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BROTHERS, BUT NOW

MARK McGWIRE WANTS NOTHING TO DO

CANSECO.

HE APOLOGIZED WHILE ATTENDING

THE WORLD SERIES

LAST WEEKEND.

McGWIRE WASN'T HAVING IT.

ESPNLOSANGELES.COM IT IS

TOO LATE.

USINGO ACCUSED McGWIRE OF

P.E.D.'S FIVE YEARS BEFORE

McGWIRE CAME OUT ABOUT HIS

USAGE.

STEPHEN A. SMITH, WE ARE

CHOOSING SIDES, WHOSE SIDE ARE

YOU ON?

>> SHOCKINGLY FOR THE FIRST TIME

IN YEARS I WOULD HAVE TO SAY I'M

MARK McGWIRE'S SIDE.

THINK HE IS THE

FATHER OF THE STEROIDS ERA.

>> WHO?

MARK McGWIRE.

GODFATHER.ECO THE

I THOUGHT HE WAS A WUSS, GOING

CAPITOL HILL, DIDN'T KNOW HE

WAS PLEADING THE FIFTH, DIDN'T

ARTICULATE.

TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT MARK

CANSECO I'M

TALKING ABOUT.

SKIP, I STRUGGLE WITH THIS.

THIS BUT GETTING

INTO MYSELF A LITTLE BIT.

I'M NOT THE MOST RELIGIOUS

WORLD. IN THE

I'M A CHRISTIAN.

I BELIEVE IN GOD.

YOU ARE ENCOURAGED TO FORGIVE

WHILE NEVER FORGETTING.

I MUST ADMIT I DON'T NECESSARILY

THEORY ALL THEAT

TIME.

THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIED

ME AND D MALIGNED ON

THEY WILL NEVER BE FORGIVEN NO

THEY TRY. HARD

THEY CAN GO TO HELL.

>> THAT IS STRONG.

IT, ONE INDIVIDUAL IN

PARTICULAR, YOU KNOW WHO THAT

IS.

WITH THAT BEING SAID --

IT'S HOT IN HERE.

>> IT IS REAL HOT IN HERE.

YIKES.

FOR HIME IT IS REAL HOT

ONE DAY.

WITH THAT BEING SAID --

>> I'M NOT SURE GOD WOULD

JUST HAD TO AT YOU

SAY.

> MY PASTOR WORKS WITH ME ON

THESE THINGS BECAUSE HE IS AWARE

OF HOW I FEEL.

I WILL ADMIT THAT.

THAT PERSON LIED AND

MALIGNED AND ALL THIS STUFF.

CASE, HE WAS CO'S

TELLING THE TRUTH.

>> HE WAS.

>> HERE IS THE PROBLEM THOUGH.

THE INTENT BEHIND IT

WERE YOU FORCED OR COMPELLED TO

DO SO?

NO.

OF THE BOOK "JUICED,"

RAMPANT ROIDS, SMASH HITS AND

HOW BASEBALL GOT BIG.

CANSECO DID THIS TO MAKE

MONEY AND HE USED THE LIFE OF

MARK McGWIRE TO PROFIT OFF OF

IT.

AND INSTITUTED

MISERY IN A WAY THAT IS JUST

UNFORGIVABLE TO ME.

LISTEN, I DON'T CARE WHO YOU

ARE.

ET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE IF ROGER

CLEMENS NEVER FORGAVE ANDY

PETTITTE.

HE WAS SUBPOENAED.

GO AND GIVE SWORN

TESTIMONY UNDER OATH AND IF HE

HLIED HE WOULD HAVE GONE TO

JAIL.

ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THAN

WRITING A BOOK AND TRYING TO

ELSE'S FF OF SOMEBODY

MISERY THAT WOULD HAVE NEVER

EXISTED HAD YOU NOT WRITTEN THE

BOOK.

YOU DIDN'T EVEN CAPITALIZE OFF A

MISERY THAT WAS ALREADY IN

EXISTENCE.

