Name: 誰在徵才？F1 Hire 的 Andrew Chen 分享美國國際畢業生就業市場洞察！ (Who's Hiring? Insights on the U.S. Job Market for International Graduates with F1 Hire's Andrew Chen)
Uploaded: 2026-01-17T17:50:29.000Z
Duration: 25 min 54 s

Welcome back to another episode of Breaking Boundaries, the world's premier podcast for international students, or at least in the top 500.

歡迎回到 Breaking Boundaries 的最新一集，這是全球頂尖的 podcast，專為國際學生打造，或者至少能排進前五百名。

I am joined today by Andrew Chen, the CEO of F1Hire, a distinguished guest who has an enormous amount of insight on post graduation work.

今天我請到 F1Hire 的執行長 Andrew Chen，他是一位很棒的嘉賓，對於畢業後工作有非常豐富的見解。

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I'm very glad to be here and glad to talk to your audience.

我很高興來到這裡，也很高興能和你的聽眾們聊聊。

Now Ed, before we dive into the data, I want to ask a personal question.

好了 Ed，在我們深入探討數據之前，我想先問一個個人問題。

You studied at the University of Missouri, commonly known as Mizzou, let's say a few years back you studied nuclear engineering and computer science.

你曾在密蘇裡大學，也就是大家熟知的 Mizzou 就讀，假設幾年前你攻讀核子工程和計算機科學。

But first, if you don't mind sharing with the audience what your experience was like going to Missouri to study.

但首先，如果你不介意跟聽眾分享的話，你在密蘇裡求學的經驗是怎麼樣的呢？

I came from Beijing, a very large city, and my undergraduate study was in nuclear engineering.

我來自北京，一個很大的城市，我的大學部學業是核子工程。

I studied four years in China and then one year of graduate school.

我在中國讀了四年書，然後讀了一年研究院。

And then I applied to the graduate program of nuclear engineering because at that time it was 90.

接著我申請了核子工程的研究計畫，因為那時候是 90 年代。

So Internet was just up and I have to go to my professor's office to send one email and wait probably one week to receive the email back.

那時候 Internet 剛興起，我必須到教授辦公室寄一封電子郵件，然後等大概一週才能收到回覆。

So it took me two years to apply to a school.

And at that time all those Chinese students come here, they have to rely on scholarship.

那時候所有來的中國學生都必須依賴獎學金。

So I was so lucky I got half scholarship.

所以我很幸運，我拿到半額獎學金。

It's a research assistant and half means I have half of a stipend which is about $500 a month and I can work 10 hours a week on campus.

是研究助理，半額的意思是我有一半的津貼，大約每月 500 美元，而且我可以在校內工作一週 10 小時。

So in the first month I applied a job at the office of registrar and admission.

所以第一個月我就申請了註冊與招生辦公室的工作。

At that time they want someone to do world Wide web page for their office.

那時候他們想要有人幫他們的辦公室做網頁。

So I worked there for about one and a half years and did the first webpage for them.

所以我在那裡工作了一年半，為他們做了第一個網頁。

Not the first did the webpage for them, but

不是第一個幫他們做網頁，而是

I think it's the first online college application form for for a major university.

我認為這是第一份大型大學的線上申請表。

對，那時候是用數據機之類的。

So I have to consider how much bandwidth and to do that.

所以我必須考慮頻寬有多少，然後才能做。

But I was told it was the first of a major university that was back in 95, 96.

但他們告訴我，這是大學裡第一個，那是在 95、96 年的時候。

And because of that experience, later on I got the opportunity to get a full scholarship from the medical school doing medical informatics.

而且因為那段經驗，後來我獲得了醫學院提供的全額獎學金，攻讀醫學資訊學。

And then at that time I started to get into the computer science program.

然後那時候我就開始接觸計算機科學學程了。

So when I graduated I had two master degrees, Master of nuclear engineering and Master of Computer science.

所以畢業的時候我拿到了兩個碩士學位，一個是核子工程碩士，一個是計算機科學碩士。

One main reason of that is at one weekly seminar of the nuclear engineering program, chair, chair of the department showed us A curve.

其中一個主要原因是在核子工程學程的每週研討會上，系主任給我們看了一張圖。

Basically the curve is like this going down.

基本上這張圖是這樣往下降的。

It said, okay, this is your career outcome as nuclear engineer, but

它寫著，好的，這是你身為核子工程師的職涯發展，但是

don't be too sad because somebody are going to retire.

So that's one I think, wow, if I want to earn some money, I have to have some other skills.

所以我想，哇，如果我想賺點錢，我得培養一些其他技能。

So later I got a computer science degree.

所以後來我拿到了計算機科學學位。

So I spent three years at Mizu and got two computer science, two master degrees.

我在 Mizzou 待了三年，拿到了兩個計算機科學，兩個碩士學位。

And about three days, literally three days after I graduate, I sit in front of a desk of a computer company.

然後大概三天，真的就是畢業後三天，我就坐在一家電腦公司的辦公桌前。

So I worked, yeah, three years at the computer company at that time it's called.comcompany and then later on a major nuclear company start to hire hire after 15 years and I worked there for eight or nine years and then I started on my own.

我工作了，對，在那家當時叫做.comcompany 的電腦公司待了三年，後來一家大型核能公司在 15 年後開始聘人，我在那裡工作了八九年，然後我就自己創業了。

Now I'm not doing software, not doing computer, not doing nuclear.

現在我不是做軟體，不是做電腦，也不是做核能。

And I become a full time international student Advisor for about 15 years already.

然後我當了 15 年的國際學生顧問。

My takeaway is that web development in 1995 was so complicated it required a nuclear engineer to build a webpage.

