Name: 歐盟軍事快速反應系統的幕後是什麼？| DW 直播 (What's behind the EU plans for a military rapid response system? | DW News)
Uploaded: 2025-11-19T16:54:17.000Z
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基礎被動語態

In response to the growing security threat from Russia, the European Commission is set to propose an emergency system to speed up the cross border movement of troops and equipment.

為了應對俄羅斯日益增長的國安威脅，歐洲委員會將提出一個緊急系統，以加速部隊和裝備的跨境調動。

Military operators would be given priority access to railways and roads during a crisis and be allowed to cut through red tape.

在危機期間，軍事操作員將享有鐵路和道路的優先通行權，並能免除繁文縐節。

情態副詞

As DW's Terry Schultz reports from Brussels, this would allow a much faster reaction than is currently possible.

根據 DW 在布魯塞爾的 Terry Schultz 報導，這將能比目前更快速地做出反應。

Fears that Russia may strike beyond Ukraine suggest ever shorter timelines.

對俄羅斯可能攻擊烏克蘭以外地區的擔憂，顯示時間越來越緊迫。

Putin can be ready to test article during the next two or four years before 2030.

普丁可能在 2030 年前的兩到四年內準備好測試某項條款。

What hasn't changed quickly is the ability to ensure NATO would be there to fight back.

至今沒有快速改變的是確保北約能挺身對抗的能力。

Backup forces and firepower from across the alliance trying to get to a crisis spot would face lots of problems, hundreds of them identified by the European Commission itself as it launches the latest multi billion euro plan to change that.

來自聯盟各地的後備部隊和火力，在試圖前往危機地點時會面臨許多問題，歐洲委員會自己也確認了數百個問題，並推出了最新的數十億歐元計畫來改變現狀。

The White paper identified over 500 hotspot projects to military mobility.

白皮書指出了超過 500 個與軍事調動能力相關的熱點項目。

That needs to be also addressed urgently.

Our objective is that by the end 2027 we will have an EU wide military mobility area.

我們的目標是到 2027 年底，我們將擁有一個歐盟範圍內的軍事調動區域。

That's high ambition based on today's situation, where for decades too few efforts have been made to adapt roads and bridges for heavy military vehicles.

考量到現況，這是一個很高的野心，因為幾十年來，為了讓道路和橋樑適應重型軍用載具，所做的努力都太少了。

While it can take up to 60 days, for example, for military equipment to get from France to Romania due to bureaucracy and border procedures, analysts note that fixing these sometimes literal roadblocks are are long term expensive projects politicians have simply avoided addressing.

舉例來說，由於繁文縐節和邊境程序，軍事裝備從法國運到羅馬尼亞可能需要長達 60 天，分析師指出，解決這些有時是字面上的路障，是長期且昂貴的計畫，但政客們一直迴避處理。

We have the strategies, we have the priorities to enhance military mobility.

我們有策略，有優先事項來提升軍事調動能力。

But then what is needed in the end is political will.

And what we see, according to my opinion, is that the political will is not where it should be.

而我認為，我們看到的是政治意願並不如預期。

army General Ben Hodges commanded American forces in Europe, he ran into such red tape and restrictions trying to carry out multinational exercises with NATO forces.

軍隊將領 Ben Hodges 指揮歐洲美軍時，他在與北約部隊進行跨國演習時，遇到了這樣的繁文縐節和限制。

Once paratroopers were asked to show passports in the middle of a jump.

有一次，傘兵在跳傘過程中被要求出示護照。

Hodges coined the term military Schengen Zone to call for harmonized transport plans across alliance territory, something that's still lacking.

Hodges 創造了「軍事申根區」一詞，呼籲在聯盟領土內統一運輸計畫，但這仍然缺乏。

We need the same effect that a truckload of apples could go from Poland all the way to Lisbon, Portugal without ever stopping, you know, because they could travel all the way through the Schengen zone.

我們需要達到那樣的效果，就像一卡車的蘋果可以從波蘭一路運到葡萄牙的里斯本，中間完全不停，你知道嗎，因為他們可以一路穿越申根區。

And I said that's what we need for NATO forces, for military forces to be able to move without stopping.

我說這就是我們需要的，讓北約部隊、讓軍事部隊能夠不停地移動。

Some nations have cooperated to set up such corridors.

有些國家已經合作建立了這樣的通道。

A group led by the Netherlands, Germany and Poland, a model for the rest of the continent.

