Name: 《鋒迴路轉》電影幕後口述史！(爆雷注意！) (An Oral History of the Knives Out Movies (SPOILERS!))
Uploaded: 2025-12-20T17:21:20.000Z
Duration: 21 min 38 s

Hi, I'm Ryan Johnson, and this is an oral history of the Knives out movies.

哈囉，我是 Ryan Johnson，今天要帶大家來聊聊《Knives out》電影的口述歷史。

To me, I kind of wanted to, I don't know, I was just really excited about making a whodun.

我個人是滿想的，我不知道，我就是很興奮能拍一部 whodunit。

And I didn't know if it was Catch would catch on or we'd be able to make more of them, but

我當時不知道《Catch》會不會紅，或是我們能不能拍更多，但是

I knew I wanted to make this type of movie that I grew up loving.

我知道我想拍這種我從小就很愛的電影類型。

And part of the inspiration for that was Agatha Christie's books, but

Agatha Christie 的書是其中一個靈感來源，但是

also these all star glamorous kind of big fun adaptations that were done in the late 70s and early 80s.

還有那種 70 年代末到 80 年代初拍的、全明星陣容、華麗又有趣的改編電影。

So this is started with Murder on the Orient Express with Albert Finney and then Death on the Nile was really the sweet spot for me with Peter Ustinov and Evil under the Sun.

所以這部電影是從《Murder on the Orient Express》開始的，由 Albert Finney 主演，然後《Death on the Nile》對我來說是個甜蜜點，由 Peter Ustinov 主演，還有《Evil under the Sun》。

And these movies had David Niven and Ingrid Bergman and Maggie Smith and they just had these amazing Bette Davis.

這些電影有 David Niven、Ingrid Bergman、Maggie Smith，還有超讚的 Bette Davis。

They had kind of an entire generation of these amazing actors playing this ensemble of suspects.

他們找來了整整一代超棒的演員，來演這些嫌疑犯的群戲。

So that's what we were gunning for with that first movie is I thought, okay, let's see if we can kind of cast a rogues gallery of movie stars to come in and play these juicy little character parts in this ensemble.

所以我們拍第一部電影時就是朝這個方向努力，我想說，好吧，看看我們能不能找來一堆電影明星，讓他們來演這些有趣的配角。

你們就像是來吃盛宴的 pack of vultures。

Well, I, I had written the script and so.

And the character of Blanc was on the page.

而且 Blanc 這個角色在劇本裡就已經存在了。

I think I. I think I described his accent as.

我覺得我。我覺得我形容他的口音是。

He has the slightest hint of a southern accent.

Just because I didn't want to freak out any potential investors.

只是因為我不想嚇跑任何潛在的 investors。

With that script that we had, Daniel actually was like a very last minute get on our part.

憑藉著那份 script，Daniel 其實是我們最後一刻才找來的。

We did because Daniel hadn't been available when we were trying to put the movie together.

我們之所以找他，是因為我們在籌備電影時 Daniel 並沒有檔期。

And so we had gone to other actors and just couldn't find one.

所以我們找了其他演員，但就是找不到合適的。

他一直都是我名單上的第一人選。

But he was making one of the James Bond movies and was not available.

但他當時正在拍一部 James Bond 電影，無法配合。

And then a miracle happened and there was a delay in one of the, in the James Bond movie.

然後一個 miracle 發生了，他拍的 James Bond 電影出現了 delay。

And he had the three months that opened up suddenly.

然後他突然空出了三個月的檔期。

And so we jumped on that and got the script to him.

所以我們立刻抓住機會，把 script 寄給他。

And once he said yes to the script, were shooting the movie, I think like five or six weeks later, it was really, really fast.

而且他一同意 script，我們大概五、六週後就開始 shooting 了，真的非常快。

I mean, the big thing that we figured out was the accent.

我認為我們搞定的最大重點就是口音。

And it was passing, it was texting back and forth, like YouTube clips of Faulkner and of, you know, and

我們來來回回地傳送 Faulkner 的 YouTube 影片，還有你知道的，

And we kind of went back and forth with a bunch of different options.

然後我們來來回回試了好幾種不同的選項。

I just kept saying, I want it to be a pleasant voice to listen to.

我一直說，我希望這是一個聽起來舒服的聲音。

We ended up kind of landing on historian Shelby Foote, who is in a lot of the Ken Burns documentaries, the Civil War documentary that he did.

我們最後選定了 Shelby Foote，他出現在很多 Ken Burns 的紀錄片裡，就是他拍的南北戰爭紀錄片。

The big pre production task for Daniel and I. I don't know what's happening.

這是 Daniel 和我前期製作的大任務。我不知道發生了什麼。

That's one of the early things that I kind of struck on with these movies, is that Benoit Blanc can't be the main character and the detective.

我一開始覺得這些電影有點奇怪的地方是，Benoit Blanc 不能是主角兼偵探。

In a lot of Agatha Christie novels like Poirot, you're rarely seeing the story through Poirot's eyes.

在很多 Agatha Christie 的小說裡，像是 Poirot，你很少從 Poirot 的視角看故事。

Whether it's Hastings or whether there's a local to the town that Poirot kind of engages with to solve the crime.

無論是 Hastings 還是當地人，Poirot 都會跟他們互動來破案。

But I think these are always best when the detective is a little bit mysterious.

