Name: Z世代男性想生小孩，女性卻不想？| The Gray Area (Gen Z men want babies. Gen Z women don’t. | The Gray Area)
Uploaded: 2026-03-05T16:45:33.000Z
Duration: 30 min 53 s

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What was it about this topic that drew you in?

是什麼樣的主題讓你對它產生興趣？

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What were you looking for when you like, started reporting on this piece on how like Gen Z, men and women are thinking about parenthood and how differently, overwhelmingly, you'll see young men more excited, more enthusiastic about having children one day than young women?

當你開始報導關於 Gen Z 的男性和女性對於生兒育女的想法，以及為什麼你會發現年輕男性比年輕女性更期待、更熱衷於未來擁有孩子時，你當時在尋找什麼？

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I wanted to dig into it a little bit and I also wanted to ask some young men and sort of people who work with and do polling on young men, like, what does that mean, like, you want kids?

我想深入瞭解一下，也想問一些年輕男性，還有跟年輕男性一起工作、做民意調查的人，像是「你想要小孩，這代表什麼意思？」

Like, what kind of a father do you want to be?

你想要成為一個什麼樣的父親？

Does that mean you want to be an involved father and really spending a lot of time with your kids?

這是否意味著你想成為一個投入的父親，花很多時間陪伴你的孩子？

Are you imagining like some kind of trad lifestyle where like you have a stay at home wife and you're going out to the office?

你是在想像某種傳統的生活方式，像是你有一位全職太太，而你則外出上班嗎？

My guest today is Anna north, my longtime colleague at vox, who I'm ashamed to say I've not had on the show before, but we are riding that ship today.

我今天的來賓是 Anna North，我在 Vox 的老同事，我慚愧地說我之前從來沒有請她上過節目，但今天我們要一起來聊聊。

She writes about kids, parenthood, American family life.

她寫關於孩子、育兒、美國家庭生活。

How would you introduce yourself at a party?

你會在派對上怎麼介紹你自己？

I guess I'd say I'm a reporter and a writer, journalist and novelist.

我想我會說我是一名記者、作家、新聞工作者，還有小說家。

Kids, families, parenthood, a lot of gender politics.

孩子、家庭、育兒，還有很多性別政治議題。

I mean, that's, it's a pretty, pretty broad area to cover.

我覺得，這確實是一個涵蓋範圍很廣的領域。

I'm not sure that's a typical beat in a lot of newsrooms.

我不太確定這是不是很多新聞編輯室裡典型的採訪範圍。

I mean, how did you, how did you land on that?

我想問，你是怎麼、怎麼決定做這個的？

Yeah, I came to VOX as the gender reporter in 2017.

是的，我在 2017 年以性別議題記者身分加入 VOX。

That was sort of right when MeToo was becoming really big.

那時候 MeToo 運動正開始變得非常盛大。

And so I reported on that for about a year almost exclusively.

所以我幾乎獨家報導了將近一年的 MeToo 相關新聞。

And since then I sort of do a lot of things, but a lot of it circles around, you know, I typically call it American Family Life.

從那之後我做了很多事情，但很多都圍繞著，你知道的，我通常稱之為「美國家庭生活」。

I write a newsletter called Kids Today, which I think of really as a newsletter about kids lives, like, not so much about parenting.

我寫了一個叫做「Kids Today」的電子報，我認為它其實是關於孩子們生活的電子報，而不是那麼多關於育兒。

There's a lot of really great parenting newsletters out there.

市面上有很多很棒的育兒電子報。

And I try to steer clear of advice and instead, as much as I can, just to talk to kids about their experiences and learn about what kids are experiencing right now.

我試著避免提供建議，而是盡我所能，只是跟孩子們聊聊他們的經歷，瞭解他們現在正在經歷些什麼。

And I've also kind of like been trying to have more empathy for children and figure out what it's like to be a kid today.

