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As a former fashion model and a former counsellor, how on earth did I become a director at a football club and a football club that was the first in the world to pay women the same as men?

身為前時尚模特兒和前輔導員，我怎麼會成為一家足球俱樂部的總監，而且這家足球俱樂部是全球第一家給予女性與男性同工同酬的？

基礎數量詞

I would say that I didn't have much of a relationship with football before moving to Lewis and if I did have a relationship with it, it was because I didn't like it.

我得說，在搬到 Lewis 之前，我跟足球沒什麼關係，就算有，也是因為我不喜歡它。

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We moved to Lewis in 2007 and my husband Charlie immediately wanted to get involved in the local football club.

我們在 2007 年搬到 Lewis，我先生 Charlie 當時就想投入當地足球俱樂部。

He helped mutualise the club in 2009 when it was on the brink of financial ruin with five other guys.

他在 2009 年和其他五個人一起，在俱樂部瀕臨財務破產時，協助它進行股份化。

But I just left them to it because football's football and to me I didn't want anything much to do with it.

但我把這些都交給他們處理了，因為足球就是足球，而我對它沒什麼興趣。

How would I describe Lewis Football Club to someone who doesn't really know it?

如果要向一個不太瞭解 Lewis 足球俱樂部的人介紹它，我會怎麼形容呢？

So Lewis Football Club is a small club near the south coast in East Sussex in England.

Lewis 足球俱樂部是位於英格蘭東薩塞克斯郡，靠近南海岸的一個小型俱樂部。

Since 2010, it's been a community owned, a mutual football club.

自 2010 年以來，它一直是社區擁有、股份制足球俱樂部。

But more esoterically, I'd describe it to someone as an optical illusion really.

但更深層次地說，我會把它形容成一個視覺錯覺。

in fact it's very big because of its massive campaigning agenda that it has.

事實上，它因為擁有龐大的宣傳議程而變得非常龐大。

So at the core of it, I describe it as a purpose driven football club and the mouse that roared in terms of when me and Ed Ramsden, another fellow director, first started hatching the idea of Equality fc.

所以，我會把它核心形容成一個宗旨驅動的足球俱樂部，以及「發出怒吼的老鼠」，這是在我和另一位總監 Ed Ramsden 構思 Equality fc 的想法時。

Every year a third of the board stand for re election.

每年董事會的三分之一成員會爭取連任。

So me and Ed were coming up for a three year period.

所以我和 Ed 經歷了三年的任期。

So Ed said to me in the rant, the election, what if we paid the women the same as the men?

所以 Ed 在那場激烈的討論中對我說，關於選舉，如果我們支付女性和男性相同的薪水呢？

What if we gave them all the same resources because.

如果我們給她們相同的資源呢，因為。

And he never really got to the end of the sentence.

I said, absolutely, this is something we should do.

我說，絕對可以，這是我們應該做的事。

A, because it's just, it's the right thing to do.

A，因為這就是，這是正確的事。

And then the B didn't really come till later, which is.

然後 B 其實是比較晚才出現的。

It turned out to be a commercially accidentally smart thing to do.

這結果證明是個意外的商業聰明之舉。

The way I got involved was that Charlie, Ed Ramsden said to me, as a woman and a bit of a feminist, you know, what would you say if we said we were going to pay the women the same as the men down at Lewis fc?

我之所以會參與進來，是因為 Charlie，Ed Ramsden 跟我說，身為一個女性，也是個女性主義者，你知道的，如果我們說我們要在 Lewis fc 支付女性和男性相同的薪水，妳會怎麼說？

I was really surprised at this question because I didn't know that women played football.

我對這個問題感到非常驚訝，因為我不知道有女性踢足球。

And then I thought, hang on, you guys are running this football club, there's women there and you're not paying them the same as the men.