我的心得是，1995 年的網頁開發非常複雜，需要核子工程師才能建立一個網頁。

嗯，這是一個很好的話題，可以銜接到職涯發展。

And I know that there is policy uncertainty worldwide, but

我知道全球都有政策的不確定性，但是

students can only control what they can control today.

學生今天只能控制他們能控制的事情。

For, for those who are coming to study in the U.S.

do you have any insight on the programs of study that might offer the most relevant pathways to post graduation work in the United States?

你對於哪些學程能提供最相關的畢業後工作途徑，有什麼建議嗎？

Data is what the US companies are going to take the effort to sponsor those foreign students or foreign workers to get the working visa.

數據是美國公司會努力贊助外國學生或外國員工取得工作簽證的資料。

And number two is what we call perm data.

第二個是我們稱之為 perm data 的。

They have prediction, the field prediction.

So based on those three sets of data, it's very clear that computer science, data science and health science are the top three areas where the jobs are.

所以根據這三組數據，很明顯計算機科學、數據科學和健康科學是就業機會最多的前三大領域。

That's the same to the domestic students and to international students, but

這對在地學生和國際學生都一樣，但

especially to the international student because you can see about 70% of the international student sponsorship on H1B are STEM.

特別是對國際學生來說，因為你可以看到大約 70% 的國際學生 H1B 擔保都是 STEM 領域的。

And of the 70%, about 60% of all the sponsored H1B are computer related.

而在這 70% 中，大約 60% 的所有擔保 H1B 都與計算機相關。

So computer related, computer science, information technology are number one career outcome majors.

所以與計算機相關的、計算機科學、資訊技術是第一名的職涯結果專業。

And as you drill down a little further into computer science, data science and health science, let's Talk at the H1B level.

當你更深入地探討計算機科學、數據科學和健康科學時，讓我們來談談 H1B 層級。

You mentioned that it does take time and effort on the part of employers to sponsor international graduates.

你提到僱主需要花費時間和精力來擔保國際畢業生。

Does that result in a landscape where most of these hires are being made by large employers with robust administrative staff or is it spread out among employers of many sizes?

這是否會導致大多數這些聘僱是由擁有強大行政人員的大型僱主所聘用，還是會分散在各種規模的僱主之間？

One is they have to put in a lot of effort to sponsor because say, if I'm a company, I hire a data science major.

一是他們需要花很多心思去擔保，因為假設我是一家公司，我聘請了一位數據科學專業的人才。

If I'm just a local company, I'm doing probably a pan.

如果我只是一家在地公司，我大概只需要做一個簡單的動作。

I don't have to tell anybody else what this person make, what's the title and where is he graduated from, so on and so forth.

我不需要告訴任何人這個人賺多少錢、職稱是什麼、他從哪裡畢業等等。

But if I have to sponsor this person, I have to get this person the H1B so that this person can work for me for a long time or green card in order for him to stay.

但如果我必須擔保這個人，我必須讓他拿到 H1B 簽證，這樣他才能為我工作很久，或是拿到綠卡讓他能留下。

So I have to give up all the information to Department of Labor to the uscis.

所以我必須把所有資訊都交給勞工部和美國公民及移民服務局。

In this process, the company have to give a lot of information and a lot of companies, they don't want to do that because this can be viewed as release too much information to the government.

在這個過程中，公司必須提供大量資訊，而很多公司不想這麼做，因為這可能會被視為向政府洩漏太多資訊。

And once the information is reported to government, we can actually download them quarterly with those data.

而且一旦資訊被呈報給政府，我們其實可以每季下載這些數據。

So we know pretty much all the data except the person's name.

所以我們幾乎知道所有數據，除了這個人的名字。

We even know the case number and also what's the title, what's level, what's the salary range, where does he work, and

我們甚至知道案號、職稱、職級、薪資範圍、在哪裡工作，

So this is a very lengthy and sometimes vulnerable thing for the employer to sponsor a foreign worker.

所以這對僱主來說，擔保外籍員工是一個非常漫長且有時很脆弱的過程。

But on the other side, those foreign workers that want to get H1B want to get green card, they have their strong internal values, they work hard and usually you don't have to deal with much of retention issues.

但另一方面，那些想拿到 H1B 簽證、想拿到綠卡的外籍員工，他們有很強的內在價值觀，他們很努力工作，通常你不太需要處理留任問題。

If they want to stay here and you treat them well and they work hard, they will stay here for probably three years, six years, eight years, probably until their whole status is settled down.

如果他們想留下來，你善待他們，他們努力工作，他們可能會在這裡待上三年、六年、八年，可能直到他們的身份完全安定下來。

Usually now I think for Indian students It takes about 10 years to get a green card.

通常現在我認為，對於印度學生來說，拿到綠卡大約需要十年。

For Chinese student, it's probably six to eight years to get a green card.

對於中國學生來說，拿到綠卡可能需要六到八年。

So the retention of STEM of your developer, I think that worth gold to many, many hiring companies.

所以，STEM 領域的開發人員的留任，我認為對許多許多招聘公司來說是無價的。

And also another fact is Those in the US about 50% of the graduate level STEM degrees are issued to international students.

而且另外一個事實是，在美國大約有 50% 的 STEM 領域碩博士學位都是發給國際學生的。

So yeah, so they are pretty good at those.

所以，是的，他們在這方面表現相當不錯。

那麼，哪些公司在贊助他們呢？

There are big companies like Amazon, Microsoft, Google.

有像 Amazon、Microsoft、Google 這樣的大公司。

They are relying on many of those STEM talents with international background.

他們依賴許多擁有國際背景的 STEM 人才。

You know that last week I was in Seattle, I went to the Amazon campus.

你知道上週我在西雅圖，去了 Amazon 的校園。

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