而我也試著對孩子們多一點同理心，去了解現在當個小孩是什麼樣的感覺。

When I had kids, I realized like how powerless you are as a kid and how other people dictate so much of your daily life.

當我有了自己的孩子，我才發現，身為一個孩子有多麼無力，以及別人在多大程度上決定了你日常生活的點點滴滴。

I find myself a lot of times, like trying to get in their headspace and think about what is that like?

我發現自己常常試著進入他們的想法，去思考那是什麼樣的感覺？

And how do kids take back a little power?

孩子們要如何拿回一點點自主權呢？

I have one six year old and another one on the way actually.

我有一個六歲的，還有一個即將出生。

Like they can dress themselves, you know, you'll be fine.

像是他們可以自己穿衣服，你知道的，你會沒事的。

Okay, I'm mostly excited, but a little different.

好的，我大部分是很興奮，但也有點不一樣。

Speaking of kids and having them, you've got a piece out about Gen Z and their evolving views on parenthood, which I found very interesting and surprising in some ways and maybe not so surprising in other ways.

說到小孩和生小孩，你有一篇文章是關於 Gen Z 對於為人父母的觀念轉變，我覺得很有趣，有些地方讓我驚訝，有些地方又好像不意外。

What was it about this topic that drew in?

是什麼讓你對這個主題感興趣呢？

Was there something like some mystery you felt like you needed to solve?

是不是有什麼像謎團一樣，你覺得需要去解開？

Like what were you, what were you looking for when you like started reporting on this piece on how like Gen Z men and women are thinking about parenthood and how differently they're thinking about parenthood?

像是你，當你開始報導這篇關於 Gen Z 男性和女性對為人父母的看法，以及他們如何不同地看待為人父母這件事時，你到底在尋找什麼？

Yeah, no, I saw this really interesting poll of young voters, Gen Z voters, and it looked at male Trump voters, male Harris voters, female Trump voters and female Harris voters and asked them to rank, like, what are the things you think are important in a good life, essentially?

嗯，我看到一份對年輕選民，也就是 Gen Z 選民的非常有趣的民調，它觀察了支持川普的男性選民、支持賀錦麗的男性選民、支持川普的女性選民和支持賀錦麗的女性選民，然後請他們排序，像是，對你來說，生活中重要的事情有哪些？

And the male Trump voters actually rated having children as number one among like 12 or 13 different options.

而支持川普的男性選民，在 12 到 13 個不同的選項中，竟然把「生小孩」排在第一名。

Not any of the women, no matter how they voted, and not male Harris voters either.

無論是女性選民，不管她們怎麼投票，還是支持賀錦麗的男性選民都沒有。

And you know, like, then I did some reporting on that poll and people said like, well, it's just one poll, maybe you shouldn't put too much stock in it.

你知道嗎，然後我對這份民調做了一些報導，有人說，嗯，這只是一份民調，你可能不應該太看重它。

But then if you look across polls, overwhelmingly you'll see young men more excited, more enthusiastic about having children one day than young women.

但如果你看看其他的民調，你會發現，絕大多數年輕男性比年輕女性更期待、更熱衷於未來擁有小孩。

And I could think of a lot of possible reasons why that might be, but I wanted to dig into it a little bit.

我可以想到很多可能的原因，但我想深入探討一下。

And I also wanted to ask some young men and sort of people who work with and do polling on young men, like, what does that mean?

我也想問一些年輕男性，還有一些跟年輕男性一起工作、做民調的人，像是，這代表什麼意思？

Like what kind of a father do you want to be?

Does that mean you want to be an involved father and really spending a lot of time with your kids, are you imagining like some kind of trad lifestyle where like you have a stay at home wife and you're going out to the office?

這是不是代表你想要成為一個全心投入、花很多時間陪伴孩子的父親，還是你想像的是一種傳統生活方式，老婆在家，你出去上班？

I was just very curious about like what fatherhood meant to these Gen Z men who like, are very excited to do it one day.

