Name: 潔絲敏·克羅基特絕不退縮！| 今日解釋 (Jasmine Crockett isn’t backing down | Today, Explained)
Uploaded: 2026-02-07T17:12:29.000Z
Duration: 24 min 51 s

Hi and welcome to Today Explained Saturday.

嗨，歡迎來到「今日解析星期六」。

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every week I'll be talking to someone in the news, in the culture, or just exploring an idea I can't get out of my head.

每週我都會找一位新聞界、文化界的朋友，或是探討一個我腦中揮之不去的主題。

Texas Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett is a bonafide political star.

德州的國會議員 Jasmine Crockett 是位貨真價實的政治新星。

In just two terms here in Washington, D.C.

在華盛頓特區的短短兩個任期內，

as a member of the House of Representatives, she's turned herself into a national name known for her sharp attacks against President Trump, her Republican colleagues, and

身為眾議院的一員，她已經讓自己成為家喻戶曉的人物，以她對川普總統、共和黨同僚，

甚至部分民主黨員的犀利攻擊而聞名。

But while the social media fame has gotten her millions and millions of followers, it's also turned her into a little bit of a lightning rod, a favorite target of some Republicans and a nuisance to some Democrats who argue that she could be putting her brand above the parties.

然而，社群媒體的聲名讓她擁有了數百萬的追隨者，但也讓她成為一個小小的箭靶，成為一些共和黨人眼中的目標，以及一些民主黨人眼中的麻煩人物，他們認為她可能把個人品牌置於政黨之上。

Congresswoman Crockett's decision to run for Senate was controversial, to say the least, and

國會議員 Crockett 決定競選參議院，至少可以說是備受爭議，

she's now locked in a neck and neck race against Texas State Representative James Talarico.

她現在正與德州州眾議員 James Talarico 展開一場勢均力敵的激烈競賽。

But the differences in this race so far haven't really been about policy.

然而，到目前為止，這場競選的差異並不在於政策。

It's been about candidate preference, about which one of them is best positioned to win and if Crockett has enough substance to go with all her style.

這關乎候選人偏好，關乎他們之中誰最有機會勝出，以及 Crockett 是否有足夠的實質來搭配她的風格。

So we came to D.C. and decided to ask her.

所以我們來到華盛頓特區，決定問問她。

Thank you, Representative Jasmine Crockett, for joining us today.

感謝 Jasmine Crockett 代表今天接受我們的訪問。

I think a Jasmine Crockett voter is anyone that is frustrated with everything that they're seeing in politics.

我認為 Jasmine Crockett 的選民是任何對他們在政治上看到的一切感到沮喪的人。

Whether you identify as a Democrat, Republican, or independent, there are a lot of people that have found themselves frustrated and feel as if it doesn't matter which party is in power.

無論您是民主黨、共和黨或無黨籍，都有很多人感到沮喪，並且覺得無論哪個政黨掌權都無所謂。

There's no one that sees them, hears them, or feels them, or advocates for them.

沒有人看見他們、聽見他們、感受他們，或為他們發聲。

I am the type of person that real people can relate to.

我屬於那種大家都能感同身受的類型。

I am not the type of person that politicos get excited about.

我不是那種能讓政治人物熱血沸騰的類型。

You were a relatively new member of Congress, but

exploded in popularity in May 2024 when you had a famous exchange with Marjorie Taylor Greene in the House Oversight Committee.

但您在 2024 年 5 月，因為在眾議院監督委員會與 Marjorie Taylor Greene 有一場著名的脣槍舌戰，人氣爆紅。

She talked about your eyelashes and you replied with one of the great moments of American political alliteration, saying she had a bleached bond, bad built.

她談論您的睫毛，而您則以美國政治史上最經典的諧音回應，說她漂白過的金髮，又醜又壯。

But I'm just curious just to better understand your ruling, if someone on this committee then starts talking about somebody's bleach, blonde, bad built, butch body, that would not be engaging in personalities, correct?

但我想問一下，讓您更瞭解您的判斷，如果這個委員會裡有人開始談論某人的漂白金髮、又醜又壯的身體，那就不算人身攻擊，對嗎？

I wanted to ask a question that I've thought about since this happened.

這件事發生後，我一直想問一個問題。

Did you practice that or was it off the cuff?

您是事先練習過的，還是即興發揮的？

You didn't have that in your back pocket.

No, people have asked that over and over.

I did write it down as we were going through this, like, back and forth about whether or not she was going to be allowed to continue on in a hearing.

在我們來回討論她是否能繼續聽證會時，我有把它寫下來。

And as the back and forth was taking place between, like, leadership, I finally got word that they were going to allow her to disrespect me.

在領導層來回討論的過程中，我終於得到消息，他們會允許她不尊重我。

And I basically understood the rules, because as a lawyer, the first thing that you're supposed to figure out is what are the rules?

我基本上了解規則，因為身為律師，你首先要弄清楚的就是規則是什麼。

And then I wanted to illustrate how quickly something like this could devolve if we set this precedent, while also making sure I didn't violate the rules.

然後我想說明一下，如果我們設立了這樣的先例，事情會多快失控，同時也要確保我沒有違反規則。

對啊，我的意思是，但在展示了。

How things can devolve if that space is opened up, I wonder if there is any cost to that.

如果打開了那個空間，事情會如何失控，我不知道這其中有沒有什麼代價。

我的意思是，我們應該希望我們的政治人物。

I mean, as much as we love, like, the phrase or much as the phrase blew up, should we want our politicians to be clapback artists?

我的意思是，儘管我們喜歡，像是，這個說法，或者這個說法爆紅，但我們應該希望我們的政治人物成為反擊高手嗎？

You know, I mean, I think that in this moment, you have to understand that politics has changed.

