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The Peace Education Program at Zonderwater Prison

桑打瓦德監獄 - 和平教育計畫

Zonderwater is a maximum security prison located in Cullinan, South Africa.

桑打德監獄 位於南非庫利南 戒備級別最高

It houses 3,000 inmates, 1688 of which are maximum offenders,

它容納3千名囚犯 其中1688人是最重刑期犯

and 476 of which are serving life sentences.

有476位是終身刑期

It is known as one of the most progressive prisons

桑打德監獄被譽為 南非最前衛的監獄

in South Africa.

我被捕入監前

When I was outside before I was arrested,

等待被審判時 我總把注意力放在外面

and then awaiting trial, I was always focused outward.

我總是擔心別人怎麼看我

I was worried what other people were thinking of me, I was…

我總是忙著想要給人好印象 一直是戴著面具

running around trying to impress others all the time.

事實上 我在身、心方面都心煩意亂

I was wearing masks the whole time.

因為 我的想法是 只要有錢 日子就會好過

Reality is that I was distracted,

所以我心煩意亂，當然也迫切需要錢

mentally and physically,

我進監獄前 我以為我的日子相當好過 . . .

due to this thought that people with money,

但不清楚我是在騙自己

they live good life.

因為我是個殘酷、無心的人

So, I was distracted and desperated for money, of course.

當你想到受刑人 人們總是有兩個反應

My life before I came to prison, I thought I was living well…

你怎麼可以去 . . . 別管他們！

but not realizing that I’m lying to myself.

他們犯了法，別管他們 . . .

Because I was somebody who was ruthless, who was heartless.

或者有極大的恐懼感

When you think of inmates, people feel…

花了這麼多時間 與矯正設施的受刑人相處之後

there’s usually two reactions.

發現他們就像你、我 犯了錯 有人犯了極大的錯

“How can you go? Just leave them alone!

那很艱難 我初到這裡時 一切都讓我感到很苦

“They’ve committed a crime. Just leave them alone.”

特別是要接受 我被審判之後的處境

Or, there’s incredible fear.

那是相當苦，因為 . . .

But having spent so much time with inmates in correctional facilities,

因為這個地方 . . .

they’re just human beings like you and me, that have made mistakes.

我初次知道監獄是怎樣

Some of them, very, very big mistakes.

而 . . .

It was hard.

它讓我心煩意亂

The first time I arrived here, it was made very much difficult for me,

和平教育計畫之前 桑打德監獄的生活很艱難

especially to accept the situation at which I was,

自從2009年 . . .

after I had been sentenced.

和平教育課程 就一直提供給 桑打德監獄的受刑人

It’s a bit hard, because…

你看著你的處境

it’s a place where I…

你說｢我為何在這裡？｣

I first knew what prison is, with it.

｢我不應該在這裡｣

And…

｢我不應該在這裡｣

It was nerve-racking.

但你必須明白到 . . .

Life in Zonderwater before Peace Education was tough for me.

那是你的選擇

Since 2009, the Peace Education Program

你所做的選擇

has been made available to inmates at Zonderwater Prison.

讓你進到這裡

You look at your circumstances

你所做的選擇 也會讓你離開這裡

and you say, “Well, you know, why am I here?

你所做的選擇 也會讓你永遠不再回到監牢裡

“I shouldn’t be here.”

因此，你在生命裡做什麼選擇？

“I shouldn’t be here.”

重點不在於 幸運 或不幸

But you have to realize

因為你是幸運的

that it is the choices that you make;

首先，你是幸運的

the choices that you make

並不像｢談尊嚴傻瓜系列｣

that get you in here.

很不一樣

It is the choices that you make that’ll get you out of here.

是在講故事

And it is the choices you make that will keep you out of here forever.

是普仁羅華這個人在講話

So what are you choosing in your life?

講得很簡單，但很有正能量

It is not a question of being fortunate or unfortunate,

觸及人內在 尊嚴的核心

because you are fortunate.

每星期 我在監獄裡 都見證到

To begin with, you are fortunate.

我過去看到的是 受刑人不好的行為

It’s not like a book, you know, Dignity for Dummies.

但在我看到第一次的轉化之後 我鼓勵一些人去參加這個課程

It’s very different!

參加「和平教育計劃」之後

It’s telling stories.

我鼓勵他們參加這個課程

It’s a man, Prem Rawat, speaking

在告訴其中一些人之後

in a very simple but very powerful way,

我可以看到 裡面的環境 真的是有美好的改變

that touches

我見證到，照顧到了人的尊嚴 就有效

the very heart of dignity in the human being.

