Name: 不是科幻驚悚片！而是我們所有人將面對的未來——Jacob Soboroff 談「Firestorm」！ (It's Not A Sci-Fi Thriller, It's The Future We All Face - Jacob Soboroff On "Firestorm")
Uploaded: 2026-01-31T17:02:59.000Z
Duration: 3 min 59 s

We're here with the author of Firestorm, Jacob Soborough.

我們今天請到 Firestorm 的作者 Jacob Soborough。

You were here a year ago to talk about the wildfires in your hometown of Pacific Palisades.

你一年前來這裡，談論你家鄉 Pacific Palisades 的野火。

這張照片也在 Firestorm 的封底。

This is you very close to your childhood home.

這張是你離童年老家非常近的照片。

And now, as I said earlier, you have the new book, Firestorm the Great Los Angeles Fires in America's New Age of Disaster.

然後，就像我剛剛說的，你有這本新書，Firestorm the Great Los Angeles Fires in America's New Age of Disaster。

What perspective has this last year given you on what happened and what the future might be for that area?

過去這一年，你對發生的事情以及那個地區的未來有什麼樣的看法？

When I was covering the Palisades burning down, and

we should also mention Altadena, you know, dozens of miles away on the other side of town, I thought I was looking into my past.

我們也該提一下 Altadena，你知道，在鎮的另一邊幾十英里外，我以為我在看我的過去。

Watching my childhood neighborhood carbonized before my eyes, watching my home that I grew up in until I was five, incinerate.

看著我童年居住的社區在我眼前化為灰燼，看著我長大的家，直到五歲，被燒毀。

But it turns out, I think what I have learned is that what I was looking at was the fire of the future, not a look into my past.

但結果是，我認為我學到的是，我所看到的不是我的過去，而是未來的火焰。

And I think when you read the book, it reads in some ways like almost like a sci fi thriller, but

而且我認為當你讀這本書時，它在某些方面讀起來就像科幻驚悚小說，但

it is the lived, real experience, not just of Angelenos, but

這是一個真實的經歷，不僅是 Angelenos 的，

of so many people around the country and around the world who are going to experience natural disasters like this.

還有全國各地和全世界許多將經歷像這樣的自然災害的人們。

And again, as I look at the image on the COVID of this book, which is so extraordinary, and

再說一次，當我看到這本書的 COVID 圖片時，這太不可思議了，而且

this was all over Los Angeles, all over the area, it was this extreme everywhere.

這遍佈整個洛杉磯，遍佈整個地區，到處都是極端的景象。

Where the fire hit, remind us now, a year later, because I think we've lost perspective on this.

火災發生的地點，提醒我們現在，一年後，因為我認為我們已經失去了這方面的觀點。

31 people died as a direct result of the flames.

They say maybe 400 with excess mortality.

他們說可能有 400 人因間接因素死亡。

You know, not the direct connection to the fires themselves.

你知道，不是直接跟火災本身有關。

Three times the size of Manhattan burned in the largest, most populous county in the United States of America.

美國人口最多的郡，有三倍曼哈頓大小的區域被燒毀。

And again, two distinct neighborhoods entirely wiped off the map.

而且，又有兩個截然不同的社區完全消失在地圖上。

More historically diverse, working class.

歷史上更多元化，屬於工人階級。

So 16,000 structures burned down a year later.

所以一年後，有 16,000 座建築物被燒毀。

這些建築物有多少已經重建了？

And I think, you know, one of the things you read in the book is that whether it's immigration or covering these fires, mass casualty events, the fissures underneath society become so obvious.

我覺得，你知道，書裡提到的一件事是，無論是移民潮，還是報導這些火災、大規模傷亡事件，社會底層的裂痕都會變得非常明顯。

Louisiana is the most unaffordable city and the most unaffordable state in the country.

路易斯安那州是全國最難負擔生活費的城市，也是最難負擔生活費的州。

And people who want to build back 40% of the homes that are selling.

而且想重建的房子有四成都在賣。

The lots are being sold to corporations now, not to Californians.

現在地產都是賣給企業，不是賣給加州人。

The premiums are going up, and people don't have enough money just from their jobs.

保費不斷上漲，但人們光靠工作賺的錢不夠。

And so they're going to have to find a life elsewhere outside of Los Angeles.

所以他們得在洛杉磯以外的地方找生活。

And this is a book about people as much as it is about politics or climate change, all of those things.

這本書描寫的，不只是政治或氣候變遷，而是關於人。

And you read about people like engineers.

300 engineers from Jet Propulsion Laboratory Caltech lost their homes in Altadena.

來自 Jet Propulsion Laboratory Caltech 的三百位工程師在 Altadena 失去了他們的家。

You'll read about people like Kate Hennigan, extraordinary JPL senior engineer, or Herman Lloyda Wilson, her neighbor on McNally Avenue.

你會讀到像 Kate Hennigan 這樣的人，她是 JPL 的傑出資深工程師，或是她的鄰居 Herman Lloyda Wilson，住在 McNally Avenue。

They worked at UPS for 36 years, fell in love, and

他們在 UPS 工作了 36 年，墜入愛河，而且

have had to move 10 times, 10 times since the fire because they can't afford to stay in their home.

自從大火以來，他們已經搬了 10 次家，10 次，因為他們負擔不起繼續住在自己的家裡。

But I found so much just like, just like with being on the streets at the immigration protests, so much inspiration from the people that are coming back from these fires because they really, you know, they're not taking no for an answer.

但我發現了好多，就像在移民抗議活動中流落街頭一樣，從這些火災中重返家園的人們身上，我獲得了好多啟發，因為他們真的，你知道的，他們不會輕易放棄。

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