這是一個由荷蘭、德國和波蘭領導的團隊，為歐洲大陸的其他地區樹立了榜樣。

Mihaly Kiaja says some improvements could be made immediately, like simply having conversations between ministries, armed forces, national and local authorities and the private sector.

Mihaly Kiaja 表示，有些改進可以立即進行，例如在各部會、軍隊、國家及地方當局與私人企業之間進行簡單的對話。

These actors don't really cooperate together to enhance military mobility.

這些參與者並沒有真正合作來提升軍事調動能力。

In some cases they don't even speak to each other.

在某些情況下，他們甚至沒有互相溝通。

Says when they do, they need to understand just what's at stake.

他說，當他們溝通時，需要了解事情的嚴重性。

There's just still too many people don't believe that Russia would actually really attack.

還是有太多人根本不相信俄羅斯真的會發動攻擊。

他們就是這樣想的，這才是重點。

They are, they are conducting operations against us now.

他們現在正在對我們進行軍事行動。

And while NATO warns adversaries it's ready to fight tonight, many of the projects which would ensure it could keep up that battle should have been started yesterday.

儘管北約警告敵對國家，表示今晚已準備好開戰，但許多能確保其維持戰力的計畫，其實早該在昨天就開始了。

And Terry Schultz, who filed that report, joins me now.

剛才為您報導的 Terry Schultz 現在 joins me。

Terry, you ended it there should have been started yesterday.

Terry，您在報導中提到「早該在昨天就開始了」。

That leads me to perhaps the most obvious question of these problems, as you, you know, are as bad as you explain in your report there, why hasn't anything been done about it until now?

這讓我想到一個最明顯的問題，就像您在報導中所說的，問題這麼嚴重，為什麼到現在都還沒處理？

Well, it wouldn't be fair, Rebecca, to say that nothing has been done because they've been talked about for years and decades.

嗯，Rebecca，說什麼都沒做也不公平，因為這些問題已經討論了好幾年、幾十年了。

And there have been some projects, in fact, one very successful one, as I mentioned there in my piece, has been a corporate corridor, sort of a mini military Schengen zone reaching from the Netherlands over to Poland, where these countries, the Netherlands, Germany, Poland, have really reduced their red tape and looked at every infrastructure problem that might exist and they've worked together on eliminating them.

其實有些計畫已經在進行了，就像我在報導中提到的，有一個非常成功的案例，一個企業走廊，有點像是從荷蘭延伸到波蘭的迷你軍事申根區，這些國家，像是荷蘭、德國、波蘭，已經大大減少了繁文縐節，並檢視了可能存在的每一個基礎設施問題，他們一起努力解決了這些問題。

Now just a few days ago, more countries have signed on to that deal, eight countries now, including Belgium and Luxembourg and stretching over to Lithuania, the Czech Republic and Slovakia.

就在幾天前，又有更多國家簽署了這項協議，現在共有八個國家，包括比利時、盧森堡，以及延伸到立陶宛、捷克共和國和斯洛伐克。

So these kind of things are successful on a small scale.

所以這些事情在小規模上是成功的。

Now the European Union is saying and will say when it presents this plan later today that it wants this to be EU wide by 2027.

歐洲委員會現在表示，並將在今天稍晚提出這項計畫時說明，他們希望到 2027 年將此計畫擴展到歐盟範圍內。

Now everyone who's traveled inside the EU Schengen zone can imagine how that would work.

現在每個在歐盟申根區內旅行過的人，都能想像這會是怎麼一回事。

We barely know when we're crossing borders.

我們幾乎不知道自己什麼時候在跨越邊界。

We're not having to change trains like we had to in the old days.

So this is very much what they would like to to happen also for military forces when they have to cross borders.

所以這就是他們希望軍隊在必須跨越邊界時，也能發生的情況。

But rules and regulations, bureaucracy, and this is nothing new.

但規則、規定、官僚主義，這都不是什麼新鮮事。

It's always a problem, particularly in the eu.

這一直是個問題，尤其是在歐盟。

But surely all of that would likely go out the window in a real crisis.

但在真正的危機中，這些肯定都會消失。

You just reported on it a few minutes ago.

沒人確定俄羅斯下一步會怎麼做。

And you're probably talking about situations that are below the level of NATO's Article 5, where all the countries would have to come to the defense, you're talking about scale war, where certainly things would change and troops would be allowed to move quickly when it comes to bureaucracy.