然後我心想，等一下，你們在經營這個足球俱樂部，那裡有女性，你們卻沒有支付她們和男性相同的薪水。

It's the perfect response because you shouldn't be testing these ideas with people inside football because they're already, in the nicest sense, brainwashed and conditioned.

這完全是正確的回應，因為你不應該跟足球圈內的人測試這些想法，因為他們已經，用最溫和的說法，被洗腦和馴化了。

But if you talk to a woman outside of football and state that, then of course they're going to go, well, Dove doesn't even talk about its women's team.

但如果你跟足球圈外的一般女性聊到這件事，她們當然會說，連 Dove 都不會談論她們的女子隊。

What do you mean, they're not paid the same?

When I researched about women's football, I realized that women had been banned from playing football for 50 years in this country.

我研究女子足球時，才發現這個國家禁止女性踢足球長達 50 年。

So for 50 years, men had had a monopoly on this sport.

所以 50 年來，男性一直壟斷這項運動。

They'd had a monopoly on broadcasting rights, on sponsorships, on the kind of cultural takeover of football.

他們壟斷了轉播權、贊助權，以及足球文化的主導權。

So that someone like me growing up in the 70s, thought that it was all about men.

所以像我這樣在 70 年代長大的人，會以為這一切都是男性的。

During World War I, men who had worked in the munitions factories were needed at the front.

第一次世界大戰期間，在彈藥工廠工作的男性被徵召到前線。

That meant that women moved into the factories because there were more shells and those kinds of things needed.

這意味著女性進入了工廠，因為需要製造更多砲彈之類的物品。

But it also gave them a bunch of friends and some time to play football together.

但這也讓她們認識了一群朋友，並有時間一起踢足球。

And they decided it's a kind of double wall work where they work in the munitions during the week and on evenings and weekends they play football to raise money for charity, playing in major stadiums week in, week out and drawing large crowds of up to 50,000.

她們決定這是一種雙重工作，平日在彈藥工廠工作，晚上和週末踢足球為慈善機構籌款，每週都在大型體育場比賽，吸引多達五萬名觀眾。

One of the most famous teams ever was Dick Kerr.

其中一支最著名的球隊是 Dick Kerr。

Ladies who came to prominence during World War I, played in at Preston North Ends Ground for their very first match, had 10,000 paying spectators.

Ladies 在第一次世界大戰期間聲名鵲起，她們在 Preston North End 的球場進行了第一場比賽，吸引了 10,000 名付費觀眾。

They began internationals as well, playing against France.

她們也開始了國際賽事，與法國隊交手。

And this image is at Atlanta FC, which was a group of professional women, nurses, teachers, etc.

這張照片是 Atlanta FC，這是一個由護士、教師等專業女性組成的團隊。

In 1921, the FA banned women's football from pitches affiliated to the Football Association.

1921 年，英格蘭足球總會禁止了隸屬於該總會的球場上的女子足球比賽。

The FA claimed that football was unsuitable for women, so they couldn't ban it as such in law, but

英格蘭足球總會聲稱足球不適合女性，所以法律上不能禁止，但

they could stop women using the major stadiums that they had during World War I.

她們可以阻止女性使用第一次世界大戰期間使用的主要體育場。

And in they extended the ban to every pitch affiliated to the fa.

然後她們將禁令擴展到所有隸屬於英格蘭足球總會的球場。

So that was a blanket ban all over the country.

所以這在全國範圍內都是禁令。

And when women tried to play on rugby grounds and cricket grounds, the FA used their influence with the other sports codes to get them to stop using those grounds too.

而且當女性試圖在橄欖球場和板球場上比賽時，足總也利用了他們在其他運動項目上的影響力，讓她們也停止使用那些場地。

So it forced women's football underground.

所以這把女子足球逼入了地下。

The legacy of that ban is still with us very much today because it invented a myth that women's football was was not as spectacular or as exciting.

這項禁令的遺毒至今仍深刻影響著我們，因為它創造了一個迷思，認為女子足球不如男子足球精彩或刺激。

And it's put women's football at least 90 to 100 years behind men's football.

