Name: 德國外長質疑普丁是否會見澤倫斯基！ | DW 新聞 (German Foreign Minister has doubts Putin will meet with Zelenskyy | DW News)
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While the west looks for a peaceful solution for Ukraine, Germany's Foreign Minister, Johann Vadevohl, is on his first official trip to Asia after Japan.

在西方國家尋求烏克蘭的和平解決方案之際，德國外交部長 Johann Vadevohl 在訪問日本後，展開了他首次亞洲官方行程。

He's now come to Jakarta, Indonesia, where we're speaking with him.

他現在來到了印尼雅加達，我們正與他進行對話。

Has Europe become a safer place in the past few days?

過去幾天，歐洲變得更安全了嗎？

There's a good chance that this is a step towards security and peace.

這很有可能是一項邁向安全與和平的步驟。

After all, the American president was very committed in making sure that even the Russian president.

畢竟，美國總統非常致力於確保連俄羅斯總統。

The president is now basically considering a halt to the shooting and fighting and attacks on Ukraine, as well as discussions on a peaceful solution with Ukraine.

總統現在基本上正在考慮停止對烏克蘭的槍擊、戰鬥和攻擊，並與烏克蘭討論和平解決方案。

It's also positive that the American president is talking about security guarantees for Ukraine.

美國總統談論為烏克蘭提供安全保障，這也是個好消息。

Those are signs that good progress could be possible for the first time in this terrible war.

這些跡象顯示，在這場可怕的戰爭中，首次可能會有好的進展。

But now everyone's waiting to see whether Vladimir Putin is genuinely ready to preside over an end to this war.

但現在大家都在等著看，弗拉基米爾·普丁是否真心準備好主持結束這場戰爭。

Unfortunately, things are still looking very different on the battlefield.

不過，戰場上的情況還是很不一樣。

As you just mentioned, it has become clear that without security guarantees, there will be no peace in Ukraine.

就像你剛才說的，很明顯，沒有安全保障，烏克蘭就沒有和平。

President Trump has also stated that he expects Europe, and in particular Germany, to send troops.

川普總統也說過，他期望歐洲，特別是德國，能派軍隊過去。

Yes, that will have to be discussed in detail together.

And these talks are already happening, by the way.

而且，這些討論其實已經在進行了。

Careful preparations are being made in terms of military and security policy.

在軍事和安全政策方面，大家都在謹慎地做準備。

I would nevertheless advise, firstly, waiting to see whether talks even take place.

我還是建議，第一，先看看談判到底會不會發生。

And secondly, if talks do happen, we must see whether an agreement is found that is durable.

第二，如果談判真的發生了，我們得看看能不能找到一個持久的協議。

這方面，我們都在等著俄羅斯的決定。

Germany has so far never failed to show its readiness to take responsibility in this conflict.

德國到目前為止，從未缺席過在這個衝突中展現其承擔責任的意願。

From the very start, practically straight after his swearing in, Chancellor Friedrich Merz showed every commitment by traveling to Kyiv, by heading many meetings, and

從一開始，幾乎在他宣誓就職後，總理弗里德里希·梅爾茨就展現了所有承諾，他前往基輔，主持了許多會議，

recently by accompanying President Zelensky to Washington.

最近更是陪同澤倫斯基總統前往華盛頓。

Germany is taking responsibility in the form of the government and the chancellor.

德國是以政府和總理的形式承擔責任的。

It sounds as though you still have significant doubts that a meeting between Zelenskyy and Putin will take place.

聽起來您仍然對澤倫斯基總統和普丁總統之間的會面是否會發生，抱持著相當大的疑慮。

Well, there are obvious doubts because President Putin has not yet said yes to negotiations.

嗯，很明顯有疑慮，因為普丁總統還沒有同意進行談判。

President Zelensky said he is ready to hold a bilateral meeting with Putin and then a trilateral meeting with President Trump.

