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  • Hey, it's Marie Forleo and you are watching MarieTV, the place to be to create a business

  • and life you love.

  • Now, if you're tired of feeling over stressed and over stretched and over committed but

  • you don't know a way out, today's episode is for you.

  • Kate Northrup is an entrepreneur, best selling author, and mom, who's built a digital empire

  • that reached hundreds of thousands.

  • She teaches data and soul-driven practices that help you save time, make more money,

  • and experience less stress.

  • Kate's work has been featured by the Today Show, Yahoo Finance, Women's Health, Glamour,

  • Wanderlust, and more.

  • Kate runs a membership community called, Origin Collective.

  • Her second book, Do Less: A Revolutionary Approach to Time and Energy Management for

  • Busy Moms, is available now.

  • Hi Kate.

  • Hello.

  • Oh, it's so good to see you.

  • It's so good to see you too.

  • Thanks for coming back on.

  • Thanks for having me.

  • The last time you were here, we had you on for B-School alum and you were pregnant with

  • baby number two.

  • So pregnant.

  • I was past the time you were supposed to fly.

  • Super preggos and you had beautiful Ruby and now you have a new baby, Do Less, which is

  • amazing.

  • I have so many things underlined.

  • You did a brilliant job with this book.

  • We're going to talk about the title in a minute.

  • We can go into all of it, actually.

  • Why this book and why now?

  • For me in my own life, I wrote this book because I struggled so much with hyper productivity

  • and an obsession with getting things done and then I had two children and well, the

  • one kid before I wrote the book but anyway, and I was shocked by the amount of pressure

  • that my identity had wrapped up in being productive and being busy and I began to look at that

  • because...

  • And we'll talk about this later maybe but

  • During that pregnancy, I cut my work hours about in half and also during the first year

  • of motherhood, way even less than that and we had a sick baby, I had postpartum insomnia

  • and anxiety.

  • I mean it was a very messy year and yet we have the same results in our business and

  • so I thought, well if I could get the same results working half this amount, what was

  • I doing my entire adult life being obsessed with the 40 hour or 50 hour workweek, which

  • by the way, is completely this arbitrary number that was set up during the industrial revolution

  • based on how machinery works and it's not evidence-based at all and of course we'll

  • talk about the evidence that shows the alternative and I think it's so important for women, especially

  • with rises in adrenal fatigue, heart disease, all of the anxiety.

  • It's related to stress and stress is obviously related to our obsession with doing but I

  • am not about sacrificing results.

  • It's not about lying on the beach and eating bonbons either, unless you want to.

  • Well I love that.

  • No, no.

  • I'm actually not about that.

  • I don't think our audience is either and I will say, even when I...

  • First of all, I've known you for years.

  • We've been friends for a really long time.

  • I love you, I love your work, and even when I saw the title, I could feel this knee jerk...

  • Wait, what?

  • Do less?

  • What are you talking about, Kate?

  • Are you going to make me a slothen, you know what I mean?

  • It was this whole thing happening in my head.

  • The title itself can be triggering, particularly for ambitious, driven women.

  • Speak a little bit into that and also for people who might think like, oh, easy for

  • you to say with all of your...

  • Is this about getting a nanny and a housekeeper and blah, blah, blah.

  • Let us know.

  • Yeah.

  • Early in the book promotion process I was on a podcast and she started off the podcast

  • saying, well, I was very surprised to say that I really loved your book and I was like,

  • okay.

  • And she said, because I assumed, by the title, I was very triggered by the title, and I assumed

  • that what you were going to be talking about was exactly that, hiring a nanny, getting

  • a house cleaner, dah, dah, dah.

  • And she said, I was raised by a single mom who worked three jobs and I was pleasantly

  • surprised and thrilled to see that there's nothing you wrote about in this book that

  • my mother could not have done.

  • And I wrote it with that in mind because I want people to actually be able to do this

  • and get really good results, not to diminish their results.

  • Our culture has raised us to believe that the more we do, the more valuable we are,

  • and I am still a product of that culture.

  • I still want to get great results and I know your listeners do, I know most of the world

  • does.

  • And so that piece about, it's not about doing...

  • A lot of people hear do less and they automatically think, do nothing, and it's like, nope.

