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  • - Gentlemen, welcome to MTV.

  • Good to see you guys.

  • - Thank you. - What's up man?

  • - Chadwick, Michael, this is a hell of a movie.

  • Black Panther is the movie, as if people didn't know.

  • And not only is it a great movie,

  • it's having a moment.

  • It really is.

  • This feels like a cultural moment.

  • - Yeah you could say that again.

  • - [Josh] Right?

  • (laughing)

  • - What's it like to just be in the middle of

  • not only just all this love,

  • but you know,

  • the cover of Time magazine,

  • social media exploding every day,

  • there really is a sense out there

  • that this movie is gonna change things

  • in a way that most movies can't and don't nowadays.

  • - It's taken on a life of its own.

  • You know like, sometimes,

  • like even just looking at what people create,

  • from the movie, the inspirations from the movie,

  • their own fan art, posters.

  • You know, recreating our posters,

  • like it's little kids recreating our posters.

  • - The GoFundMes and stuff.

  • - Yeah the GoFundmes.

  • It's amazing to watch it

  • the movie-ment of it

  • is very very interesting.

  • I've never seen anything like it before in my life.

  • - So we're just kinda stepping back

  • and just watching it just evolve and continue to grow

  • as we get closer to the release date.

  • - Yeah because I mean,

  • you guys obviously have been part of very

  • successful films before,

  • but this has to feel different.

  • Safe to say?

  • - Yeah, it's just massive.

  • It's on a whole other level.

  • Obviously when you deal with Marvel

  • and the reach of that film globally,

  • and how much it means to so many different people,

  • 18 movies and this being the 19th one,

  • it definitely raises the bar

  • as far as other films that we've done so far.

  • As far as the scale is concerned.

  • - A lot of this begins and ends with

  • a filmmaker you know very well,

  • and obviously by now you know very well,

  • Ryan Coogler.

  • And I'm curious, like obviously a lot of discussion

  • probably before the making of the film

  • and during the making of the film

  • and now even into post, now,

  • about what you were trying to accomplish.

  • Was there discussion about like,

  • yes we want to make an entertaining film,

  • but this can be something more.

  • - Oh yeah. - This can mean something

  • to young black men and women out there.

  • - Yeah, yeah yeah.

  • The first conversation we had

  • I snuck into

  • the press junket that they were doing for Creed,

  • because nobody knew that he was considering

  • doing Panther at that time.

  • And we just tried to see if we

  • vibed, if we had the same idea about

  • what the Black Panther movie should be.

  • And that's pretty much all we talked about.

  • That this kind of potential

  • to actually

  • reach people in a different way.

  • And Ryan was very very particular about

  • the fact that he wanted to cast him,

  • and he wanted to see how would that combination work.

  • And the combination of us working together

  • is sort of what allows the debate and conflict of this movie

  • to unfold. - Yeah.

  • - Which we won't say too much about

  • - Yeah. - on here right now.

  • - No spoilers.

  • - But that was the conversation,

  • this movie is gonna be

  • a super hero movie,

  • it's gonna be about something,

  • because the Black Panther comic book

  • already is about something.

  • - Right. - But we have the opportunity

  • to put a particular stamp on it

  • - Yeah.

  • - If this conflict is able to happen.

  • - Yeah, I mean pretty much the same thing.

  • Kinda like when me and him jumped on the phone,

  • and you know but so many words of

  • if we do this thing right, it could be something

  • that could impact generations to come

  • and that's kinda the approach that we took on it.

  • And then when we actually start to screen it,

  • and people started giving feedback,

  • and their reactions to it,

  • it really starts to hit us that this is something

  • that could make a real cultural impact.

  • - Can we talk a little bit about,

  • at least hint a little bit about this relationship here?

  • Because the conflict between T'Challa and Killmonger

  • is, it's really a philosophical one, right?

  • Like they're coming from two different worlds.

  • We have Wakanda that's this kind of

  • secluded African nation that really hasn't been affected

  • by imperialism and slavery and all these kind of things

  • that have affected every other country on the planet.

  • And then we have Killmonger, that's,

  • it's from our world.

  • Like from Oakland, literally.

  • I don't think that's ruining too much, hopefully, right?

  • But talk to me a little bit. - No spoilers, man.

  • No spoilers.

  • (laughing)

  • - Nah you're good, you do your job.

  • - Here's my question, like what is the philosophical

  • debate between those two, without spoiling too much?

  • Is it something about coming from those two different worlds

  • and one being shut off from the rest of the world,

  • and one dealing with all the crap that

  • thousands of years of influence have?

