Name: 傑弗瑞·愛潑斯坦如何欺騙全美國？| 今日解密 (How Jeffrey Epstein fooled America | Today, Explained)
Uploaded: 2026-03-06T16:42:23.000Z
Duration: 24 min 20 s

Hi, and welcome to Today Explained Saturday.

嗨，歡迎來到 Today Explained Saturday。

未來進行式

every week I'll be talking to someone in the news, in the culture, or just exploring an idea I can't get out of my head.

每週我會找一位新聞界、文化界的朋友，或是探討一個我一直想不透的想法來聊聊。

Now, this week is a little different because I have something embarrassing to admit.

這週有點不一樣，因為我得承認一件有點糗的事。

I have not really followed the Epstein files as closely as I should have.

我其實沒有像我該做的那樣，密切關注 Epstein 的檔案。

I've seen people losing their jobs, the former Prince Andrew getting arrested.

我看到有人丟了工作，前王室成員 Andrew 被逮捕。

But like most Americans, I haven't sorted through all those documents separated truth and fiction, and

但就像大多數美國人一樣，我沒有去整理那些文件，分辨真假，而且

所以這週，我們決定來好好研究一下。

但首先，我們從一個練習開始。

I wanted to write out everything I already knew about Epstein, the things I know to be true.

我想把所有我已經知道關於 Epstein 的事寫下來，那些我知道是真的。

So I can also create a list of questions I still had to give it to an expert.

這樣我也可以列出我還有哪些問題，然後交給專家。

One, Epstein was a monster, a convicted sexual predator, first in 2008 and arrested again in 2019.

第一，Epstein 是個惡魔，一個被定罪的性侵犯，2008 年第一次被定罪，2019 年再次被逮捕。

The second thing I know is that Jeffrey Epstein was ridiculously rich, and

第二件事我知道的是，Jeffrey Epstein 非常有錢，而且

he got rich by handling other people's money.

他是透過管理別人的錢來賺錢的。

He was a financier, a money manager for folks like Leslie Wexner, the Victoria's Secret mogul who took that brand nationwide.

他是一位金融家，為像 Leslie Wexner 這樣的人管理資金，這位 Victoria's Secret 的大亨讓這個品牌紅遍全國。

The third thing I know is that Epstein kept a group of famous rich guys around him.

第三件事我知道的是，Epstein 身邊總是圍繞著一群有錢的名人。

Folks like Elon Musk, Bill Gates, the former Prince Andrew, and, of course, Donald Trump.

像是 Elon Musk、Bill Gates、前王子 Andrew，當然還有 Donald Trump。

Epstein also kept a group of elite enablers, people who are at the top of the legal and finance fields.

Epstein 身邊還圍繞著一群精英幫凶，都是法律和金融界的頂尖人物。

And they were crucial to him being able to last without justice for so long.

他們對他能長期逍遙法外至關重要。

Folks like Kathy Ruemmler, Jeff Staley, and Brad Karp.

像是 Kathy Ruemmler、Jeff Staley 和 Brad Karp 這類人。

The other thing I know about Epstein is that his life and death was shrouded in conspiracy.

關於 Epstein，我還知道一件事，就是他的生平與死因籠罩在陰謀論中。

There were questions about whether he used the information he knew for blackmail against powerful people, whether he was a government agent or linked to a national spy agency.

有人質疑他是否利用所知的資訊來勒索權貴，或者他是否是政府線人，或是與國家間諜機構有關聯。

The other thing that of course, swirls around him is the question of whether he actually killed himself.

當然，圍繞著他的另一個問題是，他到底是不是自殺的。

That led me to some things I wanted to know immediately, some questions I wanted to take to an expert.

這讓我立刻想知道一些事情，想問問專家。

First, what took so long for these files to come out?

首先，這些檔案為什麼這麼久才公開？

Second, how many of the people in Jeffrey Epstein's circle were hanging out with him post conviction?

其次，Jeffrey Epstein 的朋友圈裡，有多少人在他被定罪後還和他來往？

How aware were they of his sex trafficking?

