Name: 就連川普的選民也超生氣！| 今日解密 (Even Trump voters are mad | Today, Explained)
Uploaded: 2026-02-01T17:24:33.000Z
Duration: 23 min 8 s

Hi, and welcome to Today Explained Saturday.

嗨，歡迎來到「今日解析星期六」。

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I'm Esteed Herndon and every week I'll be talking to someone in the news, in the culture, or just exploring an idea I can't get out of my head.

我是 Esteed Herndon，每週我都會和新聞界、文化界的朋友聊聊，或是探討一個我腦中揮之不去的主題。

This week I've been thinking about the president's poll numbers.

這週我一直在想總統的聲勢數字。

Trump's approval rating is some of the lowest in recorded history and has fallen to new lows in recent weeks as the nation reels from the recent killings of two anti ICE protesters in Minnesota.

川普的支持率創下歷史新低，最近幾週更是跌至新低點，因為全國上下都在為明尼蘇達州兩名反ICE抗議者遭殺害的事件感到震驚。

Still, even with all the chaos, the Trump White House shows no signs of slowing its agenda or moderating to reflect public opinion.

儘管如此，即使面對所有混亂，川普的白宮仍未顯示出放慢其議程或為了反映公眾輿論而做出調整的跡象。

Since coming back into office, Trump has shown some willingness to change his mind upon controversy.

自從重返執政以來，川普在面對爭議時，曾展現過一些改變心意的意願。

But those moments are few and far between, like after the stock market plunged because of tariffs, or when he caved on the Epstein files because of his base.

但這些時刻屈指可數，就像在股市因關稅暴跌後，或是因為他的基本盤而對艾普斯坦檔案讓步時一樣。

So this week I decided to do a little pulse check on maga.

所以這週我決定對 MAGA 做個小小的脈搏檢查。

I looked at focus groups, talked to pollsters, and

我看了焦點小組，訪問了民意調查員，並且

even checked in with some of the voters I met on the campaign trail, particularly in Minnesota.

甚至還去探訪了我在選舉造勢行程中遇到的幾位選民，特別是在明尼蘇達州。

more to two people who follow Trump's base even more closely than I do.

更多問題去問兩位比我更密切關注川普基本盤的人。

How real is the backlash against Trump and how much will it matter?

川普面臨的反彈有多真實？又有多重要？

Now I'm excited to talk to John Fredericks.

現在我很高興能和 John Fredericks 聊聊。

Every good political journalist needs a good MAGA guy in their back pocket or in their DMs.

每位優秀的政治記者都需要一位 MAGA 支持者在身邊，隨時可以聯絡。

He's a popular conservative radio host who goes by my favorite nickname, the Godzilla of Truth.

他是一位受歡迎的保守派電臺主持人，有我最喜歡的稱號：真理哥吉拉。

We met years ago on the campaign trail as Fredericks often hosts his show from the Road, broadcasting from events like the RNC winter meeting, the CPAC convention in Washington, D.C.

我們幾年前在選舉造勢行程中認識的，因為 Fredericks 經常在各地舉辦節目，從共和黨全國委員會冬季會議、華盛頓特區的 CPAC 大會等活動現場進行轉播。

and you have the figure on the pulse, which is what I love.

你掌握著脈搏，這是我最喜歡的。

You interact with tons of Trump supporters on your call in show, and

你在你的call-in節目中與許多MAGA 支持者互動，而且

Trump appears on your radio show pretty consistently.

川普幾乎固定會出現在你的廣播節目上。

And so this week, as I wanted to try to get a temperature check on kind of where MAGA world is or where kind of Trump supporters are, I decided to start with you.

所以這週，當我想試著瞭解MAGA圈或川普支持者大概是什麼樣子的時候，我決定從你開始。

I really want to compare the first term of Trump to the second term of Trump.

我真的很想比較川普的第一任期和第二任期。

What do we think has changed over the last year and how do we think this is different than the first time he was in office?

我們覺得過去一年有什麼改變？又覺得這次跟上次他上任有什麼不一樣？

如果讓你給川普第二任期打個分數。

On a scale of 1 to 10, what would you give it?

He's delivered on virtually every promise he's made.

The number of refunds you're going to get back going to be off the charts.

你會拿到的退款金額會多到爆表。

The one big beautiful bill got passed you.

You haven't had anywhere near the ridiculous leaks and backbiting in the White House that you had.

你在白宮裡沒有遇到像以前那樣離譜的洩密和內鬥。

And Trump won, which hampered the whole effort, et cetera.

而且川普贏了，這拖累了整個行動，等等。

而這正是他其中一個風險所在。

Now, going into the midterms, he spent an inordinate amount of time on it.

現在，進入期中選舉，他花了很多時間在這上面。

But the risk of this is people elected him not for foreign policy views.

