Name: 柯南·歐布萊恩如何掌控對話！ (How Conan O'Brien Controls a Conversation)
Uploaded: 2026-02-18T21:44:39.000Z
Duration: 13 min 31 s

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There were, yeah, some really, really dark moments.

真的，嗯，有些非常非常黑暗的時刻。

And then I did Charlie Rose's show last April.

然後我去年四月上了 Charlie Rose 的節目。

NBC rocked the entertainment world by picking an unknown comic and writer to replace David Letterman.

NBC 選擇了一位不知名的喜劇演員兼編劇來接替 David Letterman，這讓娛樂界為之震驚。

The top TV critic in the world just wrote this piece and here's what it says.

世界上最頂尖的電視評論家寫了一篇文章，內容是這樣的。

You know, it's not working for him as a critic.

你知道，這對他作為評論家來說並不管用。

Yeah, sometimes I'll read things and I'll say, I agree, it's, you know, and

是啊，有時候我會讀到一些東西，然後我會說，我同意，你知道，而且

it was a just absolutely brutal takedown of me, Andy, the comedy, everything.

這完全是對我、Andy、喜劇，所有的一切，一次殘酷的抨擊。

How does someone go from being relentlessly criticized to being universally praised?

一個人要如何從被無情批評，變成被大家讚賞呢？

I mean, here's a guy who fell into a deep, dark period within his personal life because he was at the time, the laughingstock of late night.

我是說，這傢伙因為當時是深夜秀的眾矢之的，而陷入了個人生活的黑暗時期。

I'm now acquainted with every bad picture of me ever taken.

我現在對我所有最醜的照片都瞭若指掌了。

They went into my past and literally got like awful pictures from the dmv, you know, and

他們挖出我的過去，還真的找來了 DMV 的爛照片，你知道，然後

put them in the newspapers and everywhere.

我是說，對啊，他們去挖了我的。

Which is everyone's nightmare, that they go to your house with a camera crew when you're not there and talk to your mom.

這根本是大家的惡夢，他們在你不在家的時候，帶著攝影團隊去你家，然後跟你的媽媽說話。

First of all, to say that it doesn't bother me would be, I think, like the rest of us, I'm human.

說實話，如果說這不會困擾我，我想，就像其他人一樣，我也是個人。

You know, it always rattles me somewhat when someone says, I think his hair looks ridiculous.

你知道，當有人說，我覺得他的頭髮看起來很荒謬時，我總會有點被動搖。

You know, there's a little part of you that says, gee, does my hair look ridiculous?

你知道，你心裡總會有一個小小的聲音說，天啊，我的頭髮看起來真的很荒謬嗎？

一個坐立不安、明顯緊張的男人。

I gotta admit that this is a little unusual.

And seemed overly eager to get the ball rolling during each interview.

而且在每次訪談中似乎都過於急切地想開始。

A man who had no idea whether or not his career would.

一個完全不知道自己的事業是否會。

I just need to lie here under the desk for a while yet.

我只是需要在這裡的桌子底下再躺一會兒。

to a huge portion of late night fans, he's one of the greatest hosts of all time.

對於絕大多數的深夜節目粉絲來說，他是史上最偉大的主持人之一。

I am the beneficiary of literally hundreds and hundreds of really talented, amazing people.

我受惠於成百上千位才華洋溢、很棒的人們。

So you wonder, how could a man so effectively turn the tides?

所以你會想，一個人怎麼能如此有效地扭轉局勢？

The thing is, Conan o' Brien is the kind of person who makes everyone around him completely comfortable.

關鍵是，Conan O'Brien 是那種能讓身邊每個人都感到自在的人。

let's compare the start of his inner interviews with, say, Jimmy Kimmel.

我們來比較一下他早期訪談的開場，跟 Jimmy Kimmel 比比看。

Jonah Hill was always known to be deeply insecure and after losing the weight, still struggled with self esteem.

Jonah Hill 一直以來都以極度缺乏安全感聞名，減重後仍然為自尊心所苦。

So you think surely Kimmel would know how to open with a guy who has issues with his self confidence, and

所以你會想，Kimmel 肯定知道該如何跟一個有自信問題的人展開訪談，

First of all, you smell good, which is surprising.

首先，你聞起來很香，這還挺讓人意外的。

I just wouldn't think of you a guy who would have a nice scent on.

我就是沒想到你會是那種身上會有好聞味道的人。

Like, I'm gonna really work hard to not take that as a shot, you know what I mean?

就像，我會很努力不去把那當成是攻擊，你知道我的意思嗎？

And Jonah Hill, to his credit, handles it with pure class and even clarifies to Jimmy that he's put in the work and care to help himself cope with the feelings of inadequacy.

而 Jonah Hill 也很識大體，他很從容地應對，甚至跟 Jimmy 解釋說，他付出了很多努力和心力來幫助自己應對那些自卑感。

And I feel like I spent my whole 20s trying to, like, be what people wanted me to be, and

我覺得我花了整個二十幾歲，試圖，你知道，成為別人期望我成為的樣子，

The past couple years have been amazing in the way of, like, I'm just gonna be myself.