澤倫斯基總統表示，他準備與普丁總統舉行雙邊會談，然後再與川普總統舉行三邊會談。

All we're seeing is how he keeps attacking Ukraine every day.

我們只看到他每天持續攻擊烏克蘭。

All we see is him employing delaying tactics.

All we see is him coming up with new excuses and new conditions.

我們只看到他提出新的藉口和新的條件。

He finally has to understand that this war must be ended on some days.

他總有一天必須明白，這場戰爭必須結束。

Russia is also losing 1,000 young people in this war.

俄羅斯在這場戰爭中也正在失去一千名年輕人。

It's a completely senseless war that is so very damaging to Russia and its people.

這是一場完全沒有意義的戰爭，對俄羅斯及其人民造成了極大的損害。

And Putin has To realize that if he isn't prepared to negotiate, there will be further sanctions.

普丁必須意識到，如果他不準備談判，將會有進一步的制裁。

Europe and I think the United States who are now involved are prepared for that.

歐洲，我認為現在參與其中的美國也做好了準備。

If this meeting between Putin and Zelenskyy does actually take place, where will it happen?

如果普丁和澤倫斯基之間的會面真的舉行，會在什麼地方呢？

Geneva, Budapest, Qatar have been proposed.

提出了日內瓦、布達佩斯、卡達。

No, I don't think Berlin has any ambition to host these talks.

不，我不認為柏林有任何想主辦這些會談的意願。

We are participating through proposals and support.

We have already shown that and we will continue to show that in the future.

我們已經展現了這一點，未來也會繼續展現。

But we don't see our greatest contribution as being the venue for these talks.

但我們不認為我們最大的貢獻是提供會談的場地。

The most important thing is that they take place.

There are many good venues in Europe where they can be held.

歐洲有很多不錯的地點可以舉辦。

I think it should be as neutral as possible.

In the past, Switzerland has always been very good for this sort of thing.

過去，瑞士在這方面一直表現得很好。

This is your inaugural trip to Asia and people here are also closely observing efforts to start these talks over Ukraine's future.

這是您首次亞洲行，這裡的人們也密切關注著為烏克蘭未來展開會談的努力。

Depending on the result, could it encourage China to become more confrontational here in the region?

依據結果，這會不會鼓勵中國在這裡的區域變得更具對抗性？

Yes, that is one of the messages that I have brought with me.

是的，這也是我這次帶來的一個訊息。

We know how these crisis regions are linked and we either defend the international rules based order and peace together or we lose this battle.

我們知道這些危機地區是如何相互聯繫的，我們要嘛一起捍衛國際規則秩序與和平，要嘛我們就會在這裡輸掉這場戰役。

And we don't want to lose it here in Asia.

I was in Japan, but also now in Indonesia too.

我去過日本，現在也去了印尼。

People are very grateful that in Europe and the world there's a very clear position on Russia's war of aggress.

人們非常感謝歐洲和世界對俄羅斯侵略戰爭採取了非常明確的立場。

And that's exactly why I said here that a peaceful situation in the Taiwan Strait, for example, is as important for regional stability as it is for the global economy and also for economic and security policy in Europe.

這也正是我在這裡說的，臺灣海峽的和平局勢，對區域穩定、全球經濟，以及歐洲的經濟和安全政策都同樣重要。

People here see that and appreciate that Germany recognizes these issues.

這裡的人們看到這一點，也很感謝德國認識到這些問題。

But suppose it actually did come to a blockade.

What would, what would Berlin's response?

Berlin, how would you secure and protect Germany's maritime routes and supply chains here.

柏林，你們要如何在這裡確保和保護德國的海上航線和供應鏈？

I see that as a hypothetical question, thankfully, and

我認為這是個假設性的問題，謝天謝地，而且

can only repeat the call for the rejection of direct or indirect violence.

只能重申拒絕直接或間接暴力的呼籲。

That is our position and that is the position of practically all neighboring nations in this region.

這就是我們的立場，也是這個地區幾乎所有鄰國的立場。

Otherwise, I believe that the progress around the Russian war of aggression has shown one many nations are now prepared to work together.

