Name: 羅·克漢納議員挑戰「艾普斯汀階級」！ | 今日解析 (Rep. Ro Khanna takes on the “Epstein class” | Today, Explained)
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Hi, and welcome to Today Explained Saturday.

嗨，歡迎來到「今日解碼」週六版。

基礎被動語態

So everybody knows our politics are divided, Democrat versus Republican, left versus right, divided on lines like age, gender, and

所以大家知道我們的政治分裂，民主黨對共和黨，左派對右派，在年齡、性別和

But the biggest divide in our politics may not be about identity at all, in my opinion.

但在我看來，我們政治上最大的分歧可能根本不是關於身分認同。

And it's only gotten more noticeable in recent months as issues like the Epstein files and questions about artificial intelligence have seemed to pit the elites against the rest of us.

在最近幾個月，隨著 Epstein files 和人工智慧相關的議題似乎將菁英階層與我們其他人對立起來，這種分歧變得更加明顯。

Congressman Ro Khanna is at the center of both of these issues.

國會議員 Ro Khanna 正是這兩大議題的核心人物。

He brought one of the survivors of Epstein's abuse to this week's State of the Union, and

他帶了一位 Epstein 受害者來到本週的國情諮文，而且

he's coined the term Epstein class, meaning the group of wealthy and connected individuals that he says deserve accountability, even if they're Democrats.

他創造了「Epstein class」這個詞，指的是他認為即使是民主黨人，那些富裕且有權勢的人也應該被追究責任。

Khanna is also the congressman from Silicon Valley, meaning he's worked with companies like Google and Meta and seen them transition over the years.

Khanna 也是來自矽谷的國會議員，這代表他跟 Google 和 Meta 這類公司共事過，也看著他們這些年來的轉變。

And he's at the forefront of one of the most important political questions of our moment.

他更是我們這個時代最重要政治議題的核心人物。

AI 會不會讓我們所有人都失業？

And is the government going to do anything about it?

So this week, I traveled to Washington, D.C.

所以這週，我來到了華盛頓特區，

to talk to Kana about this and a whole lot more.

跟 Khanna 聊聊這個，還有更多更多的事情。

Congressman o', Connor, thank you for joining me.

I want to talk to you for a lot of reasons, but specifically about two issues.

我有很多原因想跟你聊，但特別是關於兩個議題。

Most clearly, I think that with this second Trump administration, some of the big dramas have been expected, you know, over immigration, over things like the economy.

我覺得，如果川普政府再次執政，像是移民或經濟這些大事，大家其實都已經預料到會有大戲。

But things like the Epstein files and things like AI and the future of work have become these topics, and

但像是 Epstein files、AI，還有未來的工作，這些議題也都浮現了，

I feel like you are really right at the center of both of those.

我覺得你正好站在這兩者的中心。

I wanted to start with the Epstein files.

This has become such a large part of the work you're doing in Congress.

這已經成為你在國會工作的重要一部分了。

I just wanted to know where that started for you.

我只是想知道，你當初是怎麼開始關注這件事的？

How did you become a the voice for this issue or one of them?

你是怎麼成為這個議題的發聲者，或是其中之一的？

I have traveled to a lot of rural towns, factory towns.

我去過很多鄉村城鎮、工業城鎮。

I've done a lot of podcasts of Trump voters, and

我做了很多川普選民的 Podcast，

I knew that this was something that Trump campaigned on, that he was going to hold elites accountable, that rich and powerful people were getting away with breaking the law, and

我知道這是川普競選時的主張，他會讓權貴付出代價，有錢有勢的人逍遙法外，

And that's really what started my interest.

這也是我當初開始感興趣的原因。

你能跟我們說一下目前的進度嗎？

Obviously, there's been a massive document dump, but it can be hard to keep track of.

顯然，這次有大量的 Epstein files 公開，但要追蹤起來可能有點難。

How much have we gotten, how much is still out there?

我們拿到了多少，還有多少東西還沒出來？

At least 50% still has been hidden, covered up, but what has been released is shocking.

至少有 50% 的內容仍然被隱藏、掩蓋，但已經公開的部分非常驚人。

Messi and I didn't think we'd get this far.

Messi 和我都沒想到我們能走到這一步。

說真的，他們已經公開了不少東西了。

It's still that they're keeping the worst stuff.

只是他們還把最糟糕的部分藏起來。

But what they've released is not a good look at our elite class.

但他們公開的內容，並不能讓我們的權貴階級看起來有多好。

It's not a good look at the Epstein class.

Epstein class 的形象一點都不好。

I mean, these are powerful people in business in Silicon Valley and Hollywood who are visiting Epstein's island knowing young girls are being abused, knowing young girls are being raped.

說真的，這些矽谷和好萊塢的商界權貴，明知道有年輕女孩被虐待、被性侵，還去 Epstein 的島上。

They are prosecuting Lord Mendelssohn, they're prosecuting former Prince Andrew, former Prime Minister of Norway, leaders in France.

他們起訴了孟德爾松勳爵、安德魯王子、挪威前首相，還有法國的領導人。

We are seeing resignations of powerful law firm people and powerful banks.

我們看到許多大型律師事務所和銀行的高層紛紛請辭。

But we have not yet seen investigations and prosecutions.

Yeah, we haven't seen that level of accountability, particularly legal accountability here.

是的，我們還沒看到那樣層級的問責，尤其是在法律上的問責。

But I know that you've been focused on a couple of documents, most specifically the 302 victim interview statements, the prosecutor memo from 2007.