藉著激起對他們自己的尊重

And I witness that every week, when I’m at the prison.

而不是教他們如何值得尊重、 教他們如何有尊嚴

I used to see inmates behaving in a bad way.

看到這些受刑人的改變 真的是很奇妙

But some others, I encouraged them to do the program,

以及它對官員們的影響

after me, after I’ve seen the first piece of transformation,

有時我們看不到 它對受刑人的價值

after doing the Peace Education Program.

但看到他們承認這課程 對他們有用時，就很棒

So I encouraged them to do the program.

他們的行為似乎有改變

So after telling them, some of them,

他們較少生氣，攻擊性較低

I can see that indeed, even the environment inside,

溝通技巧也比較好

it is changing for the better.

我原來是個不講話的人

I witness it working by addressing the dignity in the human being,

因為我所為 令我羞愧而不向人講話

by evoking the respect for themselves.

但自從參加這個美好的 「和平教育計畫」，我就好了

And not teaching how to be respectful, not teaching how to be dignified.

現在，我認識自己

It’s so amazing and wonderful to see changes in offenders.

我生平第一次看著自己

Also the influence it has on officials.

接受自己，而且愛自己

Sometimes we don’t see the value of these programs to offenders,

那造成我生命裡重大的改變 我的觀點改變了

but when we see them

自從我參加和平課程之後 對我而言 . . .

confess the good that it has done for them, it makes it wonderful.

好像我生命裡有個東西開竅了

They’re seeing changes in behavior.

我開始明白，我曾經卡在過去

They’re seeing less anger, less aggression.

法庭、法官怎麼審判我

They’re seeing better communication skills.

我當時住的社區 . . . 等等事情

I was like a person who don’t talk.

我想也許 . . .好像 我的生命已經被剝奪了

I was like, you know,

但自從參加「和平教育計畫」

I was ashamed to talk to people, because of what I did.

我開始明白到

But since I’ve done this wonderful program,

｢不，沒人剝奪我的生命 或拿走我的和平｣

the Peace Education, I’m good.

最重要的是，我必需享受生命

Now I know, I know myself.

外面有人說｢我不幸｣

For the first time in my life, I started looking at myself,

｢你為何不幸？｣｢哦，因為我窮｣

accepting myself and actually loving myself.

｢哦，我不幸，因為﹒﹒﹒

And that made a huge difference in my life.

我的村子把我攆出去了｣ ｢我不幸因為這樣，因為那樣｣

It changed my whole outlook.

有七十五億人

Since I started to attend the peace talks, it has been to me

每一個人都有一個藉口 說他們為何不幸

like something has opened in my life.

而我很震驚

Because I started to realize that I was stuck in the past.

因為那些說自己不幸的人 其實是極為幸運的

How did the court, the judge judged me…

他們為何極為幸運？

the community I’m coming from… all those things.

說對了，沒錯！ 你活著

And I thought maybe, it looks as if my life has been taken away.

只要你活著

But since I started to do Peace Education Program,

你就可以做選擇

I started to realize that,

這場遊戲還沒結束呢

“No. Nobody ever take my life away, or my peace away.”

只要你活著

The most important thing is, I must enjoy my life.

你就還有希望

Outside there are people who go, “I’m not fortunate.”

只要你還活著，這場戲尚未結束

– “Well, why aren’t you fortunate?” – “Oh, I am poor.”

參加這個計畫的人 和不參加的人是不同的

“Oh, I’m not fortunate because, you know,

你看他們的行為 他們比較鎮定、先思考才行動

“my village has kicked me out.”

未參加這計畫的人，我們一瞧他們， 他們就自認自己什麼都不對

“I’m not fortunate because of this.” “I’m not fortunate because of this.”

參加過「和平計畫」的受刑人 ，和沒參加者 相比，我們一跟他們講話就看到有影響

And there are 7.5 billion people

我一認識這個「和平教育計畫」

and every one of them has an excuse

我就知道我真的找回了自己

of why they’re not fortunate.

我找到真實的我

And I’m stunned.

我當時不了解他們所談的和平 已經在我內心了

Because all those people who are saying they are not fortunate

我都忽視它，問題是我都忽視它

are incredibly fortunate.

我在監獄裡得到的知識

And why are they incredibly fortunate?

遠勝於我在監獄裡所花的時間

There you go. Bingo! You are alive.

