Name: 佐蘭·馬姆達尼談他擔任紐約市長的首要任務 (完整影片專訪) (Zohran Mamdani on his first priorities as NYC mayor (Full video interview))
Uploaded: 2026-01-12T17:09:36.000Z
Duration: 21 min 12 s

I was trying to be the host for a second.

No, I was actually gonna wear a suit, but I decided that was your thing and not mine.

沒有啦，我本來是要穿西裝的，但我後來覺得那是你的風格，不是我的。

Did you buy a new one for the inauguration?

You know, we're glad to talk to you at this point because, you know, we want to focus on the transition.

這樣，我們很高興在這個時候跟你聊，因為，你知道，我們想專注在轉型這件事上。

Not only how you all have conducted it, but

不只是你們是怎麼執行這件事的，而是

also you're thinking about how it informs the term ahead.

你們也在思考這件事如何能為接下來的任期提供指引。

We know that kind of mayoral transitions can sometimes be the high watermark for elected officials.

我們知道，這種市長的交接有時候可能是民選官員的最高峰。

I recently saw that you were +15 in your own favorability.

How do you reverse what has been a historic trend?

How do you make sure that this moment in office, that you're taking office is not the.

你要怎麼確保這個任期，你即將上任的時刻不是。

You know, I think I am aided by the fact that I have not given much weight to polls and favorability in the past, which is part of the reason why I'm sitting in front of you, because I don't.

這樣，我想我得益於我過去並沒有太重視民調和好感度，這也是我現在坐在你面前的原因之一，因為我不會。

I didn't even have enough recognition to have favorability done at the beginning of.

我一開始甚至沒有足夠的知名度可以去關注好感度。

It comes back to the fact that we ran a race on an affordability agenda.

這回歸到我們是打著可負擔議程來競選。

It spoke to New Yorkers living in the most expensive city in the United States.

這對住在美國最貴城市紐約客們說話。

I think kind of the premise of your point is that this is the moment of hope, and

我覺得你提問的基礎是，這是充滿希望的時刻，然後

接著就是接下來會發生什麼的問題。

And even beyond the transition as a high watermark, oftentimes campaigns, there's.

甚至超越了這次選舉的最高點，很多時候競選活動，會有。

There's already a temptation of nostalgia for what the campaign was.

會有一種懷舊的誘惑，懷念這次競選活動。

We have to ensure the campaign is not the story we look back on.

我們必須確保這次競選活動不是我們回顧的焦點。

It's the path to the story that we've yet to start.

而是我們尚未開始的故事之路。

而我認為這又回到了兌現承諾。

That comes back to freezing the rent, making buses fast and free, delivering universal childcare.

這意味著凍結租金、讓公車快速免費，以及提供普及的育兒服務。

You have to transform people's lives in a way that they can actually touch and feel and hold on to so that they're not just grasping at the memories of what the struggle was like.

你必須以一種人們能實際觸摸、感受和抓住的方式來改變他們的生活，這樣他們就不只是在回憶過去的艱辛。

I feel like the first clues of how you all plan to do that came in the transition.

我覺得你們打算怎麼做，第一個線索就出現在交接過程中。

You all had kind of unique moments putting out these explanatory videos about semi mundane kind of process things.

你們辦了一些很特別的活動，發布了關於一些有點平凡流程的解說影片。

We were at the event that you all held last week at the museum of moving image.

我們參加了你們上週在動態影像博物館舉辦的活動。

What is the goal of those type of events?

I think there's a temptation when you win, we've seen it in the past, to say, now trust me, you can go home.

我覺得大家會有個衝動，就是贏了之後，我們以前也看過，會想說，現在可以放心回家了。

The point of me winning is that you don't have to worry about politics anymore.

我贏的重點是，你們再也不用擔心政治了。

The point of me winning is we keep fighting for the same agenda together.

我贏的重點是，我們繼續一起為了相同的目標奮鬥。

And that means you bring people along with you and, and

這代表你們會帶著大家一起前進，而且

you also demystify what it is that you're doing.

也會讓大家更瞭解你們在做什麼。

I mean, this transition period is probably the most opaque period, typically because it's between a campaign and governance and most New Yorkers are never brought into it.

我的意思是，這個過渡時期通常是最不透明的，因為它介於競選和執政之間，而且大多數紐約人從來沒有被納入其中。

對，通常只有內部人士才知道。

And I think that's both in the way that it's funded and it's the way that it's also spoken about.

我認為這體現在資金來源以及溝通方式上。

And we wanted New Yorkers to be at the heart of that because most people didn't even know that there's no public funding for transitions.

而且我們希望紐約人能站在這個核心，因為大多數人甚至不知道過渡時期是沒有公共資金的。

And so we've been asking people to donate to a transition.

所以我們一直在請大家捐款給過渡時期。

The first thing we have to educate them about is what is a transition?

我們要先讓大家瞭解的第一件事是，什麼是過渡時期？

And I've had so many people ask me, what do you mean you have to pay for office space?

而且有很多人問我，你們說要付辦公室空間是什麼意思？

What do you mean you have to pay for payroll, health care, inauguration.

你們說要付薪資、健保、就職典禮是什麼意思？

These are often things that are not brought up because you fundraise in the manner of previous administrations whose average donations were north of $1,000 per person and ours, you know, I think more than 95% of our donations are below $250.

這些通常是沒被提出來的，因為你們的募款方式是仿照過去的政府，平均每人捐款超過一千美元，而我們的捐款，我想超過95%都在兩百五十美元以下。

That is one aspect of how you bring people into this.

這就是將人們納入其中的一個面向。

Sounds like the demystifying efforts are connected to what, you know, has been described as inside out strategy that.

聽起來這個揭開神祕面紗的努力，跟你們所說的「由內而外」的策略有關。

You feel as if you have to keep the public engaged, you have to keep that public pressure going.