不過我知道你一直關注著幾份文件，特別是 302 受害者訪談記錄，還有 2007 年的檢察官備忘錄。

I wanted to know for the documents you've both been focused on, have we gotten those?

我想知道，對於你們倆都關注的文件，我們收到了嗎？

It's not just the F. The 302 statements of the survivors about the President.

不只是 F。還有 302 聲明，是倖存者對總統的指控。

It's the survivors statements about the many men who may have abused or raped them.

這是倖存者對許多可能虐待或強姦她們的男人的聲明。

A lot of those 302 files have been redacted and we need to get that information.

許多 302 文件都經過刪節，我們需要取得這些資訊。

That's where the survivors tell us who were the men who abused them.

這就是倖存者告訴我們，是哪些男人虐待了她們的地方。

And the prosecution memo tells us why these charges were not brought.

而起訴備忘錄告訴我們，為什麼這些指控沒有被提出。

I mean, obviously your pressure, political pressure, public pressure is.

我的意思是，很明顯你們的壓力、政治壓力、公眾壓力是。

I mean, is there like some magic solution that can get you at least the documents you're most looking for?

我的意思是，有沒有那種神奇的解決辦法，至少能讓你們拿到最想找的文件？

Well, first of all, the public pressure has worked, right?

嗯，首先，公眾壓力確實奏效了，對吧？

It worked from Donald Trump saying, absolutely not, not going to sign this bill to signing a Democrats bill.

它讓原本說絕對不簽這法案的川普，最後簽了民主黨的法案。

I mean, who would have thought that the most significant piece of Democratic legislation that Donald Trump would sign would be the Epstein Transparency Act?

我的意思是，誰能想到川普簽署最重要的民主黨法案，竟然是 Epstein Transparency Act？

And it's worked in terms of, first they dumped documents that were total junk in December and now they've had a real release.

而且這也奏效了，他們一開始在十二月丟出一些根本沒用的文件，現在則是有真正的文件公開。

It's not a full release, but it's a real release.

雖然不是全部公開，但確實是公開了。

So we need to continue the public pressure to get them to drip by drip, give us more of these documents.

所以我們需要持續施壓，讓他們一點一點地，給我們更多這些文件。

You mentioned your work with Congressman Thomas Massie, who obviously that relationship has been critical for the success of you all's advocacy year.

你提到了你跟國會議員 Thomas Massie 的合作，顯然這段關係對你們的倡議工作一年來的成功至關重要。

那這個合作是怎麼發展起來的？

It was because of our work against these overseas wars.

這是因為我們反對這些海外戰爭的努力。

這件事沒有受到太多關注，但是

next week we're going to force a vote to stop the war in Iran.

下個禮拜我們要強行表決，停止對伊朗的戰爭。

We do not like America getting into wars overseas.

我們不喜歡美國捲入海外戰爭。

We think that's a waste of our money, it's a waste of the lives of our soldiers.

我們認為那是浪費我們的錢，也是浪費我們阿兵哥的生命。

And that certainly Congress should be saying whether we should go to war or not.

而且國會當然應該決定我們是否要去打仗。

So that's really where our friendship came in.

這就是我們的友誼真正開始的地方。

Now, of course, I've gotten to know him personally.

當然，現在我個人也認識他了。

I have gotten to see him when he lost his wife.

我在他失去太太的時候也見過他。

I mean, I, you know, you get to know someone on a personal level when you work with them.

我的意思是，你知道，當你和某人一起工作時，你會在個人層面上認識他們。

I think one of the reasons people have really like, you know, have been focused on this relationship is because it seems more and more rare to see Democrats and Republicans kind of pushing for similar issue, even if they have other disagreements.

我認為人們真的很喜歡，你知道，一直關注這段關係的原因之一是，越來越少見到民主黨人和共和黨人在有其他分歧的情況下，還會推動類似的議題。

You know, I want to do want to ask about the war powers resolution that you all are introducing.

你知道，我想問一下你們正在提出的戰爭權力決議案。

Obviously, Donald Trump has made very clear that he is considering strikes on Iran.

顯然，唐納·川普已經非常清楚地表示，他正在考慮對伊朗進行打擊。

Would that war powers resolution, I mean, what is the likelihood that it could, what is the likelihood that they could pass and could force Donald Trump to require to, to listen to Congress ahead of something like an Iran strike?

那個戰爭權力決議案，我的意思是，它通過的可能性有多大，他們能夠通過並迫使唐納·川普在類似伊朗打擊之前聽取國會意見的可能性有多大？

We will keep most of the Democratic coalition, I think probably 95 to 97%, and

我認為我們將保留大部分的民主黨聯盟，大概是 95% 到 97%，

然後我們可能會爭取到一些共和黨人。

But is this issue different than like Venezuela or other times it's come up like it's, it's a more of a commitment for the United States.

但這個議題跟委內瑞拉或其他類似情況不一樣嗎？美國的承諾會比較大嗎？

I mean, I didn't agree with what we did in Venezuela, but

我是說，我不同意我們在委內瑞拉做的事，但

you could say that's in our hemisphere and it wasn't a long drawn out war.

你可以說那在我們半球，而且那不是一場曠日持久的戰爭。

This is a country in the Middle east that has 90 million people that if we want to topple the regime, would take many, many troops.

這是中東一個有九千萬人口的國家，如果我們要推翻政權，需要很多很多的軍隊。

Even the Joint Chiefs has said that Keynes, that this is not like Venezuela.

就連參謀長聯席會議也說了，凱恩斯，這跟委內瑞拉不一樣。

This is exactly what Donald Trump ran against.

這正是唐納·川普當時反對的。

他說不要再有無止盡的戰爭了。

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