Name: 【TED】梅拉-卡爾曼：圖解的女人（Maira Kalman: The illustrated woman）。 (【TED】Maira Kalman: The illustrated woman (Maira Kalman: The illustrated woman))
Uploaded: 2021-01-14T07:25:34.000Z
Duration: 17 min 43 s

頻率副詞

is what this session is about, which is called simplicity.

這場名為「簡單」的討論是要做什麼

動名詞

And almost, I would almost call it being simple-minded,

而且，我甚至會稱這是場「頭腦簡單」的討論

但是我是以最崇高的方式去解讀這句「簡單」

I'm trying to figure out two very simple things:

我一直在試著理解兩件很簡單的小事

如何過活? 以及如何死亡? 就這樣。

That's all I'm trying to do, all day long.

And I'm also trying to have some meals, and have some snacks,

當然我也還是會吃飯，偶爾來些點心

and, you know, and yell at my children, and do all the normal things

對孩子咆哮，以及其他日常瑣事

So, I was fortunate enough to be born a very dreamy child.

我非常幸運，從小就愛做白日夢

My older sister was busy torturing my parents,

I was lucky enough to be completely ignored,

於是我在家中很幸運能被完全忽視

which is a fabulous thing, actually, I want to tell you.

So, I was able to completely daydream my way through my life.

And I finally daydreamed my way into NYU, at a very good time, in 1967,

夢著夢著就夢進了紐約大學 -- 當時是1967年

where I met a man who was trying to blow up the math building of NYU.

我在那裡遇見了一個男人，他整天盤算著要炸掉數學大樓

And I was writing terrible poetry and knitting sweaters for him.

我則是一邊寫著糟糕的詩，一邊幫他織著毛衣

And feminists hated us, and the whole thing was wretched

女性主義者討厭我們，整個生活從一開始就讓人難受

But I kept writing bad poetry, and he didn't blow up the math building,

但我還是繼續寫著很糟的詩詞，他當然沒炸毀數學大樓

But I gave him the money, because I was from Riverdale

旅費用的是我的錢，因為我來自里佛岱爾(Riverdale)區

And that was a good thing to help, you know, the cause.

這是件好事，你知道的，能夠贊助他

But, then he came back, and things happened,

不過，他回來之後，事情開始不同

我開始受不了自己寫的那些東西

but I still wanted to tell a narrative story

So I decided that I would start to draw. How hard could that be?

我想就用畫的吧。畫畫還能有多難?

just becoming an editorial illustrator through, you know,

Well, Tibor really started the studio, called M&Co.

應該說，Tibor(講者的丈夫)成立了工作室，命名為M&Co

And the premise of M&Co was, we don't know anything,

在成立這個工作室之前，我們什麼都不懂

but that's all right, we're going to do it anyway.

不過沒關係，我們還是勇往直前

And as a matter of fact, it's better not to know anything,

because if you know too much, you're stymied.

there are no boundaries, there is no fear.

And I -- and my full-time job, I landed the best job on Earth,

我呢 -- 還有我的全職工作，我得到了全世界最棒的工作

was to daydream, and to actually come up with absurd ideas

那就是繼續做夢，想些異想天開的點子

that -- fortunately, there were enough people there,

幸好，也有很多人也像我一樣 --

我們組成一個團隊，大家集思廣益

it was not just me coming up with crazy ideas.

而不只是我一個人想著那些怪誕的點子。

But the point was that I was there as myself, as a dreamer.

但重點是，我是以我個人，一個夢想家的角色參與工作室

And so some of the things -- I mean, it was a long history of M&Co,

所以有些事 -- 這其實是M&Co工作室的老歷史

and clearly we also needed to make some money,

so we decided we would create a series of products.

attempting to be beautiful and humorous --

就是我們企圖讓設計兼具美感與樂趣 --

maybe not attempting, hopefully succeeding.

或許也並不只是憑空妄想，而是期待真的發揮效果 --

to break apart what you normally expect, to use humor and surprise,

才能打破既有的框架，運用點滴的趣味與驚喜

elegance and humanity in your work was really important to us.

成品本身的質感與人性，是我們非常重視的

It was a very high, it was a very impersonal time in design

當時普遍的設計，是非常缺乏人味的

and we wanted to say, the content is what's important,

我們想傳達的是，產品本身才是最重要的

You really have to be journalists, you have to be inventors,

你必須成為一個抽絲剝繭的記者，一個突破創新的發明家

you have to use your imagination more importantly than anything.

你必須全心發揮你的想像力，不顧一切

and, though I don't know if I believe in luck --

雖然我不確定自己是否相信運氣 --

I don't know what I believe in, it's a very complicated question,

我不知道自己究竟相信什麼，這問題很難解 --

but I do know that before I go away, I crank his tail seven times.

但我的確知道，每次在我出遠門之前，我都會晃晃牠的尾巴七次

So, whenever he sees a suitcase in the house,

because everybody's always, you know, leaving,

因為家中每個人總是時不時的出遠門

they're always cranking this wonderful dog's tail,

每個人也總是會在離開前晃晃牠可愛的尾巴

於是牠就會跑進其他房間躲起來。

But I am able to make the transition from working for children and --

我能自由穿梭、轉換角度，為兒童創作或 --

from working for adults to children, and back and forth,

在為成人以及為兒童創作之間反覆轉換

because, you know, I can say that I'm immature,

因為，我會認為那是因為，我是個很不成熟的人

I don't really -- I mean, I could tell you that I didn't understand,

我並不 -- 我的意思是，我能篤定的告訴你，我無法聽懂 --

I'm not proud of it, but I didn't understand

我並沒有因此沾沾自喜，但我無法聽懂

let's say 95 percent of the talks at this conference.

這場論壇裡將近百分之95的演說

But I have been taking beautiful notes of drawings

但在聽講時，我還是畫下美麗的筆記

and I have a gorgeous onion from Murray Gell-Mann's talk.

我在聽Murray Gell-Mann(美國物理學家)的演講時，畫了一個絢麗的洋蔥

And I have a beautiful page of doodles from Jonathan Woodham's talk.

在Jonathan Woodham(英國設計史學家)的演講，我畫了一整頁美麗的塗鴉

So, good things come out of, you know, incomprehension --

所以，好事的降臨，總是出現在我們內心充滿問號的時刻 --

-- which I will do a painting of, and then it will end up in my work.

-- 那些時刻會讓我想要創作，最後就成為我的作品

So, I'm open to the possibilities of not knowing

所以，我對於自己的無知感到很自在

So, in writing for children, it seems simple, and it is.

為兒童創作好像是件很簡單的事，它確實是如此

You have to condense a story into 32 pages, usually.

一般而言，你必須在32頁以內塞進一個故事

And what you have to do is, you really have to edit down to what you want to say.

你往往需要從你原本想講的內容裡刪掉許多

And hopefully, you're not talking down to kids

你也希望講故事的語氣不要顯得高高在上

and you're not talking in such a way that you,

you know, couldn't stand reading it after one time.

讓人讀過一遍後就不肯再碰那本書

books that are good for children and for adults.

但插畫觸發讀者內心投射的力量

I don't think differently for children than I do for adults.

就我看來，對孩子或對大人並無不同

I try to use the same kind of imagination, the same kind of whimsy,

我試著運用一樣的想像力，一樣的胡思亂想

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