MISERY.ED THE

YOU BROUGHT THE HEAT OF THE

MARK McGWIRE.N

>> MM-HMM.

>> SO BECAUSE OF THAT, THAT IS

ABOUT YOUR INTENT.

WHICH IS ONE -- WHICH IS THE

BIGGEST REASON, THAT IS MY

BIGGEST STRUGGLE.

>> SURE.

SEE, I CAN FORGIVE ANYBODY.

I TRULY CAN.

CAN FORGIVE ANYBODY FOR MAKING

A MISTAKE.

I CAN FORGIVE SOMEBODY FOR

ME, FOR DISAPPOINTING

ME.

>> YEAH.

WHAT I DON'T L

FORGIVE.

BETRYAL SPEAKS TO INTENT.

IF YOUR INTENT IS TO DO ME HARM

LETTING THAT GO.

>> OKAY.

>> THAT IS A STRUGGLE I HAVE

ALWAYS HAD.

ALL LIKELIHOOD I WILL ALWAYS

HAVE IT.

INTENTT YOU DID, BUT THE

BEHIND IT.

>> I FEEL LIKE WE ARE IN CHURCH.

>> I GOT TO SIDE WITH MARK

McGWIRE ON THIS.

I JUST DO.

>> I AM WITH YOU ON THIS.

SIDE IN AS McGWIRE'S

MUCH AS, IF HE NEVER WANTS TO

TO JOSE CANSECO, HIS

BROTHER, AGAIN, I

UNDERSTAND THAT.

HAVE SYMPATHY FOR JOSE

CANSECO, WHO MAY BE THE ALL TIME

KNUCKLEHEAD IN THE SPORT OF

BASEBALL.

HE COULD BE LAUGHABLY

KNUCKLEHEADED.

GUY WHO ISER KNOWN A

DUMB SMART OR SMART DUMB.

HE IS WRONG HEADED BUT HAS

INTELLIGENCE UP THERE A COUPLE

PLACES?

WHEN IT CAME TO STEROIDS HE WAS

JOSE INTELLIGENT,

CANSECO, HE WAS THE GODFATHER.

HOW, HOW TO GET, HOW TO

USE, TO MAXIMIZE HIS EFFICIENCY

IN THE SPORT OF BASEBALL.

I REMIND YOU FOR OUR YOUNGER

M.V.P., HE WON THE 1988

STEROID FUELED.

SUPERIORLY TALENTED

PLAYER.

.307, STOLE 30 BASES.

THIS IS A HUGE MAN WHO COULD

FLY.

THIS IS THE WHOLE PACKAGE THAT

WAS COMPLETELY FLAWED.

WHAT HAPPENED?

OF THIS.THE IRONY

WHEN WE GET TO THE BOOK

"JUICED."

CANSECO, AGE 37, WAS ANGRY

BECAUSE HE FELT LIKE THE POWERS

HAD BLACK BASEBALL

BALLED HIM.

WHY DID THEY BLACK BALL HIM?

HE WAS A JUICER.

SO HE WRITES THE BOOK "JUICED"

ANGER AND HE RATS OUT

EVERYBODY.

>> EVERYBODY.

YEAH.

MARK McGWIRE HIS

FORMER OAKLAND A's TEAMMATE.

THE PICTS THE SCENES IN

BATHROOM STALLS, THEY GO IN THE

STALL AND CLOSE THE DOOR AND HE

BUTT ECTING MARK IN THE

BEFORE GAMES.

THIS IS EXPLICIT.

THIS IS SO DETAILED I KNOW WHEN

WERE ON THE SHOW WHEN THAT

BOOK BROKE I'M READING THESE

P

ASSAGES, HE MUST KNOW, HE HAS

DETAIL.

WE BOUGHT LITERALLY AND

FIGURATIVELY THE BOOK AS DID

CONGRESS.

WHAT JOSE CANSECO DID.

THIS WAS A WATERSHED MOMENT FOR

OF BASEBALL ONCE OF

NATIONAL PAST TIME, NOT SURE IT

IS ANYMORE, IT WAS.