否則，我相信俄羅斯侵略戰爭的進展已經表明，許多國家現在都準備好合作了。

We see a coalition of the willing supporting Ukraine, 30 nations, and

我們看到一個由30個國家組成的「意願聯盟」在支持烏克蘭，

there are also Asian states, Japan for example, that support it.

也有亞洲國家，例如日本，也支持。

So by the same token, this region has the right to demand solidarity from us.

所以同樣地，這個地區有權要求我們聲援。

New global partnerships are being created.

And something I also hope to achieve for Germany here is that people see us as reliable.

還有，我希望為德國在這裡達成的目標是，大家都能看到我們是可靠的。

We are showing it and that, of course, we can expect the same reliability from them too.

我們正在展現這一點，當然，我們也可以期望他們同樣可靠。

Shouldn't China really be involved in the talks over Ukraine's future?

中國難道不應該參與有關烏克蘭未來的談判嗎？

Putin is visiting Beijing at the start of September.

China is an important country, a huge country, which can have a lot of political influence, which has a lot of economic influence, and

中國是一個重要的國家，一個龐大的國家，它可以擁有很大的政治影響力，擁有很大的經濟影響力，而且

is a permanent member of the UN Security Council.

是聯合國安理會的常任理事國。

And for a long time now, we've been calling on China to use these opportunities and help ensure the war is ended.

長久以來，我們一直呼籲中國利用這些機會，幫助確保戰爭能夠結束。

Hardly any other country, any other government, has such a strong influence on Russia as China.

幾乎沒有哪個國家、哪個政府能像中國一樣對俄羅斯有如此強大的影響力。

Unfortunately, China hasn't used its opportunities so far, but it's never too late.

不幸的是，中國到目前為止還沒有好好利用這些機會，但亡羊補牢，猶未為晚。

So you're saying that you would welcome it?

所以你的意思是，你會歡迎這件事嗎？

We've already appealed to China several times, and

我們已經跟中國喊話好幾次了，

during my last talks with Foreign Minister Wang Yi, I called for both him and the Chinese state and party leadership to make more explicit use of these resources in their dealings with Russia.

在我上次跟外交部長王毅談話時，我呼籲他和中國的黨政領導層，在與俄羅斯打交道時，更明確地運用這些資源。

I would be very pleased if this appeal was heard in Beijing.

如果這個呼籲能在北京被聽見，我會非常高興。

But on your trip you've also criticized China.

但你在這次行程中也批評了中國。

You accused it of aggressive behavior and there was an immediate response from China.

你指控它有侵略性行為，中國也立即做出了回應。

How do your Indonesian allies, your Indonesian partners here today, see the criticism that you levelled?

你的印尼盟友，你今天在這裡的印尼夥伴，他們怎麼看待你提出的批評？

of course it is only a reaction to the regrettable behaviour that we repeatedly see from the Chinese side.

當然，這只是對我們一再看到的中國令人遺憾的行為的一種回應。

There have also been some serious incidents at sea here and the violation of court rulings and of borders and of sovereign rights.

在海上也發生了一些嚴重的事件，以及對法院裁決、邊界和主權權利的侵犯。

And I believe that we are allowed to respond to that.

我相信我們有權對此做出回應。

We are all subject to the same standards, whether in Europe, Africa or Asia.

無論是在歐洲、非洲還是亞洲，我們都必須遵守相同的標準。

My experience in Asia tells me that Germany's position is very valued.

我在亞洲的經驗告訴我，德國的立場非常受到重視。

It's not anti Chinese as such, but it's a position that stands for the law, international law, and

這並非針對中國本身，而是代表著法律、國際法的一種立場，

Germany expressly offers China its partnership and collaboration, and

德國明確向中國提出夥伴關係與合作，

we find it regrettable that China occasionally shows a rather different side of its behavior.

我們對中國偶爾展現出截然不同的行為感到遺憾。