你們覺得必須讓公眾持續關注，必須維持那份公眾壓力。

And I think there's often a description as if the campaign ends and governance begins with the implication that you leave people behind.

我認為常有一種說法，好像競選結束，執政就開始了，言下之意是你們會把 people 拋在腦後。

And, and in many ways you have to keep going in the same kind of manner.

而且，而且在很多方面，你們必須以同樣的方式持續下去。

How does that get harder once you're in office?

To your point about the ways that campaigns and transitions kind of create a sense of unity, you know, once the inauguration happens, you know, everything becomes Mayor Mamdani's problem.

關於競選和過渡時期如何營造團結感，你說得對，你知道，就職典禮一結束，你知道，一切都變成 Mamdani 市長的難題了。

How do you make sure, how, how do you reverse the trend of public disengaging at that moment?

你們要怎麼確保，怎麼，怎麼扭轉公眾在那一刻脫離參與的趨勢？

I think you have to do the work to create actual opportunities for engagement as opposed to vague invitations.

我認為你們必須努力創造實際的參與機會，而不是含糊的邀請。

So for example, we Put together an event for 12 hours called the Mayor's Listening, where, as you were saying, your team was there for 12 hours.

舉例來說，我們舉辦了一個為期 12 小時的活動，叫做「市長傾聽」，就像你說的，你們團隊在那裡待了 12 小時。

I sat at the Museum of the Moving Image and I listened to New Yorkers.

我在動態影像博物館裡，聆聽紐約市民的聲音。

More than 140 New Yorkers came to share their stories with me.

有超過 140 位紐約市民來跟我分享他們的故事。

And the point of that is not just to say I listened, it's to actually take what they're saying and then act upon it.

這樣做的重點不只是說我聽了，而是真的把他們說的話，然後付諸行動。

They were the concerns of undocumented New Yorkers sharing with me the immense fear that they live with on a day to day basis, the exhaustion that it leaves them with, the anxiety whenever they leave their home.

這些是無證紐約市民跟我分享的，他們每天都活在巨大的恐懼中，那種筋疲力盡、每次出門都感到焦慮。

To a New Yorker who came to me and said, my number one issue is what time is the construction on the Van Wyck going to take place?

有一位紐約市民來找我說，我最關心的問題是 Van Wyck 大道什麼時候會施工？

Because it used to be during the nighttime and now it's during the day.

因為以前是在晚上施工，現在卻是在白天。

And I think this idea that in fact governing could be informed by the people you're governing for, as opposed to treating New Yorkers as if they're just subjects.

我認為這種想法，也就是治理可以從被治理的民眾身上獲得啟發，而不是把紐約市民當成只是臣民。

And I think that's, that's the approach we've tried to take over the course of the transition and also the understanding that in order for people to act upon something, they have to know about something.

我認為這就是我們在過渡期間試圖採取的做法，同時也明白，人們要對某件事採取行動，就必須先知道這件事。

We even take that approach to rights in this moment, when so many New Yorkers are fearful of ICE agents and the potential of immigration enforcement as we've seen it take place across the city.

我們甚至在這個時候，當許多紐約市民都害怕 ICE 探員，以及我們在全市看到的移民執法行動時，也採取了這種處理權利的方式。

We thought it was important to remind every New Yorker of their own rights and, and

我們認為提醒每位紐約市民瞭解自己的權利很重要，而且

so that the only way they can exercise them is if they know about them.

他們也只有在知道這些權利的情況下，才能行使它們。

You know, is there any argument though, that like, you know, this is a little glitz and glamour?

你覺得，有沒有一種說法，像是，你知道，這有點太光鮮亮麗了？

Were there, these were largely supporters of yours.

當時，這些人大多是你的支持者。

I want to hear more about, like, did you hear criticism, did you hear any critiques of your campaign from some of those New Yorkers you sat down with, what set with you?

我想多聽聽，像是，你聽到批評了嗎？你從你坐下來聊過的那些紐約市民那裡聽到對你競選活動的任何評論嗎？

That wasn't necessarily something that was already part of your agenda.

這不一定是你議程裡原本就有的部分。

You know, I think any gathering of New Yorkers has to have some critique.

你知道，我認為任何紐約市民的聚會都一定會有批評的聲音。

Otherwise, you know, it's not a gathering of New Yorkers.

不然，你知道，這就不是紐約客的聚會了。

And I think there's critique in a fear of, are you, are you going to be able to deliver on these things?

而且我認為其中有一種擔憂，就是你能不能兌現這些承諾？

Because there's a fear of, should I have believed in this?

因為有一種擔憂，我當初是不是不該相信？

And my job and our job in building a team is to showcase the seriousness with which we took those commitments and how we actually deliver them.

而我的工作，以及我們建立團隊的工作，就是要展現我們對這些承諾的重視程度，以及我們實際如何兌現它們。

And then I think there were other New Yorkers for whom we.

然後，我認為還有一些紐約客，我們。

他們告訴我，他們就是不知道。

Even if we accomplish these things, will they be able to stay in this city and having to build out an agenda that speaks to the specificity of their concerns, the universal approach at large.

即使我們完成了這些事，他們還能留在這個城市嗎？並且需要制定一個能針對他們具體擔憂，以及整體普遍性問題的議程。

And then I had New Yorkers who came and shared with me.

然後，我遇到一些紐約客，他們來跟我分享。

You know, one New Yorker spoke to me about how their number one concern was about casinos, you know, and

你知道，一位紐約客跟我說，他們最關心的就是賭場，你知道，還有

I shared with them that I myself am skeptical of the economic development promises that come with casinos.

我跟他們分享，我自己也對賭場帶來的經濟發展承諾感到懷疑。