而且你可能在說的是，還不到北約第五條款的程度，也就是所有國家都必須出動防禦，你說的是規模戰爭，那時情況肯定會改變，而且在官僚主義方面，部隊可以快速調動。

But you can't change the width of tunnels overnight.

但你不可能在一夜之間改變隧道的寬度。

你不可能在一夜之間讓道路變堅固。

You can't make sure that those bridges could carry these heavy tanks overnight.

你不可能在一夜之間確保那些橋樑能承受這些重型坦克。

And that's what would be necessary to fight at the strength that NATO believes would be necessary if Russia were to really come across the border.

這就是如果俄羅斯真的跨過邊境，北約認為必須具備的戰鬥力。

Now, we shouldn't be trying to, to scare people here.

現在，我們不應該試圖嚇唬大家。

No one thinks a threat like that is imminent.

沒人覺得那樣的威脅迫在眉睫。

But the whole deterrence policy is that you make sure you could defend your territory if it did happen.

但整個嚇阻政策就是，萬一真的發生，你要確保你能保衛自己的領土。

And that couldn't, simply couldn't happen at the level it needs to right now.

而這在目前需要的層級上，根本不可能、真的不可能實現。

You mentioned the time it will take replacing tunnels, reinforcing bridges, not being able to be done overnight and certainly not being able to be done without any money.

你提到更換隧道、加固橋樑所需的時間，不是一蹴可幾，當然也不是不用花錢就能辦到。

What is the European Commission going to propose financially to get these upgrades started?

歐洲委員會在財政上會提出什麼計畫來啟動這些升級？

The time is one thing, the money is another thing.

時間是一回事，錢又是另一回事。

And if we look back at the last seven year budget, where also military mobility was said to be a priority, they only granted 1.7 billion euros over seven years.

如果我們回顧過去七年的預算，當時軍事調動能力也被說是個重點，但七年下來只撥款了 17 億歐元。

Hardly anything when you look at the 27 member states and the 95 hotspots they identified at that point.

考量到有 27 個會員國，以及當時確定的 95 個危機地點，這根本微不足道。

So later today, as, as I've seen in the paper that the Commission will present, these 500 hotspots are going to get a proposal of just over 17 billion.

所以今天晚些時候，就像我在報紙上看到的，委員會將提出，這 500 個熱點項目將獲得超過 170 億的提案。

Now that's still not a lot when you look at what needs to be done, how expensive it is to undertake these huge infrastructure projects that will last over many, many years.

不過，看看需要做什麼，以及進行這些將持續許多年的龐大基礎設施計畫有多昂貴，這數字還是不多。

But it is a tenfold increase over the last seven year budget.

但這比過去七年的預算增加了十倍。

We don't know what that will look like once the budget is agreed.

我們不知道預算一旦確定後會是什麼樣子。

Those negotiations are just at an early stage.

But it shows that at least the Commission is willing to put more money toward seeding these projects that then will have to be largely funded by member states themselves.

但這顯示至少委員會願意投入更多資金來啟動這些項目，而這些項目之後大部分仍需由會員國自行出資。

I wonder, is there a danger in talking about this so publicly because then adversaries such as Russia or, you know, others may know, know about this, that this is a huge problem in Europe.

我很好奇，公開談論這件事會不會有危險，因為像俄羅斯或其他國家可能會知道，歐洲有這個巨大的問題。

Well, these 500 hotspots are not being publicized.

嗯，這 500 個熱點項目並沒有公開。

We don't know exactly what they are according to the Commission, but

根據委員會的說法，我們不確切知道它們是什麼，但是

you can read numerous reports that point out where a lot of the problems are and you can see it in the news.

你可以讀到很多報告，指出問題所在，新聞裡也看得到。

And I think everyone presumes Russia also knows where the biggest problems are.

我想大家都猜到俄羅斯也知道最大的問題在哪裡。

But what Ben Hodges has said is that if you don't talk about if you don't share with your publics what a big concern this is, they won't support them politically.

但 Ben Hodges 說過，如果你不談論，不讓大眾知道這有多令人擔憂，他們就不會在政治上支持。

And that's also part of this process that's also necessary.

這也是這個過程中必要的一部分。

So I think they've decided that this is the right balance now.

所以我想他們現在決定了這是個恰當的平衡。

DW Terry Schultz, thanks very much for your reporting.

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