我看著人們的臉、人們的眼睛

And so far you are alive,

那些人也許做了最恐怖的事情

you get to make choices.

我可以看到 . . .希望

The game isn’t over yet.

而不是 . . . 空洞的希望

So far you are alive,

不是別人告訴他們的希望

you are on.

而是感覺到希望 他們無法不感覺到

So far you are alive, it is not over.

我學到很多東西 我學到我內在自我的知識

There’s a difference between somebody who attended this program and who didn’t.

認識你真正的自己 是很奇妙的

You see the way they behave.

我如果以前就知道 我就不會來這裡了

They’re more calm. They think through before they react.

一個人若要找到和平 . . . 就是要找到他們的內在

While somebody who hasn’t done the program,

那是無價的 在任何情況之下都不必付費

immediately when we see them,

一個人只要 向他們內在去尋找即可

they’re assuming everything is wrong with them.

有了它，喜悅和快樂就來了

So, there is an impact that we see

我們都需要喜悅

when we are speaking to an offender who has attended the Peace Program,

我們喜好快樂，我們喜好自由

compared to an offender who hasn’t done it.

此刻，我人還在囚房裡 卻得到了好多自由

The first moment I knew about this Peace Education Program,

有了這個東西，我得到了很多

I realized that I indeed found myself.

記住，有越多受刑人參與

I found who I am.

個人和矯正單位 都受益

I didn’t know that this peace that they were talking about,

因為那與轉化、改變有關

I was having it already in my heart.

所以我們要更多受刑人參與 要更多受刑人出去

But I was ignoring it. The problem is I was ignoring it.

要記得，這些問題是來自外面

The knowledge I have gained behind bars,

他們來到這裡，是因為外面的環境

it’s more than…

他們若找到內心的和平 是好的

it’s far much greater than the time I’m spending behind bars.

雖然這個處境不理想 但至少他們可以出去說﹒﹒﹒

I’ve looked into people’s faces, into their eyes,

｢各位，不必到監獄才能學到這｣

people who’ve probably done the most horrendous things.

｢這是你自然可以做的事｣

And I just see

所以，我們繼續這個課程 是極為重要的

I see hope.

受刑人聽他講話，他們看到 他去拜訪別的矯正所

And not

他們說｢普仁羅華 可能來到我們的矯正所嗎？｣

an empty hope.

是的，確實是有可能的

Not a hope, because someone’s been told to hope.

他在2012年來過

Hope, because they’re feeling it. And they can’t help feeling it.

很多人從不相信 . . .

I’ve learned a lot.

這麼高檔的人 . . .

I’ve gained knowledge about my inner self.

居然會來到矯正所跟受刑人講話

And it’s amazing to know who you are.

並幫助他們 步上改過自新的路途

Because, if I knew that before, I wouldn’t be here.

真令人興奮！ 我等不及要見普仁羅華

For one to find peace, it’s all about…

事實上，我一聽到 普仁羅華要來拜訪我們

one to find it within himself.

我就睡不著，而今天他要來了

It is priceless. It requires not any circumstance to be paid.

哇！當然我想要見普仁羅華

No, it’s something that one has to search within himself.

我第一次要見他，我好高興

With it, that’s where joy and happiness is.

我很高興來見這個人 這位國際人道主義者、和平大使

We definitely all need joy.

我等不及要見他

And we love to have happiness. We love freedom.

我認為我們都非常榮幸 . . .

So, at this moment, I have gained so much freedom,

能有普仁羅華來這裡

when I’m still in the bondage.

我記得 他在2012年來到這個大廳

So, with this, I have gain a lot.

因此，我們是最幸運的人

Remember, the more offenders are engaged in it,

我回到這裡，因為我想要來

there are benefits for both themselves as individual and the department.

但願我所要說的話 能夠幫助你們

Because, that is about transformation. That’s about change.

我不是來當法官

So, we want more offenders to participate.

也不是來改變你們的信仰

And we want more offenders to go out.

我不是來做那些事情

Because, remember, some of these issues,

我來是因為我是一個人

they’re from outside.

而你也是一個人

They came in being angry because of the outside environment.

我們是人

So, for them to find inner peace in the center, it’s a benefit for us.

我來這裡告訴你，你在這裡也能夠快樂

It’s not an ideal situation.

你相信我嗎？

But at least, they are the ones to go out and say,

因為除非你明白 快樂和你的處境無關

“Guys, you don’t need to be in prison to learn about peace.

