Name: TED】Eva Zeisel:俏皮地尋找美（Eva Zeisel：The playful search for beauty）。 (【TED】Eva Zeisel: The playful search for beauty (Eva Zeisel: The playful search for beauty))
Uploaded: 2021-01-14T07:25:45.000Z
Duration: 18 min 10 s

So I understand that this meeting was planned,

譯者: Chih-Yuan Jen (任致遠) 審譯者: Shelley Krishna Tsang

過去簡單式

我知道這場講座是活動的一部分

現在進行式

活動標語是「從『曾經』到『延續』」

Which, of course, I am not agreeing with because,

although I am 94, I am not still working.

And anybody who asks me, "Are you still doing this or that?"

雖然我已經94歲了，不表示我是「繼續」工作

I don't answer because I'm not doing things still, I'm doing it like I always did.

如果有人問我「你還繼續工作嗎?」

I still have -- or did I use the word still? I didn't mean that.

我並不回答，因為我並不是「延續」我以前做的事，而是我就和以前的我一樣

我還繼續 -- 我剛剛是用了「繼續」這個詞嗎? 我不是這個意思

I have my file which is called To Do. I have my plans.

I have my clients. I am doing my work like I always did.

我有我待辦的任務，我有我的計畫

我有我的客戶。我一如往常地做這份工作。

I want to show you my work so you know what I am doing and why I am here.

我將呈現我的作品，讓你們了解我的工作以及我到這裡分享的原因

All of these things were made during the last 75 years.

這些作品都是發表於...過去75年

doing more or less what you see here. This is Castleton China.

不過當然，我從25歲就開始設計

This was an exhibition at the Museum of Modern Art.

所做的差不多如你們這裡所見到的。這是卡斯爾頓瓷器

This is now for sale at the Metropolitan Museum.

它曾經是現代藝術博物館的展覽品

This is still at the Metropolitan Museum now for sale.

現在則陳列在大都會藝術博物館販售

This is a portrait of my daughter and myself.

These were just some of the things I've made.

I made hundreds of them for the last 75 years.

在過去75年，我創作了上百個作品

I don't call myself an industrial designer because I'm other things.

我稱自己為這些作品的「創作者」

Industrial designers want to make novel things.

我不會稱自己為「工藝設計師」，因為我不太一樣

Novelty is a concept of commerce, not an aesthetic concept.

工藝設計師想要做出新奇的東西

The industrial design magazine, I believe, is called "Innovation."

「新奇」是商業的概念，而不是美學的概念

Innovation is not part of the aim of my work.

有本工藝設計的雜誌，我記得是叫作「創新」

Well, makers of things: they make things more beautiful, more elegant,

more comfortable than just the craftsmen do.

所謂創作者，相較於那些工匠的作品，他們創作的東西更漂亮

I have so much to say. I have to think what I am going to say.

Well, to describe our profession otherwise,

我有好多話想說。我必須要想想我現在要說什麼

we are actually concerned with the playful search for beauty.

That means the playful search for beauty was called the first activity of Man.

我們實際上關心的是，對於美麗事物的玩樂探索

Sarah Smith, who was a mathematics professor at MIT, wrote,

這意味著，對美的玩樂探索，即是人類發展的第一個活動

"The playful search for beauty was Man's first activity --

Sarah Smith，一位麻省理工的數學教授，寫道

that all useful qualities and all material qualities

「人類的第一個活動，就是對於美麗事物的玩耍探索 --

were developed from the playful search for beauty."

任何實用的價值和任何物質的價值

These are tiles. The word, "playful" is a necessary aspect of our work

because, actually, one of our problems is that we have to make,

這些就是設計的基石。這個字，「玩」，是我們這行的必備

produce, lovely things throughout all of life, and this for me is now 75 years.

因為，我們最大的挑戰就是我們必須

創作出討人喜愛的東西，費盡畢生心力。而對我來說，「畢生」已經是75年了

make things with the same pleasure, as a gift to others, for so long?

The playful is therefore an important part of our quality as designer.

源源不絕地用同樣的熱情創作，每次都像是給心儀的人禮物般，永不疲倦?