The third thing I want to know is how much did his life as a money manager overlap with his activities as a trafficker?

第三件事我想知道的是，他身為金錢經理人的生活，有多少部分與他作為人口販子的活動重疊？

Why were his elite enablers so attached to him?

為什麼那些權貴的幫凶們如此依賴他？

And the last thing, and maybe the most important is what does justice for the survivors look like?

最後一件，也是或許最重要的一件事，倖存者們的公道是什麼樣子？

So I decided to call up Tara Palmeri, independent journalist.

於是我決定打電話給獨立記者 Tara Palmeri。

Palmeri is an expert on the Epstein files.

She's dedicated several years to reporting on them.

她花了數年時間報導這些檔案。

She has talked and interviewed the victims, broke down legal documents, and

她訪談過受害者，剖析過法律文件，並且

untangled the web of influence that surrounds Epstein.

釐清了圍繞著 Epstein 的權力網絡。

And I also think Palmeri represents something important.

我也認為 Palmeri 代表了某些重要的意義。

The independent journalists who have basically followed it from the beginning and made sure the public got answers, because it was the independent journalists who were putting the pieces together, maybe before mainstream news ever was.

那些從一開始就追蹤這件事，並且確保大眾得到答案的獨立記者，因為是他們拼湊出真相，甚至可能比主流媒體還早。

You know, I think that you're the person, perfect person for us to chat with.

我覺得你就是我們最適合聊這個話題的人選。

You know, at the end of the day, this is about exploitation.

說到底，這一切都是關於剝削。

And your reporting has focused on advocating for the voices of these survivors.

而你的報導一直以來都聚焦在為這些倖存者發聲。

You recently wrote that the survivors remain hopeful that they might still be able to testify before Congress.

你最近寫到，倖存者們仍然抱持希望，覺得自己或許還有機會在國會作證。

I guess my first question is, why hasn't that happened yet?

我想我的第一個問題是，為什麼到現在都還沒發生？

They have reached out to Pam Bondi and they want to speak with her.

他們已經聯繫了 Pam Bondi，而且他們想跟她談談。

And in fact, around the time when the files were first released, back in December, the original deadline, one of the survivors of Epstein told me, like, we have a request with Pambondi.

事實上，在檔案剛釋出的時候，也就是十二月的最初截止日期，一位 Epstein 的倖存者告訴我，像是，我們跟 Pam Bondi 有個請求。

And I was like, well, can I report on it?

我當時就想，嗯，我可以報導這件事嗎？

Because that's news, obviously, if she's going to meet with them.

因為這當然是新聞，如果她要跟他們見面的話。

And the survivor was like, please, that's off the record.

那位倖存者就說，拜託，這是不能報導的。

We don't want to lose this chance to sit down with her and, like, really make our case, because they are genuinely hopeful and that there would.

我們不想錯過這個能和她坐下來好好陳述我們訴求的機會，因為他們真的抱持希望，而且。

And of course, she had some sort of scheduling conflict, never followed up.

當然，她有些行程衝突，從未回覆。

And as you saw in that hearing, they stood up and raised their hands when asked if any of them, like, had, like, if they had not been contacted by the FBI.

正如你在聽證會上看到的，當被問到他們之中是否有人，像是，有，像是，沒有聯繫過 FBI 時，他們站起來舉了手。

And it just seems like if this was truly an active investigation and you were following up on the leads and you would be in contact with victims who had valuable information and if you actually took their account seriously and not just seeing them as hearsay and gossip, like, I feel like that is the one thing that has been consistent throughout multiple administrations, is that they've really taken the testimonies of these victims as just, like, hearsay and gossip.

而且，如果這真的是一個正在進行的調查，而且你正在追查線索，並且會與擁有寶貴資訊的受害者聯繫，而且你真的認真看待他們的陳述，而不是僅僅將其視為傳聞和八卦，那麼，我覺得這就是歷屆政府始終如一的一點，那就是他們真的將這些受害者的證詞僅僅視為，像是，傳聞和八卦。

I mean, I'm struck on just how many times it seems as if law enforcement was close to closing in on him before his.