不然你一離開這裡就會 開始做些事讓你又回到這裡

“It’s something you can do naturally, yourself.”

快樂與你有無任何東西無關

And so, it is very much imperative that we continue with this program.

快樂是當你和自己聯繫上時

Inmates listen to him,

選擇吧

and they see videos of him having visited other correctional facilities.

選擇和平，而不是混亂

And they say, “Would there be a possibility

選擇愛，而不是恨

“that Prem Rawat could come to our correctional facility?”

選擇尊重，而不是漠視

And, yes, there definitely is that possibility.

選擇清楚，而不是迷惑

He visited in 2012.

你就會找到 . . . 發現你的力量

And for many people, they never believed

當你離開這裡時，你還是需要同樣的力量

that such a high-ranking person

那是個奇妙的感覺

would take the time to come and talk to inmates

他提醒我們，我們是人 而且內在有良善

in a correctional facility.

你的選擇

And help them in their journey of rehabilitation.

在於你

It’s so exciting! And I can’t wait to meet Prem Rawat.

在於你

As a matter of fact, from the time I have heard

無論你想要什麼

that Prem Rawat will visit us,

所有的牌都已攤開在那裡 所有的牌都已攤開

I couldn’t sleep till the day he’s coming, today.

所有的牌都已攤開

Wow! Please, I want to meet Prem Rawat, of course.

那就是我要說的

This is my first time. And, I’m happy.

現在你如果有話要向我說

I’m very happy to see that man,

如果你有問題要問我 就問吧

to see that international humanitarian, to see that Peace Ambassador.

羅華先生 自從我參加這場節目

I can’t wait to see him.

改變了很多

I think it’s an honor and privilege for us all,

你讓我得到自在

to have Mr. Prem Rawat with us.

協助我的輔導員可以告訴你

You’ll remember that he was here in 2012,

我來到這裡時，是一個憤怒的人

in the very same hall.

但參加了這個課程之後

So we’re the luckiest people.

我明白到，我以前都責怪別人 而不是自己

I’m back here

而我需要寬恕我自己 才能找到我內在的和平

because I wanted to come,

同時，我也想說 我們和這裡的職員是同舟共濟的

hoping that what I have to say will help you.

我想要問你 . . .

I’m not here as a judge.

這裡的職員參加這個課程 難道不也有價值嗎？

I’m not here

你說這些話 很有意思

to convert you to something.

因為在我來這裡之前

I’m not here for any of those things.

我和這裡的職員見面

I’m here because I’m a human being

他們告訴我

and you are a human being.

這個和平教育計畫也觸及他們

Human being.

我很高興你自己願意做努力

I’m here to tell you, you can be happy here.

是的！職員們也需要

Do you believe me?

但我要說的是，不管你的處境如何

Because unless you understand

你存在

that the happiness has nothing to do with your circumstances,

無論你的處境如何 都要找到你的自由、你的喜悅

when you get out of here, you will start doing things

這才是自在之道

that will end you right back in here.

如果你明白自覺的價值

Happiness has nothing to do with what you have and don’t have.

天呀，你得進了這監獄 才能了解到這件事情

Happiness is when you are in touch with yourself.

要感激呀！

Choose.

因為有很多人

Choose peace over chaos.

外頭有很多人不在監獄裡

Choose love over hate.

他們搞不清楚 什麼是自覺

Choose respect over disregard.

所以，要做一位摔了跤 而能檢起某個東西的人

Choose clarity over confusion.

看｢我檢到了什麼！｣

And you will find,

要做那樣的人

discover your power.

還有別人嗎？ 請說

And that’s the same power you’re going to need

我名叫安德斯

when you get out of here.

羅華先生 我想要讚賞你所做的工作

It was an amazing feeling.

我在五月至七月之間 參加這個課程

He reminded us that we’re human, and we have good inside.

它讓我對生命有不同的看法

Your choice.

因為我們的命運在改變

Up to you.

我們知道我們是為何而活

Up to you.

你無法改變我的過去

Whatever it is

你可以幫助我，改變我的未來

that you want,

感謝您

there it is, all the cards are open.

羅華先生

All the cards are open.

我有很多問題，但我只問三個

All the cards are open.

第一個問題 我們內在的這力量、能量、和平

So,

我要你告訴我，它是從哪裡來的？

that’s what I wanted to say.

我從「和平教育計畫」裡學到 我們天生就有它

Now,

是誰給我們這力量的源頭？

if you have anything you want to say to me

第二問題是

or if you have any question for me, we’ll do that.