COMING OFF THE STEROID ERA, THE

THE GREAT HOME

RUN CHASE.

>> TOOK BASEBALL AND COMPLETELY

CHANGED THE IMAGE IT HELD.

>> JOSE CANSECO LATELY

DOINGEDLY SAYS HE REGRETS

ALL THIS.

>> SURE.

>> HE GOT BLACK BALLED BY THE

LEAGUE.

BY THE GOT BLACK BALLED

PLAYERS.

EVERYBODY PARIA TO

IN BASEBALL.

DID HE SAVE BASEBALL FROM ITSELF

WOULD STEPHEN A. SMITH PREFER

THE STEROID ERA QUIETLY

CONTINUED.

HE SAVED HETHER

BASEBALL FROM ITSELF OR NOT IS

IRRELEVANT AS IT PERTAINS TO

CANSECO BECAUSE, AGAIN, I'M

SPEAKING ABOUT INTENT.

>> OKAY.

INTENT WASN'T TO SAVE

BASEBALL.

>> NO.

TO PROFIT OFF AS

OF --

>> ALSO TO GET EN WITH.

WITH.OFIT AND GET EVEN

AGAIN, I MEASURE INTENT.

SO IF YOUR INTENT WHEN I TALKED

ME ON A PERSONAL LEVEL AND

WHERE I STAND AND HOW I FEEL, IT

OF SPECIFIC

INDIVIDUALS' INTENT TO DO ME

IN MY FACE.MILING

YOU UNDERSTAND.

PRETENDING YOU WERE SOMETHING

YOU WASN'T.

FORGETTING THAT AND I

AIN'T FORGIVING IT.

ARE PLENTY OF DIFFERENCES.

LOOK AT ME AND MY MOUTH, THERE

I HAVENTY OF DIFFERENCES

HAD WITH PEOPLE OVER THE YEARS.

TWO THINGS PEOPLE CAN SAY ABOUT

IN LIFE, IN LIFE.

NUMBER ONE, I DON'T DISHONOR

THE FRIENDSHIP IS AND WHAT

CODE IT ENTAILS, ET CETERA, ET

CETERA.

PEOPLE.BETRAY

YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT I SAY, YOU

I STAND FOR, HAT

WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, BUT

DAMN IT, I'M A MACK TRUCK.

SEE ME COMING.

TELLING YOU, THERE IS N

BETRAYAL.

FROM?DID THIS COME

THIS IS NOT THE STEPHEN A. I

KNOW.

THERE IS NOT A SOUL ALIVE WHO

SAY THAT ABOUT ME, FOR

BETTER OR WORSE, I'M

TRUSTWORTHY.

ARE AN ND, WHEN YOU

INDIVIDUAL WHO PROVES YOURSELF

A SLIMY, MORALLY BANKRUPT

IS NO UAL, THERE

FORGIVENESS FOR THAT.

>> WHOA.

>> BECAUSE YOUR INTENT IS THAT

DEVIL.

AND YOU SHOULD BE CALLED THAT

AND TREATED AS SUCH.

CANSECO IS WHAT

IS, A ND A COUPLE PEOPLE I KNOW.

WHO HAVE PROFITED FROM

THEIR DECEPTION.

>> SURE TRIED.

CANSECO, LADIES AND

GENTLEMEN, THAT IS WHAT WE ARE

TALKING ABOUT.

>> YES.

SAY TO YOU, WHEN YOU

GET INTO IT WITH PEOPLE, YOU

PAST.E, YOU MOVE

>> I FORGIVE.

AGAIN, NOT BETRAYAL.

BETRAYAL.

SLIME BUCKETS.

SLIMY PEOPLE.

HERE.RSONAL EXPERIENCE

>> I WASN'T SAYING -- NEVER.

>> NOT THIS ONE.

>> LOVE.

FOLKS.DONE,

COMING UP NEXT, HOW MUCH -- WHAT

YOU LAUGHING AT?

>> I'M GETTING SUCH A KICK OUT

OF THIS.

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