Name: 傑森克拉克暢聊《莫道：家庭中的謀殺案》、麥可曼、諾蘭、畢格羅等話題！ (Jason Clarke Talks ‘Murdaugh: Death in the Family,’ Michael Mann, Nolan, Bigelow & More)
Uploaded: 2025-11-22T17:27:05.000Z
Duration: 24 min 20 s

The Murdaughs are a South Carolina legal dynasty.

Murdaughs 是南卡羅來納州的法律世家。

你們知道我，我是個正直的人。

I wanted to start with this list because it's kind of impressive when I really think about it.

我想先從這份名單開始，因為仔細想想，這還蠻令人印象深刻的。

You've portrayed like real life people more than a few times.

你扮演真實人物已經不只一次了。

So in the man from the Ironheart, you played Ed White, also Jerry west in Winning Time.

在 Ironheart 傳奇裡，你扮演了 Ed White，在 Winning Time 裡也扮演了 Jerry West。

But I'm curious for you, what is it like taking on somebody in this show, I'm sorry, where it's just so despicable and you have to add humanity to them.

不過我很好奇，在這部劇裡扮演一個這麼可鄙的角色，你又是怎麼為他注入人性的呢？

So like, how do you sort of balance that out?

所以，你大概是怎麼去平衡這件事的？

You decide to do it or not is the first thing you know, is this, is this a story that I feel like is worth telling?

你決定要做或不做，這是第一件事，你知道的，這個故事值不值得講？

Is this a story that's going to bring something new to this, you know, incredibly well known and followed story where people, you know, it's obsessed by this and have been, you know, right from just your ordinary punter and viewer and magazine writer and newspaper to, you know, the online world, ex homicide detectives posted all this stuff with regards to breaking down his depositions, breaking down his, you know, his interviews in the car.

這個故事會不會為這個已經非常有名、大家都在關注的故事帶來一些新的東西？你知道，人們對這個故事著迷，而且一直都是，從普通的觀眾、讀者、雜誌記者、報紙到網路世界，前凶殺案偵探都發布了關於他筆錄、他在車裡的訪談的分析。

And I think so there's that I thought we could with this, you know, and

然後我認為，我們可以用這個，你知道，

then the, you know, there was great fear.

然後，你知道，有很大的恐懼。

A lot of times this fear, like, am I going to be able to get there?

很多時候這種恐懼，像是，我能做到嗎？

This is a 265 pound man with red hair from South Carolina, you know, the lowlands there.

這是一個體重 265 磅，來自 South Carolina 的紅髮男人，你知道，那邊的低地。

And you know, well, maybe I can, I don't know.

你知道，嗯，也許我可以，我不知道。

And then with regards to what he does, some of those scenes, you know, you know, they're not going to be fun to shoot.

然後關於他所做的，有些場景，你知道，你知道，拍攝起來不會很有趣。

They're not going to be enjoyable nights, you know, because a lot of them were night scenes.

你知道，那些夜晚不會太好受，因為很多都是夜景。

Part of the reason for doing it was that I thought by humanizing this person, by seeing that he is a loving father and a loving husband even, you know, that's part of it.

之所以這樣做，部分原因是我認為透過人性化這個人，看到他也是一位慈愛的父親和丈夫，你知道，這也是其中一部分。

But to 360 the person, I think there's value and point to telling this story and showing it rather than it just being a, you know, being gratitude and so that's part of it.

但要讓這個人立體化，我認為講述這個故事並呈現出來是有價值的，而不是讓它只是，你知道，只是感激，所以這也是其中一部分。

Some of my favorite performances, like, you know, F.

我最喜歡的一些表演，像是，你知道，F.

Murray Abrams as Salieri in Amadeus, like the man that played Hitler in Downfall, Bruno Gantz, you know, the last week in the, in the bunker, you know, it's not going to be easy, you know, it's going to be draining to put on.