你知道，我的意思是，我認為在這一刻，你必須明白政治已經改變了。

And one thing that the Democrats have struggled with is that they continue to be viewed as the doormat for the Republicans.

而民主黨一直以來掙扎的一點是，他們持續被視為共和黨的墊腳石。

They continue to say, where's the opposition?

And instead, we continue to say, these are the rules, and

但相反地，我們一直說，這些是規則，而

we try to play by the rules as they literally are shooting people dead in the middle of the street, and

我們試著遵守規則，但對方卻在街上殺人。

And so the reason I personally believe that the Democratic brand has been struggling as relates to their popularity is because people feel as if the Democrats play by the rules.

所以我個人認為民主黨的個人品牌之所以人氣下滑，是因為大家覺得民主黨有在遵守規則。

And frankly, I think Americans want everybody to play by the rules.

說實話，我認為美國人希望大家都能遵守規則。

I think whether you're a Democrat, Republican, or Independent, they actually want a government that is very boring and just plays by the rules, that keeps things kind of going.

我認為，無論你是民主黨、共和黨還是無黨籍，他們其實都想要一個非常無聊、遵守規則、能讓事情順利運轉的政府。

But unfortunately, that's not where we are.

但很可惜，我們現在的處境並非如此。

And so that's why there is kind of this fierce urgency of now.

這就是為什麼會有這種「迫切的當下感」。

This is why you see a historic number of both Democrats and Republicans, in my opinion, that are retiring both from House and the Senate, because this environment is not a normal environment.

這也是為什麼我認為，無論是民主黨還是共和黨，都有創紀錄的議員選擇退休，離開眾議院和參議院，因為現在的環境很不尋常。

And so to respond to it in a normal way, Democrats have tried that.

所以，為了以正常的方式回應，民主黨確實嘗試過。

這對我們來說，結果並不太好。

And right now we're wondering whether or not our democracy is even gonna survive.

而現在我們正在思考，我們的民主是否還能存續。

I definitely think that there is a clear argument that, you know, Donald Trump has sent political rhetoric left a thousand times.

我認為，川普總統的政治言論確實留下了非常多千瘡百孔的痕跡。

I'm not saying that it's kind of one to one, but

when I see the moment on the House where you seem to accuse Republican Lee Zeldin of taking money from Jeffrey Epstein, but

當我看到眾議院裡，你似乎指控共和黨的 Lee Zeldin 收了 Jeffrey Epstein 的錢，

it seemed like if it was not the same person, I wonder, like, is there times in which the rhetoric goes too far?

如果不是同一個人，我會想，是不是有時候言論會太過火了？

There are times in which you should say, maybe I messed that one up.

有時候你會覺得，也許我那句話說錯了。

I think that, you know, we are really in unchartered territory.

我認為，我們真的處在一個前所未有的局面。

So I hear your argument that you're reflecting the urgency necessary, and

所以，我明白你的論點，認為你正在反映必要的急迫感，

所以這就是為什麼你寸步不讓。

You spent much of your career as a public, earlier parts of your career as a public defender, a civil rights attorney.

你職業生涯的早期，大部分時間是擔任公設辯護律師，一位民權律師。

I. I wanted to know how that shaped your worldview.

我。我想知道那對你的世界觀有什麼影響。

How did that lead, you know, what were you seeing at that time that said, hey, I want to get into elected office?

那是如何導致，你知道的，你當時看到了什麼，讓你覺得，嘿，我想進入民選官職？

Listen, I wake up every day scratching my head about elected office.

聽著，我每天醒來都對民選官職感到困惑。

So I don't know that there's ever been a point where I was just like, my gosh, right.

所以我不知道有沒有哪個時候，我會覺得，天啊，對。

I have always been the type of person that has wanted to solve for problems.

我一直都是那種想解決問題的人。

I mean, that's what lawyers are supposed to do.

我的意思是，這就是律師該做的事。

Someone has an issue, they come to you, they want you to help them.

有人遇到問題，他們來找你，希望你幫忙。

And so as I worked as a public defender, I became acutely aware of how broken our system is.

所以在我擔任公設辯護人時，我非常清楚我們的體繫有多麼破碎。

And so, you know, I have so many stories of my experiences as a public defender that have stuck with me.

真的，我有很多擔任公設辯護人的經歷，一直都讓我印象深刻。

And also, like, what people don't understand is that when you are a public defender, you're representing indigent people and you're starting to learn the source of why certain things happen.

還有，大家可能不瞭解的是，當你是公設辯護人時，你代表的是無力支付費用的民眾，而且你會開始瞭解某些事情發生的根源。

Like, you start to learn how poverty can play a role in some people ending up in the system.

你會開始瞭解貧窮如何影響一些人最終進入這個體系。

I wanted to ask about how you view kind of the.

You're someone who comes up when people talk about authentic candidates and people who are willing to be themselves, you know, but

提到真誠的候選人、那些願意做自己的人時，大家都會想到你，你知道的，但是

政治在某些方面來說，就像一場表演。

I mean, what does being yourself even mean when you think about how you show up to politics?

說真的，當你想到自己在政治上該如何表現時，「做自己」到底是什麼意思？

我們看到的是 Jasmine Crockett 本人嗎？

You know, we recently had a fundraiser down in Houston, and

說到這個，我們最近在休士頓辦了一場募款餐會，

one of my classmates from law school was the one that was hosting it.

主辦人是我一位法學院的同學。

And she's like, this is who Jasmine has always been.

她說，這就是 Jasmine 一直以來的樣子。

I've always been someone who has been intellectual.

我一直以來都是一個知識份子。

I was top 10% of my class at Texas Southern my first year in law school.

我在德州南方大學法學院第一年就拿到前 10% 的成績。

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