過去幾年真的太棒了，就是，我就是做我自己。

So now Kimmel looks like an absolute fool.

Now let's look at how Conan handles the start of an interview with a much younger, assumingly, much more insecure Jonah Hill.

現在我們來看看 Conan 是如何開始採訪一位，假設，應該是比較年輕、比較沒安全感的 Jonah Hill。

I'm sure Jonah, being relatively new in the industry, but

我確定 Jonah，雖然在業界相對新手，但

still on an upward trajectory, is going in with a sense of imposter syndrome.

還在往上爬升，他進去時應該會有一種冒牌者症候群。

You can tell just by his fidgety nature that he's still green regarding interviews and especially late night tv.

從他坐立不安的樣子就可以看得出來，他在接受採訪，尤其是深夜節目時，還很生澀。

So Conan, having been there at one time or another, immediately reminds him of just how much time he really has and assures him that to an outsider's perspective, he's doing very, very well.

所以 Conan，他曾經也經歷過，馬上提醒他還有多少時間，並向他保證，從外人的角度來看，他做得非常非常棒。

Even name dropping Morgan Freeman to help elevate his status to the crowd and the audience at home.

甚至還提到 Morgan Freeman，來幫他提升在觀眾和在家裡觀眾心中的地位。

You live out in Los Angeles and you are starting to do well.

你住在洛杉磯，而且你開始做得不錯。

你在這裡拿到了一些不錯的角色。

Working on a film with Morgan Freeman, one of the icons of film.

和 Morgan Freeman 一起拍電影，他是電影界的代表人物之一。

He's basically telling him, hey, man, you've made it.

他基本上在告訴他，嘿，老兄，你成功了。

See, Conan never jabs at the person being interviewed.

你看，Conan 從來不會挖苦被採訪的人。

And if he does, he'll do it in the hypothetical sense or in third person and only as a riff.

而且如果他要這麼做，他也會用假設或第三人稱的方式，而且只是開玩笑。

Even when he's being absolutely eviscerated by someone like Martin Short, he doesn't strike back.

即使他被 Martin Short 這樣的人徹底批評，他也不會反擊。

Don't I have the best hair in the business?

難道我不是這個圈子裡髮型最好的人嗎？

Well, I mean, first of all, you can barely see netting.

嗯，我的意思是，首先，你幾乎看不到網子。

And secondly, people like Bill Maher get heat for their holier than thou attitude, and

其次，像 Bill Maher 這樣的人會因為他們那種自以為是的態度而受到批評，而且

they carry this sort of smug demeanor that makes them seem like the smartest one in the room, which at times can put them at odds with the guests.

他們會帶著一種自鳴得意的神態，讓他們看起來像是房間裡最聰明的人，這有時會讓他們與來賓產生衝突。

你的朋友 Bill Maher，舉個例子。

You know, he wants to be seen as an intellectual.

你知道，他想被看作是一個知識分子。

I bet you fly private more than you're letting on.

我敢打賭你搭私人飛機的次數比你說的還多。

如果我不同意你，我就是個笨蛋。

I'm neither a comedian or a respected public figure.

我既不是喜劇演員，也不是受人尊敬的公眾人物。

People want to feel like they're safe, like they're in good hands.

人們希望感覺自己是安全的，感覺自己是被好好對待的。

Which brings us to today's sponsor in Cyberghost vpn.

說到這裡，就帶到我們今天的贊助商 Cyberghost vpn。

As someone who spends a lot of time online, I absolutely value my privacy.

身為一個花很多時間在網路上的人，我非常重視我的隱私。

And this is a period where nearly everything you do is being supervised.

而現在這個時代，你做的幾乎所有事情都會被監控。

Be it your school work or or even your local coffee shop wifi, you're being tracked constantly.

無論是你的學校作業，甚至是你在常去的咖啡店連的 wifi，你都在被不斷追蹤。

Cyberghost VPN encrypts your Internet traffic and reroutes it through secure servers in over 100 different countries, making you completely anonymous.

Cyberghost VPN 會加密你的網路流量，並透過 100 多個國家/地區的安全伺服器重新導向，讓你完全匿名。

Trust the over 20,000 five star ratings on Trustpilot or any of their 38 million users.

相信 Trustpilot 上超過 20,000 則五星好評，或是他們 3,800 萬使用者中的任何一位。

The best part is there's absolutely no logs.

最棒的是，他們完全沒有紀錄。

Most VPN companies track and retain your activity while claiming to shield you from others so they can sell your information to the highest bidder.

大多數 VPN 公司都會追蹤並保留你的活動紀錄，同時聲稱能保護你免受他人侵害，以便將你的資訊賣給出價最高的人。

So not even Cyberghosts themselves can see what you're doing.

所以就連 Cyberghost 自己也看不到你在做什麼。

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