Murray Abrams 在《阿瑪迪斯》中飾演薩列裡，就像在《帝國毀滅》中飾演希特勒的演員，Bruno Gantz，你知道，在碉堡裡的最後一週，你知道，這不會容易，你知道，這會很耗費精力去表演。

I wore a fantastic wig, but a very tight wig.

我戴了一頂很棒的假髮，但非常緊。

You know, I had contact lenses on, you know.

你知道，我戴了隱形眼鏡，你知道。

And then, you know, you know, where it ultimately ends.

然後，你知道，你知道，最終的結局是什麼。

And with Patricia and the boys and everybody in it with this insane cast we had, you know, you're showing.

而 Patricia 和孩子們以及所有人都參與其中，還有我們超強的演員陣容，你知道，你展現了。

You shown how a man like this can pull the wool over everybody's eyes.

你展現了像這樣一個人如何能矇蔽所有人的眼睛。

你知道，事後諸葛總是說得容易。

He's disgusting and he's this, you know, that's hindsight.

他很噁心，他就是這樣，你知道，這都是事後諸葛。

One of the things that I was struck by the couple of people they met from the time was just how deceived they were.

當時我接觸到的幾個人，讓我印象深刻的是，他們被欺騙的程度有多深。

你知道，我們大多數人都是隨遇而安的。

You know, the cup's half full, and this man was not.

你知道，杯子是半滿的，而這個男人不是。

And that was one of the heartbreaking things.

Again, you know, I mean, I found out that Mark Tinsley, they, you know, two days after.

再一次，你知道，我的意思是，我發現 Mark Tinsley，他們，你知道，兩天後。

It was two days after, you know, that Maggie and Paul had been killed, they rang up with the Beaches and dropped the charges against it because thought it was just, you know, in light of what he was suffering, it was unfair.

就在 Maggie 和 Paul 被殺的兩天後，你知道，他們聯繫了 Beaches 並撤銷了對他的指控，因為他們認為，考慮到他所承受的痛苦，這是不公平的。

And you go, that breaks my heart, you know, so I'm gonna commit to playing this man as strongly as I can to.

你會說，這讓我心碎，你知道，所以我會盡我所能地扮演這個角色。

To get across the brutality and the simplicity and the complete horror of the decisions he made.

來傳達他所做的決定的殘酷、簡單和完全的恐怖。

And the one thing I want to say, too, it's like, again, I meant to say, going from, like, the most beloved man in baseball.

我想說的一點是，再一次，我的意思是，從像棒球界最受愛戴的男人。

I mean, beloved man in basketball, Jerry west, to playing, which is a villain in so many stories that.

我的意思是，籃球界備受愛戴的傳奇人物 Jerry West，到扮演一個在許多故事中都是反派的角色。

That takes a lot of, I think, range for an actor to do.

我認為這對演員來說需要很大的演技。

But is there a difference playing historical figures versus when you're just cast alongside someone in a normal feature?

但扮演歷史人物和在一般電影中與某人一起演出有什麼區別嗎？

Is there difference to the approach, or is it really just finding the character the same way you would with any script?

方法有區別嗎？還是就像處理任何劇本一樣，找到角色是相同的？

A lot of them are, you know, a deep internal is like, you know, you have to, you know, also did Rob hall and Everest.

很多時候，你知道，內心深處就像，你知道，你必須，你知道，也演了 Rob Hall 和 Everest。

You know, there's a couple of things there, particularly in these stories, which are, you know, incredibly well known.

你知道，這裡有幾件事，尤其是在這些故事裡，它們都是，你知道，令人難以置信地廣為人知。

You know, you have to be able to get in the ballpark to then zero it in and hope the text and the script and everything else is there.

你知道，你必須先抓到那個感覺，然後才能聚焦，並希望劇本和所有其他東西都在那裡。

And, you know, and I haven't used prosthetics in any of them.

而且，你知道，我從來沒有在這些角色中使用過假肢。

You know, it's been wigs, bitter things and it's like.

你知道，都是假髮、一些小東西，感覺就像。

This is my version of this person, you know what I mean?

這是我對這個人物的詮釋，你懂我意思嗎？

It's my people, but accept me and move on.