  • - Well the, you know,

  • without spoiling.

  • (laughing)

  • (mumbling)

  • He leans out of here.

  • - Crop me out, crop me out.

  • (laughing)

  • - An African American

  • conflict with identity is that

  • you don't have, there's been a severing

  • of your past and your ancestry.

  • And so,

  • you can't name your

  • great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grands.

  • Whereas, I can.

  • And that connection that I have

  • to my past

  • also gives me a particular

  • interest in holding onto that past

  • and tells me how to deal with

  • the actual resources that we have.

  • He.

  • (laughing)

  • - Hmm.

  • - We can't spoil it.

  • (laughing)

  • - I'm not saying anything. - It's like this,

  • a character's past, no matter how deeply rooted,

  • or surface it may be,

  • it directly impacts that character's agenda.

  • T'Challa having a deep history

  • and a knowledge of self.

  • He was raised a certain type of way,

  • he has a certain stature, obviously royalty.

  • Killmonger didn't have that.

  • So you're gonna see what

  • what that could create. - Differences, yes.

  • - What that difference is and what that could create.

  • And it's a conversation because I think both sides,

  • both have valid points.

  • It just depends on where you stand,

  • and kind of where you're coming from.

  • - And you never see. - You did it,

  • you're still hired

  • don't worry, not becoming fired, you're good.

  • - You've never seen that,

  • that African, African American debate.

  • - Yeah.

  • - In film, on this stage and this platform

  • in this particular way,

  • and I think when you finish watching the film

  • you will continue to have it.

  • Or I'll continue to have it,

  • you get to hear it.

  • (laughing)

  • - Actually another thing I wanna mention,

  • because I think I fell in love

  • and I think a lot of people

  • that have gotten the chance to see the movie early on

  • with just the setting of the film,

  • and how it is its own story very much.

  • I mean I love all the Marvel movies,

  • but this one like,

  • you know 80% of it's probably in Wakanda.

  • I think there's gonna be,

  • I think as audiences see it, they're gonna experience

  • and they're gonna fall in love with Wakanda.

  • - Yeah.

  • - I'm sure you guys did. - Yeah.

  • Yeah, vacation's planned.

  • - Right.

  • (laughing)

  • Just needing to get on that, actually create Wakanda right?

  • (laughing)

  • So, what do you think the appeal is?

  • What do you think people,

  • early audiences are finding so attractive of that society

  • and what do you think future audiences

  • are gonna find interesting about it?

  • - I think it's the combination of the past

  • and the present, or the past and the future actually.

  • The fact that you have this Afrofuturist world

  • that actually uses the tradition along with its advancement.

  • - [Josh] Right.

  • - That combination of things is within the movie,

  • it's exquisite I think.

  • It's a beautiful thing to watch.

  • That you can hold onto something

  • and move forward at the same time.

  • - Now I get that you guys are in really good shape.

  • I appreciate that, congratulations on that.

  • But did there have to be so much shirtless scenes?

  • I feel like you were just like flaunting it in my face.

  • (laughing)

  • We get it.

  • - Hey, you blame Ryan.

  • - Yeah, I know right? - Come on.

  • - We out here, we just actors, man.

  • - Right. - We just doing

  • what's on the page, you know?

  • We just gotta show up.

  • - I was saying to this guy,

  • I was up at 3 a.m. last night with insomnia.

  • I'm looking on Instagram stories,

  • I'm in bed just doing nothing,

  • he's as the gym going bananas, going crazy.

  • (laughing)

  • - Oh, you posted your workout?

  • - Yeah, a little bit.

  • I couldn't sleep, I couldn't help it.

  • - So you had to get a video in?

  • - [Josh] So you had to?

  • - Migos song, you know what I'm saying,

  • Black Panther album on repeat.

  • - I worked out to that

  • last night, to be. - Is that right?

  • - Yeah, yeah.

  • - [Josh] The soundtrack's good for workouts?

  • - It is great. - You'd recommend it?

  • - Great for workouts. - It's really great for a lot,

  • you know what I'm saying?

  • It's really well balanced.

  • (laughing)

  • - I'm not even going anywhere with what I just heard.

  • It's good for a lot of stuff.

  • (laughing)

  • - Read into what you will.

  • - Hey man look, you guys take what you want from it,

  • okay listen.

  • - Who is more comfortable being shirtless on set?

  • Who is more apt to just walk around half-naked?

  • (mumbled arguing)

  • - Probably me, - Probably him, yeah.

  • - I don't really like clothes like that anyway,

  • so I was like, any chance I get is like whatever.

  • - It's definitely him.