但我覺得這些電影最棒的時候，就是偵探有點神祕感。

I mean, the whole character is built around Marta and built around kind of her dilemma and her journey in that first movie.

我覺得整個人物都是圍繞著 Marta 建構的，還有她在第一部電影裡的困境和旅程。

In some ways, Blanc is almost the antagonist in the first movie because you're afraid for much of the movie that she's gonna get caught by Blanc, even though you sense he's sympathetic to her.

在某些方面，Blanc 在第一部電影裡幾乎是反派，因為電影大部分時間你都擔心她會被 Blanc 抓到，即使你感覺他對她很同情。

Anna was kind of the starting point and she was the very last person that we cast because we read different actors for that part and it was a whole kind of auditioning process.

Anna 算是起點，也是我們最後才選定的演員，因為我們為那個角色試鏡了不同的演員，整個過程就是一個試鏡。

It's a character that just immediately needs to have the aud audience's empathy with Anna.

這個角色需要觀眾立刻對 Anna 產生同情心。

She just plugged into it and could get that right away.

她立刻就進入狀況，而且馬上就抓到了。

also is just such an intelligent actor and is just vulnerable and just all the things that the part needed.

而且她就是這麼聰明的演員，又很脆弱，完全符合這個角色的需求。

我在《紐約客》上看過你的介紹。

I just buried my 85 year old father who committed suicide.

我剛安葬了我八十五歲、自殺的父親。

Well, I mean, I guess it's when the first one came out and we saw audiences responding to it and there was a point where my friends who have kids, when they started telling me that their, you know, 12 year old was really into the movie, that's when my, my ears perked up.

嗯，我是說，當第一部出來的時候，我們看到觀眾的反應，有時候我朋友有小孩，他們開始跟我說，他們十二歲的孩子很喜歡這部電影，那時候我就開始注意了。

Because for me, that was the age that I was getting into those Agatha Christie movies.

因為對我來說，那時候我就是開始看那些 Agatha Christie 電影的年紀。

That's the age when they were connecting for Me and forming kind of a lifelong love of these things.

那個年紀，它們開始跟我產生連結，也形塑了我對這些東西的終身喜愛。

So it was in the wake of releasing the first one that I realized, oh, maybe we can make more of these.

所以在第一部上映之後，我才意識到，喔，也許我們可以拍更多這樣的電影。

If I was going to make more of them, I didn't to that, first of all, they would be like Agatha Christie novels where it would be a different case, a different cast, a different setting, a different tone, a whole different deal every time.

如果我要拍更多這樣的電影，我希望它們會像 Agatha Christie 的小說一樣，每次都有不同的案件、不同的演員、不同的場景、不同的風格，完全不一樣。

And also I knew that if I was going to make more of them, I wanted to really explore the genre and I wanted each of them to have their own.

而且我也知道，如果我要拍更多這樣的電影，我想要真正地探索這個類型，我希望每一部都有它自己的。

Have its own identity besides just setting and tone.

擁有自己的特色，而不只是在場景和風格上的不同。

I wanted each of them to be trying something very different with the basic mystery that in addition to me writing during lockdown and thinking how great it would be to be on a Greek island right now, led to Glass Onion.

我希望每一部都能在基本的懸疑故事上嘗試一些非常不同的東西，這也加上我在封鎖期間寫作，並想著現在在希臘島嶼上有多棒，催生了《Glass Onion》。

Came out of the experience of lockdown very much.

The Last of Sheila is a movie that I was very inspired by, and

《The Last of Sheila》這部電影對我啟發很大，

it's a movie that more people have been discovering recently, but it's still kind of a hidden gem.

最近越來越多人發現這部電影，但它仍然是個隱藏的寶藏。

It's a great 70s murder mystery that was written by Stephen Sondheim and Anthony Perkins.

這是一部很棒的 70 年代懸疑推理片，由 Stephen Sondheim 和 Anthony Perkins 編劇。

James Coburn, Richard Benjamin, Diane Cannon, Raquel Welch, Ian McShane.

有 James Coburn、Richard Benjamin、Diane Cannon、Raquel Welch、Ian McShane。

And also the other big influence was Evil under the sun, which is the second Ustinoff Poirot adaptation and has kind of a bigger, campier tone and is set on a beautiful vacation island.

另外一個很大的影響是《Evil under the Sun》，這是第二部改編自 Ustinoff Poirot 的作品，風格比較宏大、誇張，而且背景設定在一個美麗的度假島嶼。

And those were kind of the two huge inspirations.

這兩部可以說是巨大的靈感來源。

I think I'm either going insane in my mind is a fueled up racing car and I got nowhere to drive it.

我想我不是瘋了，我的腦子就像一輛加滿油的賽車，卻無處可去。

Can I ask, Dan, have you tried crosswords?

我可以問一下嗎，Dan，你有試過填字遊戲嗎？

嗯，我只是列了一個願望清單。

And because of the tone of Glass Onion and because of the fact that it kind of delved into celebrity to a certain degree, it felt like tonally it would be okay to have some fun cameos.

因為《Glass Onion》的調性，以及它某種程度上深入探討了名人文化，所以我覺得在調性上加入一些有趣的客串是沒問題的。

And so I thought, well, who would blanc probably be Skypy zooming with during lockdown, playing zoom games with.

所以我想，嗯，Blanc 在封鎖期間可能會跟誰視訊玩遊戲呢？

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