這是我的個人風格，但你們要接受我並繼續看下去。

And I think if you can get that right, you can bring the audience into a closer rather than the distance that you get from, wow, he looks exactly like him because he's got all that stuff on and you know enough to do it.

我覺得如果你能把這點做對，你就能讓觀眾更貼近，而不是因為哇，他戴了所有這些東西，看起來跟他一模一樣，而產生距離感，然後你知道，你就能做到。

It has to be tangible for me, you know, and then I think it's a good.

對我來說，它必須是具體的，你知道，然後我覺得這就對了。

Because the hardest thing is when you're taking stabs at well known moments.

因為最難的是當你在詮釋一些眾所皆知的時刻。

Like I remember in Rob hall on the mountain, there was a moment where why didn't he turn around with Doug Hanson who was the postman?

就像我記得在《Rob hall on the mountain》裡，有個時刻，為什麼他沒有轉身去找 Doug Hanson，他就是那個送信的？

And because he didn't turn around, Doug who was failing, which he should have.

因為他沒有轉身，Doug 就失敗了，他本來應該要成功的。

They went for the summit and then died on the way down.

他們攻頂了，結果下山時卻死了。

And you know, I'd met, you know, his wife at the time and his young daughter who was unborn but in his wife's belly.

而且你知道，我當時認識他太太，還有他還沒出生、在他太太肚子裡的小女兒。

And so you feel like, oh my God, I don't want to, I don't.

所以你會覺得，天啊，我不想，我不想。

I'm taking a stab at a real moment, which is critical here.

我要嘗試呈現一個真實的時刻，這在這裡非常關鍵。

And it was the same thing with the murder here, you know, it was the same thing with the walk saying Ted Kennedy back from the bridge.

跟這起謀殺案一樣，你知道，跟 Ted Kennedy 從橋上走回來一樣。

You know, it's those, it's those key moments where you want to bring everything to it, reality and presence.

你知道，就是那些關鍵時刻，你想要把一切都帶入，真實性和臨在感。

I don't want to take too much of a stab because you end up, if you're too untruthful there, destroying the credibility for the rest of it, you know, And

我不想太過隨意，因為如果你太不真實，就會毀了接下來的一切的可信度，你知道，而且

I got to say, I love say with the murder in this, there was a simplicity and a coldness to it.

我得說，我喜歡這起謀殺案，它有種簡潔和冷酷感。

You know, I go down there, I say the thing because, you know, we had the, the kennel talk.

你知道，我下去，我說了那句話，因為，你知道，我們有，那個狗舍的談話。

You can hear him in the background, you could hear his tone and the voice there, you know what I mean?

你可以在背景聽到他，你可以聽到他的語氣和聲音，你知道我的意思嗎？

It demystifies any murderous, homicidal lunacy there.

它揭開了任何謀殺、殺人狂的瘋狂面紗。

And I think tells Paul Porter, give the dog whatever he wants to eat, comes around the corner and locks and loads and you go, that's all it is.

我想告訴 Paul Porter，給狗狗牠想吃的任何東西，牠轉過來，鎖定並裝載，你就知道，就這樣了。

And when you put in everything else, the 360 of the humanity, the empathy and the fun, and

當你把所有其他東西都放進去，360 度的人性、同理心和樂趣，還有

you've seen a father who has a son and then you see what he does to this son and just Catch that glimpse of his eye before he does it.

你們看過一個父親對兒子做的事，然後在他動手前，捕捉到他眼神的瞬間。

And then you understand a man that's able to rip off and destroy so many lives.

然後你就能理解，一個能夠毀掉這麼多人生活的人。

And I was just gonna say that's the reaction that most people have when they first hear this story is oh my.

我本來就要說，大多數人第一次聽到這個故事時的反應就是「我的天」。

Did the project come to you before you found out the story?

是在你知道這個故事之前，這個企劃就找上你了嗎？

Because I know not everybody is me where I watch these girls.

因為我知道不是每個人都像我一樣，我會看這些女孩。

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