Name: 創新界該有叛逆精神！Synthesia CEO Victor Riparbelli 揭示關鍵洞見！ (The Role of Rebelliousness in Innovation — with Synthesia CEO Victor Riparbelli)
Uploaded: 2026-01-13T18:33:23.000Z
Duration: 41 min 33 s

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We all have to make big decisions in our lives.

我們人生中總是要做很多重大的決定。

Decisions that define and influence our professional and personal journeys.

這些決定定義並影響了我們的職涯和個人生活。

If you reflect on them, some are good and some I'm sure you definitely regret.

如果你回想一下，有些決定很棒，有些我確定你一定會後悔。

In my nearly three decades as a financial journalist, I've interviewed literally thousands of CEOs, politicians and market voices and they all had to make decisions and choices to get where they are today.

在我近三十年的財經記者生涯中，我採訪過成千上萬的執行長、政治人物和市場意見領袖，他們都必須做出決定和選擇，才能走到今天這個位置。

In this podcast, I hear about those decisions, as well as the moments of doubt, risk and conviction that impacted our guests journeys and the people they lead.

在這個Podcast裡，我會聽聽這些決定，以及影響了我們來賓旅程和他們領導的團隊的那些懷疑、冒險和信念的時刻。

This is Executive Decisions with me, Steve Sedgwick.

這是《Executive Decisions》，我是 Steve Sedgwick。

In this episode, I speak to Victor Rippabelli.

在這一集，我採訪了 Victor Rippabelli。

I grew up with all these interests that was kind of outside of the beaten path.

我從小就對很多事情很有興趣，這些興趣都比較不尋常。

I hate when people tell me what to do, like learning something because I'm told to learn something.

我超討厭別人叫我做什麼，像是因為被告知要學東西，所以就去學。

Victor is the Vis video content platform, Synthesia.

Victor 是 Vis 影片內容平臺 Synthesia。

It's one of the UK's most valuable generative AI startups.

它是英國最有價值的 generative AI 新創公司之一。

We went out and said to people, look, in 10 years you can make a Hollywood film on a laptop with just your imagination.

我們出去跟人家說，看，十年後你可以在筆記型電腦上，只憑想像力就拍出好萊塢電影。

After a semester abroad at Stanford University, a life back in Denmark just didn't sit right with the Scandinavian native.

在 Stanford University 讀了一學期後，對這位斯堪地那維亞本地人來說，回到丹麥的生活似乎不太對勁。

It's an amazing place, but it's really not a place that inspires ambition and drive and innovation.

那裡很棒，但真的不是一個能激發雄心壯志、衝勁和創新的地方。

These are Victor Rippabelli's executive decisions.

這些是 Victor Rippabelli 的 Executive Decisions。

One of the key purposes of this podcast is to work out how people become what they are, how they become the entrepreneur, the founder, the leader that they are as well.

這個 podcast 的一個主要目的是要弄清楚人們是如何成為他們現在的樣子，他們是如何成為那樣的 entrepreneur、founder、leader。

From a very early age, how did you see yourself in the world?

從很小的時候開始，你怎麼看待自己在世界上的位置？

I think when you're a kid, right, like you're, you're a kid.

我覺得當你還是個小孩的時候，對吧，就像你，你就是個小孩。

I think I always felt different in some ways and that I had interests that, that I felt like my peers maybe didn't have.

我覺得我總是在某些方面感覺與眾不同，而且我的興趣，我覺得我的同儕可能沒有。

There's like a very kind of, sort of interesting thing, which is that when I was a kid, I was almost like half deaf, so I had like a bunch of my eardrum got replaced like three or four times, things like that.

有一件很特別、很有趣的事情是，我小時候幾乎是半聾的，我的耳膜換了大概三、四次，之類的。

And when you can't hear very well, what tends to happen to kids, right, is that you become sort of more in your own world.

當你聽不太清楚的時候，小孩通常會怎麼樣呢，對吧，就是你會比較活在自己的世界裡。

I was reading a lot of books and doing a lot of things in kind of my own time.

我看了很多書，也做了很多事情，都是在自己的時間裡。

I always had lots of friends and I wasn't like the weird kid in the corner just on my computer, but

我一直有很多朋友，我不是那種只待在電腦前、很奇怪的角落小孩，但是

I just always Think I had like, a very rich inner world from a very young age.

我覺得我從小就擁有一個非常豐富的內心世界。

And I think this is probably in huge part to just the amount of reading I would do.

我想這很大一部分歸功於我閱讀的量。

I would read a book a day almost when I was very, very young and just immerse myself in all these kind of fantastical worlds, especially when I was a kid, right.

我小時候幾乎每天讀一本書，然後沉浸在各種奇幻的世界裡，尤其是我小時候，對吧。

And I think when I discover computers, the Internet, the local library, all of a sudden the kind of world of knowledge just expanded very rapidly.

我覺得當我發現電腦、網路、還有圖書館時，知識的世界突然就快速擴展了。

I've always been much more interested in sort of weird fringe ideas.

我一直對比較奇怪、邊緣的點子比較有興趣。

I think in my later life, I think if I have to sort of look back, I think that's probably always been one of my strengths, that I know a lot of things about a lot of things.

我覺得在我後來的人生中，如果我回顧的話，我想那一直是我的一個優勢，就是我對很多事情都有涉獵。

And sometimes it's the knowledge that in theory would not be very valuable that ends up in connection with a bunch of other things you've also learned in your life that become really valuable.

有時候，那些理論上價值不高的知識，串連起你人生中學到的其他事物，反而會變得非常有價值。

So I think, I think my understanding of culture and trends was probably one of the first things I noticed when I was young.