  • - You shot the next couple Avengers films.

  • Is there just a scene with like,

  • a dozen Avengers shirtless in a sauna?

  • Just comparing notes? - Comparing what?

  • - You know what,

  • not yet, but I'm gonna pitch that scene.

  • - It's not a bad idea.

  • I mean, not that we need more butts in the seats,

  • but you might get a few more.

  • (laughing)

  • - Fans will like that one, I'm sure.

  • (laughing)

  • - You alluded to this a little bit before.

  • What's gotten you emotional in the process?

  • Is it seeing the kids kind of like,

  • grab on to this character,

  • and classes kind of rally and raise money to see the movie?

  • What's been the high point emotionally for you?

  • - It's a lot,

  • I mean I just saw like a group of little Black Panthers

  • you know earlier today.

  • And yeah, it's touching.

  • Really, seeing people walk out of the movie crying.

  • Or crying at various parts of the movie.

  • - Just talking about Michael though.

  • He just, he's an emotional guy.

  • - Yeah, no.

  • I'm not talking about him. - Me?

  • I am an emotional guy, but hey.

  • (laughing)

  • - I'm just talking about like, family members, friends.

  • And I don't wanna give anything away,

  • in terms of, because I want people to feel

  • whatever they feel.

  • - [Josh] Sure.

  • - But people have had really really emotional

  • responses to that,

  • and when it's a Marvel movie and it's that,

  • it says something.

  • - You told me when we spoke a couple months back,

  • 'cause you obviously were a part of this,

  • you got in this role before even Coogler got on board,

  • and you were thinking about it long and hard,

  • and you had some notes, and you were saying

  • that some had made it through the process.

  • I think were alluding to maybe a specific scene, even.

  • That was in your initial, kind of journals.

  • Do you you remember what it?

  • - I mean it's more than that.

  • I was saying, the key thing for me is,

  • I didn't like the fact that my father died.

  • It's a (laughs) it's a war.

  • I was like, you know, - Robs you a bit of drama,

  • a little, an arc for that character, yeah.

  • - No, and I'm not saying that like,

  • they were wrong.

  • It was just hard to let go of my father.

  • - Gotcha. - It's like,

  • I come in, I have this character, I have this franchise,

  • you have John Kani who is a great actor.

  • And then you take him away the first scene.

  • So,

  • one of the key

  • things for me was to make sure that there was an ancestry.

  • That there was a way to actually talk to him.

  • - [Josh] Got it.

  • - In the present.

  • So that's one of the things that

  • I felt was important,

  • that he's in this movie in some sort of way.

  • - Michael, according to my research,

  • you have been in superhero films before.

  • - Yeah, that's a fact.

  • - Is that correct?

  • - That's cool.

  • - [Josh] That's hard to remember.

  • - Did the job get get that on the card right there?

  • - Yeah, they wrote it for me,

  • I don't even know. - Cool.

  • - Um, no but was there a big debate

  • in all earnestness, about sort of like,

  • taking this on so relatively soon after

  • the Fantastic Four experience?

  • Obviously apples and oranges, a much different experience,

  • and I assume again Ryan Coogler's the reason to do it.

  • But was there significant kind of trepidation

  • given that you'd been in this kind of universe so recently?

  • - Um, zero hesitation.

  • It wasn't even, I didn't even really think about it.

  • As soon as he gave me the call,

  • I was like alright cool, let's go.

  • Let's get into it.

  • One, because I love the space.

  • I love Marvel, I love the characters

  • and kind of like that world.

  • So to get another chance at it, for sure.

  • 'Cause I had big hopes and dreams,

  • you know what I'm saying?

  • I had aspirations, you know what I'm saying?

  • The first time around, so,

  • especially with this one,

  • to be a part of this project, to work with Chad,

  • you know something I've always wanted to do.

  • Actors, a lot of times,

  • like yeah we'll work together one day,

  • yeah let's do it one day.

  • And it never happens.

  • So to get a chance to do it on this scale

  • you know what I'm saying,

  • you get two black strong male leads

  • going back and forth toe-to-toe.

  • That was really appealing,

  • and then you know,

  • to play an antagonist,

  • a character that I've never played before

  • it was something different.

  • And then of course working with Ryan, so.

  • - I mean Ryan's trajectory in his career is amazing,

  • and you obviously know that more than anybody.

  • How close are you to directing a project?

  • - I'm pretty far off.

  • I identify one, this book that I'm really excited about,

  • just going through the process of fleshing out the draft,

  • making sure the script's right.

  • And then timing, something that's really important.

