUR... YOUR

  • STATEMENT ABOUT, "OH, WILL WE

  • FALL INTO A RECESSION FOR TWO

  • MONTHS," OKAY?

  • THE FACT IS, SOMEBODY HAD TO

  • TAKE CHINA ON.

  • MY LIFE WOULD BE A LOT EASIER IF

  • I DIDN'T TAKE CHINA ON.

  • BUT I LIKE DOING IT BECAUSE I

  • HAVE TO DO IT.

  • >> Schifrin: WHICH MEANS

  • U.S./CHINA COOPERATION IS

  • DECREASING AND CONFRONTATION IS

  • INCREASING.

  • >> Yu: AND THE TRADE WAR

  • CONTINUES AS TWO ECONOMIES THAT

  • HAVE BEEN INTEGRATED FOR DECADES

  • ARE ALREADY DRIFTING APART.

  • FOR THE PBS NEWSHOUR, I'M

  • KATRINA YU.

  • >> Schifrin: AND I'M NICK

  • SCHIFRIN.

>> Sreenivasan: NEWSHOUR'S

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