所以，玩心是設計者素質高下的要素

As I said, I started to do these things 75 years ago.

如同我剛剛所說的，我已經從業75年

was at the Sesquicentennial exhibition in 1926 --

that the Hungarian government sent one of my hand-drawn pieces as part of the exhibit.

是1926年，美國獨立150周年特展 --

My work actually took me through many countries,

匈牙利政府提供了一件我的手繪作品參展

This is not that they took me -- the work didn't take me --

I made the things particularly because I wanted to use them to see the world.

這不是指它們真的帶領我 -- 我的作品並沒有「帶著」我 --

I was incredibly curious to see the world, and I made all these things,

我創作這些作品，是因為我希望透過它們看看世界

which then finally did take me to see many countries and many cultures.

我對世界充滿好奇，於是我做出這些作品

I started as an apprentice to a Hungarian craftsman,

它們也真的引領我去認識許多國家和文化

and this taught me what the guild system was in Middle Ages.

我剛入行時，是拜一位匈牙利師傅為師

The guild system: that means when I was an apprentice,

這讓我領略到，中世紀時手工業的行規

I had to apprentice myself in order to become a pottery master.

In my shop where I studied, or learned, there was a traditional hierarchy

我必須拜師學藝，以成為一個陶器師傅

of master, journeyman and learned worker, and apprentice,

在我受訓求學的工房，有著傳統的師徒階級制

分作師傅、資深工藝師、學長和學徒

The work as an apprentice was very primitive.

That means I had to actually learn every aspect of making pottery by hand.

一個學徒要做的事情是很原始粗重的

We mashed the clay with our feet when it came from the hillside.

意思是，我必須親手操作每一個製作陶器的流程

After that, it had to be kneaded. It had to then go in, kind of, a mangle.

我們用的黏土來自山上，先經過腳踩

And then finally it was prepared for the throwing.

接著揉捏，然後經過壓榨機處理

And there I really worked as an apprentice.

這些就是我作為學徒所要做的事

because this was part of oven-making, oven-setting, in the time.

that I had accomplished my apprenticeship successfully,

that I had behaved morally, and this document was given to me

證明我已順利完成我的學徒訓練

by the Guild of Roof-Coverers, Rail-Diggers, Oven-Setters,

並學習不倦、尊師重道，就可以得到這份證書

授予我證書的權威代表，包括鋪設屋頂的工人、鐵路工人、搭建烤爐的工人

清理煙囪的工人，以及燒陶師傅

I also got at the time a workbook which explained my rights

and my working conditions, and I still have that workbook.

我當時還收到一本手冊，說明學徒的權利

以及工作待遇。這本手冊，直到現在我都還留著

and made pottery which I sold on the marketplace in Budapest.

學徒畢業後，我先在自己的庭院裡設立一個工作室

And there I was sitting, and my then-boyfriend --

然後在布達佩斯販售我的陶藝作品

I didn't mean it was a boyfriend like it is meant today --

我坐在那裡，而我當時的男友 --

but my boyfriend and I sat at the market and sold the pots.

我所說的男友，並不是今天大家所講的那種「男友」 --

My mother thought that this was not very proper,

我的男友和我一起坐在市場攤位，販售陶器

so she sat with us to add propriety to this activity.

所以她也來和我們坐在一起，讓這一切「妥當」一點

However, after a while there was a new factory being built in Budapest,

好景不常，沒多久布達佩斯就出現了一座新的工廠

And I visited it with several ladies, and asked all sorts of questions of the director.

Then the director asked me, why do you ask all these questions?

我和幾個女孩子一起去參觀，纏著工廠的主任問個不停

那個主任就反問我，為什麼對這些事情這麼好奇?

So he asked me, could he please visit me, and then finally he did,

and explained to me that what I did now in my shop was an anachronism,

他詢問我是否能拜訪我的工作室，他也真的來了

that the industrial revolution had broken out,

並且向我解釋，說像我這樣的工作模式已經落伍了

and that I rather should join the factory.

There he made an art department for me where I worked for several months.

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