但這樣做的風險在於，大家選他並不是因為他的外交政策觀點。

They elected him for affordability, getting prices down, fixing the economy, getting housing, getting interest rates down, doing the things they need to do to improve their quality of life.

他們選他是因為負擔能力、降低物價、改善經濟、解決住房問題、降低利率，做他們需要做的事來提高生活品質。

And the windows closing, going to the midterms.

而且時間緊迫，要進入期中選舉了。

I want you to put on then your kind of pulse of MAGA hat then, because I can see how you are giving him a 10 out of 10 have defended each of his actions.

我希望你戴上你的MAGA帽子，因為我看得出來你給他的每一個行動都打了10分，為他辯護。

But the numbers tell us that Trump is growing more unpopular.

但數字告訴我們，川普越來越不受歡迎。

He's fallen 20 points with independence in just one year.

一年內，他在獨立選民中的支持率下降了20點。

The gains we saw in the election year among non white Americans, among young people have seemed to reverse.

我們在選舉年裡看到非白人美國人、年輕人方面的成長似乎已經逆轉了。

If you believe the polling, if things are going as well as you kind of believe they are, why aren't we seeing of the numbers reflect that the economy has not reflected the success that's coming.

如果你相信民調，如果你覺得事情進展順利，那為什麼我們看不到數字反映出經濟並沒有反映出即將到來的成功？

So people aren't feeling the affordability, they're not feeling the optimism of what I think we're going to feel going into, going into the spring and summer when some of these things take hold.

所以大家感受不到負擔能力，感受不到我認為我們在進入春夏時會感受到的樂觀情緒，當這些事情開始發揮作用時。

They're not feeling that the messaging of the Republicans, as usual, sucks.

他們感受不到共和黨的訊息傳達，一如往常，很糟糕。

They couldn't message their way out of a paper bag if their life depended on it.

就算他們的生命 depende on it，他們也無法把訊息傳達清楚。

不過，美國人會相信這個說法嗎？

Because most Americans are not kind of blaming Joe Biden for this economy state, they're blaming Donald Trump.

因為大多數美國人並不是在怪罪喬·拜登的經濟狀況，他們是在怪罪唐納·川普。

It seems as if you were saying that there is at least some form of concession you'll make here that maybe the economy has not turned around in the way that Donald Trump had promised in this first year.

你似乎在說，你會做出至少某種形式的讓步，那就是經濟可能沒有像唐納·川普承諾的那樣在他執政的第一年就已經好轉。

All that the electorate needs to know as far as economic statistics is their grocery bill.

選民只需要知道的經濟數據，就是他們的菜錢。

And if that continues to go up, as it is for all of us, right, if the price of cars go up, everything is going up, then, you know, Trump's economy's failed.

如果這持續上漲，就像我們大家一樣，對吧，如果汽車價格上漲，什麼都在漲，那麼，你知道的，川普的經濟就失敗了。

If you can't buy a home, right, you can't get a mortgage, interest rates are too high, you can't pay it.

如果你買不起房子，對吧，你拿不到房貸，利率太高，你付不起。

Trump's fault, as it should be, because he's now going to be accountable.

這是川普的錯，應該是這樣，因為他現在要負責了。

He's got a very short period of time to turn this around.

他只有很短的時間來扭轉這個局面。

I'm optimistic that he's going to do that.

我對他會做到這一點感到樂觀。

But right now, when you go to the store and you fill your card up, you're feeling the pinch, you're feeling the pain, and

但現在，當你去商店買東西，你得付錢，你感覺到壓力，你感覺到痛苦，

這就是為什麼他的聲勢數字會下降。

I want to ask about two other areas that the numbers tell us have been issues for Trump over his first year.

我想問另外兩個數字告訴我們，在川普上任第一年裡一直是他問題的領域。

The Epstein files have unleashed a wave of anger, even among some Republicans.

艾普斯坦檔案引發了一波憤怒，甚至在一些共和黨人之間也是如此。

I'm thinking about folks like former Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene.

我想到的是像前國會議員 Marjorie Taylor Greene 這樣的人。

Actually listened to an episode of your show from last summer where one of your callers was kind of expressing some anger around Trump's handling of those files and wondering if justice, as they put it, was going to come to those victims.

我其實聽了你去年夏天的一集節目，當時你的一位聽眾有點表達對川普處理這些檔案的憤怒，並想知道他們所說的正義是否會降臨到那些受害者身上。

Do you think that Trump's handling of the files has caused him some issues, even among some conservatives?

你認為川普處理這些檔案的方式是否給他帶來了一些問題，即使是一些保守派也是如此？

They should have released all the files on the same day immediately.

他們應該立即在同一天釋出所有檔案。

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