我只是很好奇，對於這些非常期待未來能成為父親的 Gen Z 男性來說，父親的意義是什麼。

I have the, the numbers here and I don't want to butcher it, so I'm going to look at it.

數據在這裡，我不想搞砸，所以我要看一下。

So this was a 2023 Pew poll and 57% of men between 18 and 34 said they wanted to have kids one day, like definitively.

這是 2023 年 Pew 的一項民調，18 到 34 歲的男性中有 57% 表示他們明確表示有一天想要小孩。

I guess I just would have assumed that those numbers would have been just closer.

我猜我本來會以為這些數字會比較接近。

I was kind of surprised by that as, as you say, I thought it was a pretty big gap, especially given that the narrative that I think we had heard about young Gen Z people generally over the last couple years is this is a generation that doesn't want kids.

我有點驚訝，就像你說的，我以為這是一個很大的差距，特別是考慮到過去幾年我們聽到的關於年輕 Gen Z 人群的說法是，這是一個不想生小孩的世代。

This generation doesn't want to get married.

This is a generation that's like really worried about the future and like feel alienated and doesn't sort of want to take these steps toward conventional family.

這世代對未來感到非常擔憂，覺得疏離，而且不太想朝著傳統家庭邁出這些步伐。

And so I thought it was interesting that these high numbers of Gen Z men were saying like, no, actually we do want kids.

所以我覺得很有趣的是，有這麼多 Gen Z 男性說，不，其實我們想要小孩。

If you dig back into the historical polling, it's a little wonky.

如果你深入研究過去的民調，會有點奇怪。

There's some evidence that women without children for a long time have been a little bit, had a little bit more trepidation than men without children.

有一些證據顯示，沒有小孩的女性長期以來比沒有小孩的男性稍微有點猶豫。

And partly that's for reasons that make sense.

Like they know that their careers could take a hit.

像是她們知道自己的事業可能會受到影響。

They've all, they've all read those articles about the motherhood penalty.

他們都看過那些關於「母職懲罰」的文章。

They know that they will probably have to give birth, which men don't have to do, you know, and deal with physical recovery and sort of deal with all of the stereotyping and stigmatizing that comes with like having a female body that becomes a mother in this world.

他們知道自己大概得經歷懷孕生子，這點男性不用，你知道的，還要面對身體的恢復，還有在這個世界上，當個母親的女性身體會面臨的各種刻板印象和汙名化。

So it's like not weird that young women might have more anxieties.

所以年輕女性可能會比較焦慮，這也不奇怪。

But I think what was striking to me was the size of the gap and really the size of the enthusiasm among men of a generation that are expressing this like, pretty like, you know, conventional, conventional and pretty like social aspiration to have a family.

但我覺得讓我驚訝的是這個差距有多大，以及那些男性表達的熱情有多高，他們是個世代，表達著一種相當傳統、相當社會化的家庭願望。

Having kids is just really hard and it's really expensive, increasingly expensive, especially if you live, I mean, when we lived in the D.C. area before we moved, we had a six month old daycare was $2,000 a month, a preschool, $2,000 a month.

生小孩真的很難，而且真的很貴，越來越貴，尤其如果你住在，我是說，我們搬家前住在 D.C. 區域的時候，我們六個月大的時候，託兒所一個月要兩千塊美金，學前班一個月也要兩千塊美金。

I, I understand why people look at that and go, you know, I can't afford a house.

我明白為什麼有些人看到這個會說，你知道，我買不起房子。

Like, I, this is, this is a burden I can't take on even if I want to.

像是，我，我承受不了這個負擔，即使我想要。

And you talk to a lot of, you know, there are several young men quoted in the piece.

然後你跟很多，你知道，文章裡引用了好幾個年輕男性。

How do you explain their increased interest?

你該怎麼解釋他們興趣的增加呢？

Why are Gen Z men, like, increasingly fired up about being a dad?

為什麼 Gen Z 的男性，好像越來越熱衷於當爸爸？

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