Name: 彼得·約瑟夫佔領華爾街| “RT電視台”2011年10月27日[債該死運動] (Peter Joseph on Media & Occupy Wall Street | 'Russia Today' Oct 27, 2011 [The Zeitgeist Movement])
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- And to help me sort things out in addition is Peter Joseph

此外  幫助我理清頭緒的還有彼德·約瑟夫

Peter, I know that you have put a major critique of the mainstream media

彼德  我知道你對主流媒體有諸多批判

and its coverage of the Occupy Wall Street movement.

包括了其對佔領華爾街運動的報導方式

Lay this out for me. What's your biggest beef

對我解釋一下  從我們一直看到的

with what we've been seeing in the Occupy Wall Street movement

佔領華爾街運動之中  你最大的抱怨是什麼

- Needless to say the mainstream media is doing

what it always does best and that's maintaining the status quo.

It's not a far-fetched understanding to see that the values

that are perpetuated by this system that are associated with wealth generation

目前體系所延續的價值觀  與創造財富有關

and the corporations that run this country are going to do the best they can

而這些大公司打算盡其所能控制社會

to make sure the public is not aware of the growing crisis

確保人們察覺不到日益嚴重的危機

that this economic system is creating across the board.

即現存經濟體制正創造並蔓延的危機

I want to commend RT once again for what I've just seen:

對於我剛才看到的東西 我想再次讚賞Russia Today

It's really wonderful the service that you are providing.

Mainstream media? I've dismissed it long ago.

- We appreciate it. We have been out covering this since the first day

我們感到很榮幸 我們從佔領運動的第一天起就在關注

before a lot of people even heard of this, but I will say

甚至在很多人聽說前就知道了  但我要說

that I keep my eyes on what's on the cable networks

and they have started to be out there a little more in terms of covering

開始有更多的媒體報導開始出現

and showing that this is actually going on.

I do also have to say that I've seen more stories about

the gap between rich and poor, income and inequality...

貧富 薪資差距以及不平等的事...

You've given up on the mainstream media, but do you think

你已經放棄了主流媒體  但你認為

that after some time, that having this discussion will change things

過一段時間之後  這些議論會引發變革

- Or a better world. I do think the pressures that are emerging

-或更好的世界  我確實認為壓力正在浮現

are not going to stop. What's been generated with Occupy Wall Street (OWS)

而且不會停止  佔領華爾街觸及了

what underscores that generation: angst, anger.

(which I'm happy to talk about as we continue) and the mainstream media

(當我們繼續談這點時我會高興的)和主流媒體

will be forced to recognize some attributes of it.

But it's always going to be a colored in a particular way

但將總是會以特定方式被渲染抹黑

because that's basically what they have to do.

因為基本上這就是主流媒體必須做的事

That's where their talking points come from.

But I don't dismiss the mainstream media. I say that in rhetoric.

但我不是真的拋棄主流媒體  這只是一種說辭

Obviously I'm paying attention too or I wouldn't make the commentary that I do

顯然我也在關注  否則我就無法下評論

but I think the public needs to begin to understand

that having the concentration of corporate power

ownership of these major, mainstream institutions

is always going to produce biased media and it's a natural consequence.

其媒體總是帶有偏見  但這是自然的結果

It's not that the people are unethical who run the mainstream.

那些經營媒體的人士並非不道德

It's just the value that's associated and what they promote.

只是他們必須宣傳這些有關的價值觀

Just like RT and other great more independent avenues

就像Russia Today和其它很棒的獨立消息來源

have values that are much more open, they're much broader

more informed, and therefore you represent actually

訊息更完整  所以你們代表的是

what many people want to see, what the voice of the people may actually be

許多人真正想看及人們可能的真正聲音

as opposed to the filtering that goes through the mainstream.

而不是經過主流媒體篩選過的東西

The entire Occupy Movement began as a blackout

整個佔領運動一開始像停電一樣

and then the outrageous criticisms calling them communists and socialists

接著有狂暴的批評 攻擊這些人為共產或社會主義者

and a bunch of drug addicts or people without jobs and no incentive.

或是一群吸毒者以及沒有動力的失業者

All that stuff went through that phase. Now we have hit a phase

所有事件都會經過這種階段  現在我們達到了一個

where the mainstream is going to pay some type of attention

but I want to alert everybody that it's going to be colored

但我想警示每個人  它將會被渲染抹黑

so everyone needs to go to outlets that are not mainstream.

所以每個人需要找尋非主流的途徑

They need to start to frequent blog. They need to frequent

人們必須開始經常使用部落格  以及經常

all of the independent media that has arisen

Fortunately, we live in a world with everyone having cameras now

幸運地  我們現在的世界每個人都有相機

所以把影片放到部落格上非常簡單

and actually see and digest information yourself.

自己可以很確實地看到並理解訊息

- Or even go to some of these places, some of these parks where people are.

甚至可以去一些有人聚集的園區

It seems like more and more they're happening all around the country.

Peter, I want to talk really quickly about the Zeitgeist Movement.

彼德  我想非常快地討論一下時代精神運動

It encourages also a change in the system.

When it comes to some of the things that these protesters on OWS

當這些抗議者們談及一些事情時

are frustrated with: a government with officials that are very much chosen

會感到很失望  例如政府官員可以使用

by the amount of money they can raise, banks being bailed out

大量募得的資金而當選  銀行可以被援助

veterans returning home and not being able to find a job

但退伍軍人返家後卻沒有一份工作

I guess I want to get your take, pick your brain a little bit.

What are your solutions to some of these problems?

你對這些問題的解決方案是什麼?

Just to correct the language quickly, it's not 'my' solutions.

快速澄清一下用字  這不是"我的"解決方案

It's solutions that have come about through a very simple technical analysis

這個解決方案  是經由一個非常簡單的技術分析

of what defines society: what creates good public health

去定義一個社會:如何創造良好的公眾健康

good mental health, what we have learned about social management

與良好的心理健康  當談到我們的科學水平時

when it comes to our scientific benchmark.

Just to point out before I answer that question, our entire social system

在我回答問題前  我要指出一點:我們的整個社會體系

is based on an archaic view a traditional notion

It's really an extension to feudalism is what the political system is today.

今日的政治體系  真的只是封建制度的延續

The economic system is a socially Darwinistic notion

經濟體系是社會達爾文主義的概念

that there isn't enough to go around, so we have all these mechanisms

即沒有足夠的物資能分配  所以我們的現有機制

built in for scarcity and we now have one billion people starving

都是為了"匱乏"而建造  現在地球上有十億人正在挨餓

on this planet, 3 billion people living on less than $2 a day.

三十億人口每天開銷不到兩美元

You look at the consequences of this system and then you step back

看看這個體系造成的影響  並退一步思考

and you think about what a true economic system might be

一個真正的"經濟"到底是怎樣的

and a train of thought will be established.

based on exchange, money and labor for income.

並不是基於交換 金錢和勞動以得到薪資的體系

That's a contrivance that we've concocted through traditional unfoldings

這是我們從歷史傳統中人為創造出來的

what our place in the world actually is, what we are.

就會演變成為我們現在的世界處境

A true economy, which is what's now emerging in the public mind

真正的經濟概念  即管理地球本身

A true economy is management of this household that we have

真正的經濟體系是管理這個我們擁有的家庭

and proper management is a technical orientation.

Meeting the needs of human population is a technical orientation.

Just as we build an airplane with a very specific design

就像我們有特定的設計  去建造一架飛機一樣

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