  • Just what I mean is, do less of the things that don't matter, do less of the things that

  • drain you, do less of the things that don't get you results, so you can do more of the

  • things that energize you, that light you up, that get you amazing results.

  • That's what it means.

  • Yeah and it's about meaning too.

  • I actually highlighted this from the book.

  • You wrote, the whole purpose of doing less, is to have the experience of having more,

  • not more stuff, but more meaning in our lives and I thought that really beautifully articulated

  • what so many of us are craving.

  • You and I obviously both remember a time when we were running our businesses and social

  • media didn't exist.

  • We also remember a time...

  • I know, I miss those days.

  • Yeah, in our lives, honestly, when cellphones didn't exist.

  • I remember a time when the Internet didn't exist and for some of our viewers, that's

  • not their reality and for many of them, they also...

  • They're like, hey, I remember further back because we have such a nice diverse age range

  • that watches the show and I do want to mention this for anyone who this is their first time

  • being introduced to you and your work, this has been a real evolution for you.

  • I remember when we first met.

  • I mean you and I go so far back but you told this story, which was so great, about a person

  • that you were dating in your early 20s and it was a time when you were really spinning

  • all of those plates and you were very committed to orchestrating every little bit of your

  • life and I love it, it was in your relationship and you told him that you really wanted him

  • to take more of the reigns in your relationship.

  • What was his response?

  • He replied, “I would love to, if you would be willing to put them down.”

  • It was like, oh okay, because there is this idea.

  • I think it affects women more, I will say, that if we are not doing it, it's not going

  • to happen and we kind of white knuckle our lives like, oh my God, if I'm not doing all

  • the things, then everything will fall apart and we just...

  • My invitation like this ex boyfriend's invitation to me was, to let go of the reigns and just

  • see what might happen.

  • Let's see if somebody else might pick them up.

  • Yeah, no.

  • I mean I've been guilty of that.

  • I've talked about this a lot.

  • I've become more aware of it in probably this time in my life than say earlier but I was

  • like, if I don't do everything in my career, if I don't do everything as it relates to

  • my relationship, if I'm not the one orchestrating my family, everything, it's all just going

  • to fall to pieces and I was doing that and I was diminishing everybody around me.

  • See?

  • That's the thing, it's so disempowering and I see it with parents a lot and I do this

  • myself, so I'm not pointing fingers and I see it in relationship a lot, where we have

  • this overinflated sense of self importance.

  • In a way, it's completely egotistical to think that if I don't do it, no one else will or

  • won't do it as well as I could.

  • They don't have it all together.

  • They're not going to get it right.

  • Yeah and so it squelches our children's growth.

  • It totally disempowers the people around us, whether you have a team, in your partnership,

  • your parents, it's awful.

  • It kills polarity in relationships.

  • If you are wanting to have that sexy time happen and that chemistry and that spark and

  • you are just cutting your partner off, not a great way to have that love stay alive.

  • Yeah like, I don't believe in your ability to do normal adult activities.

  • That's not sexy.

  • Not sexy.

  • I love also how the book is structured.

  • In the first part, you are really making the case, the philosophy of do less, have more,

  • and in the second part of the book, there's these 14 bite sized experiments that any woman,

  • or man, could test for herself.

  • Let's start with the data piece.

  • The global research is really leaning us in this direction of doing less.

  • Two things that I highlighted, one, in some research shared by Harvard Business Review

  • that you quote, it was stated that very few people, including high performing athletes,

  • novelists, and musicians, have an ability to be in a high state of concentration for

  • more than four to five hours a day.

  • I find that to be true for myself.

  • I can hit it hard and then I got to take a break or do something else for a little bit

  • because just grinding doesn't really work and then this was cool.

  • In Sweden, they're moving to a standard six hour workday and one company found that, news

  • flash, if you stay off social media and minimize distractions during your work day, less hours

  • actually doesn't diminish productivity.

  • I was like, yeah.

  • Yeah because I mean if...

  • On average, we get interrupted every 11 minutes and it takes us 25 minutes to get refocused

  • on what we were doing and so if you do the math, you realize you're spending zero minutes

  • focused on what you were doing, on average, and our brain, if we don't give ourselves