  • Knowing how much Ryan puts in of himself into a project

  • before he actually goes to shoot it.

  • And knowing my schedule, work wise,

  • I just wanna make sure I'm giving myself

  • the best opportunity to do a really good job

  • my first time out, so. - Yeah.

  • - Just trying to take my time and get it done right.

  • - Have you picked his, Ryan Coogler's brain at all,

  • or what do you think you'll take

  • from your experiences with him

  • to your first directing effort?

  • - Yeah, I mean honestly,

  • he's the reason why I have the

  • self-confidence to go out there and do it,

  • to be perfectly honest.

  • Just like representation is so important,

  • you know on-screen,

  • I think behind the camera also.

  • See, somebody my age that's taking the responsibility of

  • the power of a hundred and millions of dollars

  • this project is.

  • It's inspiring, it's let me know that I can do that as well.

  • And then he also pushed me and told me

  • there's never a perfect time so just like,

  • suck it up and just go ahead and do it.

  • You know what you're doing,

  • so just hearing that from him definitely pushed me

  • to wanna get behind a camera a lot quicker.

  • - And you raise an important point about representation.

  • And the Star Wars franchise,

  • speaking of the Disney universe,

  • has done a great job in front of the camera so far.

  • And I'm sure Kathy Kennedy's making efforts

  • to diversify behind the camera as well.

  • I'd like to see a Ryan Coogler Star Wars movie.

  • - Oh, man. - What do you guys think?

  • - I mean, I'd like to see Ryan Coogler anything movie.

  • - I said the same thing to him.

  • (laughing)

  • - What? - Yeah.

  • - What did he say?

  • (laughing)

  • - Did he say, I've had that thought too?

  • - I don't know what he said.

  • (laughing)

  • - You need to listen to your friends more.

  • - I can't remember.

  • - [Josh] What?

  • - I can't remember what he said.

  • (laughing)

  • - Yeah, Ryan, anything he puts his mind to honestly,

  • I can't imagine it not being amazing.

  • He brings a lot of heart grounded natures to it,

  • and fleshes out characters,

  • and he's a savant with storytelling.

  • I mean, you throw him in any genre

  • for like, you know, he'll kill.

  • - Last couple quick things.

  • We were talking, you're in Creed mode.

  • You're moving on from this into the Creed sequel.

  • You know I was such a fan of Creed.

  • Talk to me about the challenges of this one,

  • we know there are echoes of Ivan Drago, Rocky IV.

  • In this one, is it gonna feel connected to that film

  • in a significant way?

  • I mean, we're obviously,

  • that was a film very much of its time of the '80s.

  • (laughing)

  • Uh oh, what do we got?

  • - Nah, nah, nah, nothing.

  • Just the process of, no obviously,

  • you know Ryan's

  • Creed one was something so special

  • to create an origin story and a spinoff

  • from the world of Rocky,

  • was a challenge all its own.

  • But he pulled it off in a big way.

  • Just trying to figure out

  • where those characters would be now.

  • How do you, you take Adonis and his family,

  • with Rocky and Bianca,

  • and try to move them forward in a realistic way,

  • an interesting way.

  • Not gonna.

  • (laughing)

  • - That's good.

  • - Go, go, there it is.

  • That's it, that's it, that's it.

  • That's right, yeah. - We were just getting

  • to the good stuff.

  • - Yeah so uh, yeah.

  • It's going good, I'm looking forward to

  • getting back in there. - Leave 'em waiting.

  • Leave 'em waiting.

  • - Wanting more?

  • - My man, my man.

  • - Let's see if you do as well as this.

  • You've wrapped, I assume, on your Avengers madness by now.

  • I mean, there's a lot of characters to serve in that.

  • Do you feel like you've got something to chew on?

  • Is there even like a mini arc

  • for T'Challa through those films?

  • These next two Avengers films?

  • - Sure.

  • - Oh, God.

  • (laughing)

  • - I know you're a smart guy,

  • you have more to say than sure in your brain.

  • - No he's, now he's like. - He's baiting.

  • - Get him, get him! - You're a smart guy.

  • You're a smart guy, that's why I said sure.

  • (laughing)

  • - Fair enough, fair enough.

  • Honestly, congratulations guys.

  • This film works on just so many levels.

  • It's a fun movie, it's a great movie.

  • It's a great ride.

  • And it also happens to be something that

  • can maybe change our culture for the better.

  • And that's pretty good.

  • So thanks for stopping by, guys.

  • - Thanks Josh. - Always good to see you.

  • - Appreciate it, man.

  • Yup.

- Gentlemen, welcome to MTV.

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