我的意思是，我對執法部門似乎在他被捕前，離逮捕他有多近這件事感到驚訝。

Can you isolate the kind of tipping points where, like, it seemed like in those 14 years, Jeffrey Epstein could face some sense of law enforcement or justice that he did not?

你能找出那些關鍵點嗎？在過去 14 年裡，Jeffrey Epstein 似乎有機會面臨某種執法或正義，而他並沒有。

I mean, here's a few things that I have gleaned along the way from this.

我的意思是，我從中學到了一些東西。

First of all, Marie Via F. Who was the prosecutor in charge of this in the Southern.

首先，Marie Via F.，她是南方聯邦檢察官辦公室負責此案的檢察官。

Sorry, in Florida's federal prosecutor's office.

抱歉，是佛羅裡達州聯邦檢察官辦公室。

You know, she built a serious case over years.

她多年來建立了一個嚴謹的案子。

She tracked down a lot of reluctant survivors, like, a lot of reluctant victims who felt because they were so young when they were trafficked, like.

她找出了許多不情願的倖存者，像是很多不情願的受害者，因為他們在被販運時還很年輕，像是。

Like, for example, Jane Doe 1, Courtney Wilde, showed up on Epstein's doorstep with braces on her teeth at 14.

像是，舉例來說，Jane Doe 1，Courtney Wilde，14 歲時還戴著牙套就出現在 Epstein 家門口。

And when the FBI was trying to contact her to sit down and speak with them, she ran from them.

當 FBI 試圖聯繫她坐下來談話時，她卻逃跑了。

She thought they were coming for her because he had told them that they were the ones who had committed a crime.

她以為他們是來抓她的，因為他告訴她們是她們犯了罪。

And he offered them his lawyer, like, he said, here, I'll protect you.

他還提供她們他的律師，就說，來，我會保護妳。

And she took his lawyers until she sat down with them.

她就用了他的律師，直到她們坐下來談。

And she got the feeling that they were trying to tell her that she was a prostitute.

她覺得他們好像在跟她說，她是個性工作者。

So she picked up a phone book and found Brad Edwards, who has now become the lawyer for so many of the victims.

所以她拿起電話簿，找到了 Brad Edwards，他現在成了許多受害者的律師。

it was her best friend who told the FBI about, you know, about her and her story.

還有她最好的朋友，向 FBI 說了，你知道的，關於她和她的故事。

And then when she read her best friend's deposition, she was still reluctant to testify and to help, start to cry.

然後當她讀到她最好朋友的證詞時，她還是很不情願作證和幫忙，開始哭了。

And it wasn't because the crime was committed against her, because she had become so dehumanized by this crime.

這不是因為犯罪發生在她身上，而是因為她已經被這樁罪行剝奪了太多人性。

And that is the thing about child predation and sex trafficking.

這就是關於兒童掠奪和人口販賣的真實情況。

It's so dehumanizing that so many of them, they're not running to lawyers and police and looking for help.

這種行為太過非人化了，所以許多受害者並沒有立刻去找律師或警察尋求幫助。

But when she saw that the same crime against crime that was committed against her was committed against her friend, she decided to help.

但當她看到同樣的罪行也發生在她朋友身上時，她決定伸出援手。

What do we know about the extent, if we think about three people in particular?

如果我們想想這三個人，我們對他們的瞭解有多少？

Do we know if they knew about Jeffrey Epstein sexual crimes?

我們知道他們是否知道 Jeffrey Epstein 的性犯罪嗎？

I think it would be very hard to not know, because even from the evidence that the Palm beach police pulled from his home, many of the pictures in his house were Polaroids of young girls, and

我認為很難不知道，因為根據 Palm beach 警方從他家中搜出的證據，他家裡的許多照片都是年輕女孩的寶麗來照片，而且

她們看起來很年輕，非常年輕。

Virginia Roberts Duffrey told me that when someone walked into that house in Palm beach, specifically, there were naked girls usually hanging around the pool.

Virginia Roberts Duffrey 告訴我，當有人走進 Palm beach 那棟房子時，通常會有裸體女孩在泳池邊閒晃。

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