所以我覺得，我對文化和趨勢的理解，大概是我從小就注意到的第一件事。

I was very good at predicting what music would be popular, what clothing would be popular.

我非常擅長預測什麼樣的音樂會流行，什麼樣的服飾會流行。

Never much as someone who is part of it, but

most an observer of what's happening around me, I think, later on in life.

而是更多地觀察我身邊發生的事情，我想，這對我後來的人生很有幫助。

I think that translated well into business, where I'm not an AI researcher.

我覺得這也很好地轉化到了商業上，我並不是一個 AI 研究員。

We're not successful because I sat at some point, great university and came up with a new technology and commercialized it.

我們之所以成功，不是因為我曾經在哪所很棒的大學，想出了一項新技術並將其商業化。

That's not me, that's my teammates, my co founders, my colleagues who are excellent at that.

那不是我，那是我的隊友、我的共同創辦人、我的同事們，他們在這方面非常優秀。

But I think I am uniquely good at, is kind of looking around corners and seeing trends.

但我認為我最擅長的是，能夠預見趨勢。

And that's driven really just by a very deep curiosity for the world.

這一切都源於對世界的好奇心。

I think you've mentioned a lot of fascinating things that you felt that your problem with your hearing at an early age made you more resilient in many ways.

你提到很多你覺得小時候聽力不好，反而讓你變得更有韌性。

Because you say that you read a lot, but you weren't the outsider.

因為你說你讀了很多書，但你並非局外人。

So you, you were part of a big group and, and

所以，你是個大團體的一份子，而且

you felt part of society, part of your school class, or you felt aloof from it?

你覺得自己是社會的一份子、班級的一份子，還是覺得自己置身事外？

嗯，其實，我一直都覺得兩者兼具。

Yeah, I've never felt like, contradiction.

對啊，我從來沒有覺得有什麼矛盾。

But I think I've always just had this, like, side of me that, that I never really shared with much other than, like, a few friends.

但我覺得我一直都有這樣的一面，我沒有真的跟很多人分享過，除了，像是，幾個朋友。

And actually I would Say almost to this day is, I would say, almost still the case.

事實上，我會說，直到今天，我會說，幾乎還是這樣。

I have very deep friendships with people around very specific things.

我跟一些人有非常深厚的友誼，是關於非常特定的事物。

You know, some of my best friends will be all about music, and

你知道，我的一些最好的朋友都非常熱愛音樂，

我們在這方面會鑽研得很深入。

But I think most people who met me in my teenage years and kind of before Synthesia would probably not like, notice these things around me.

但我想，在我青少年時期，以及在 Synthesia 之前認識我的人，大概不會注意到我身邊有這些東西。

Victor 就是個普通、正常的大男孩。

He likes to go out, likes to have fun, and does what most other normal kids do.

他喜歡出去玩、喜歡找樂子，做著其他正常小孩會做的事。

But as everyone, of course, I think we have our own interests and curiosities.

但就像大家一樣，我想我們都有自己的興趣和好奇心。

I think I just never in Denmark really felt like there was that many people to share it with.

我想我在丹麥時，並沒有覺得有太多人可以分享這些。

Because I think it's a lovely place, but it's a small place, right.

因為我覺得那裡是個很棒的地方，但地方不大，對吧。

And I think people tend to believe what others around them believe and maybe not really challenge themselves as much because of their thinking.

而且我覺得大家傾向於相信身邊的人相信的事，可能不太會挑戰自己，因為他們的想法。

And I just found early on that getting into heated discussions around these things just didn't feel very productive because it didn't feel like it was like a high quality discussion.

我早就發現，針對這些事情展開激烈的討論，感覺不太有生產力，因為感覺不像高品質的討論。

Who were the people who supported you most?

I'd say it's definitely family and friends.

So I have two amazing parents that have always let me pursue my interest and been supportive of that, both in my early life, but

我有兩位很棒的父母，他們一直讓我追尋自己的興趣，並且一直支持我，無論是在我早年生活，

And actually my dad was at some point in my teenage years when I was very confused about what I should do with my life.

其實在我青少年時期，我對人生要做什麼感到非常迷惘的時候，我爸就跟我說了。

And he's like, well, you've always been really good at computers.

他說，嗯，你一直都很擅長電腦。

為什麼不做跟電腦有關的事情呢？

And when he said that, it was like the most obvious thing.

他這麼一說，就好像是最明顯不過的事了。

But for some reason, I never really, like, put, you know, two and two together.

但不知道為什麼，我從來沒有真正，你知道，把這些事情連想在一起。

What did you think you had to do before your father gave you that epiphany?

在你爸爸給你那個啟發之前，你覺得自己必須做什麼？

Well, I was kind of lost a little bit in my teenage years.

嗯，在我青少年時期，我有點迷失方向。

我從小就對很多事情感興趣，但這些興趣都比較不尋常。

我討厭別人告訴我要做什麼，像是因為被告知而學習某樣東西。

I'm very rebellious to the point where it can become sometimes probably a net negative.

我非常叛逆，甚至到了有時候可能弊大於利的地步。

But I'm very rebellious and I really dislike a teacher telling me that I have to learn something just because there's one of my early teachers who said Victor is.

但我真的很叛逆，而且我非常不喜歡老師告訴我必須學某樣東西，就像我早期的一位老師說維克多。

I think you said he's very smart and he's very deeply interested just rarely in what the rest of the class is doing.

我認為你說他很聰明，而且他非常有興趣，只是很少對班上其他人正在做的事情感興趣。