這讓女子足球至少落後男子足球九十年到一百年。

It made me feel so angry that a band that I had never known about was actually having these repercussions in my own life.

這讓我感到非常憤怒，因為一個我從未聽說過的禁令，竟然對我自己的生活造成了這麼大的影響。

It had taken me away from something that could have made me stronger as a woman.

它讓我遠離了本來可以讓我作為一個女性變得更強大的事物。

And there were people out there saying that these women didn't deserve the same as the men.

而且還有人說這些女性不配擁有和男性一樣的權利。

Without knowing this hidden history of women's football, without knowing that they used to get bigger crowds than men, I resolved right there and then to go and watch a women's football match.

在不知道女子足球這段被隱藏的歷史之前，不知道她們以前曾吸引比男性更多的觀眾，我當下就決定要去觀看一場女子足球賽。

So I went down to watch a match here at the Dripping Pan.

所以我下去 Dripping Pan 這裡看了一場比賽。

It wasn't what I thought football was at all.

This is exactly what I want my daughter and all her friends to see.

這正是我希望我的女兒和她所有朋友都能看到的東西。

I want my own friends to see what I need to see.

我希望我自己的朋友也能看到我需要看到的東西。

When I grew up, it was like I see a lot of, obviously the men football, you know, they become your heroes.

我長大的時候，就像我看到很多、顯然是男子足球，你知道的，他們成了你的英雄。

And then kind of when she's watching it, she can't kind of relate to them because they're men.

然後當她在看的時候，她好像無法與他們產生共鳴，因為他們是男性。

So bringing her to the women's football, she can look up to them and want to become them.

所以帶她去看女子足球，她可以仰望她們，並想成為她們。

So, yeah, it's, I think it's really important.

所以，是的，我認為這真的很重要。

My football story started when I was very young, younger than Bella.

我的足球故事開始於我非常年輕的時候，比 Bella 還小。

I played for an all boys football team because back then they didn't have girl teams.

我以前是踢男子足球隊的，因為那時候沒有女子隊。

And what I lacked back then, I'm seeing that she's getting now, which I appreciate a lot, and

而我以前缺乏的，我現在看到她得到了，這讓我很感激，而且

being on the sideline encouraging her and her friends, it means everything.

在場邊鼓勵她和她的朋友們，這對我來說意義非凡。

I think seeing young girls and seeing how excited they are to possibly play at this level, it's like, it's just so amazing.

我覺得看到年輕的女孩們，看到她們有多興奮有可能在這個層級比賽，這真是太棒了。

I feel like super proud that we've been a part of, like the movement and the journey.

我覺得很驕傲，因為我們參與了這場運動和旅程。

Like, you know, not as much as the lionesses, for example, but

就像，你知道的，不像獅心女子隊（Lionesses）那樣，但

everybody plays a part in growing the game.

每個人都在推廣這項運動上扮演了角色。

After my first match, watching Lewis FC women, I volunteered to tell other women that I called unwelcome women like myself about what was happening at Lewis and asked them to come and watch a football match, even if they didn't like football, to come in solidarity with the cause for gender equality.

在我看了 Lewis FC 女子隊的第一場比賽後，我主動去告訴其他像我一樣被認為不受歡迎的女性，關於 Lewis 正在發生的事，並邀請她們來看一場足球賽，即使她們不喜歡足球，也要為了性別平等的目標而來聲援。

I really wanted it to work for women, for girls, for men, for everybody, because I know that if you have a more equal society, you have happier people.

我真的很希望這能為女性、為女孩、為男性、為每個人都奏效，因為我知道，如果社會更平等，人們就會更快樂。

One of the crucial things about introducing Equality FC was that as soon as we'd done it, no one could say it couldn't be done.

推出 Equality FC 的關鍵之一是，一旦我們做到了，就沒有人能說這是不可能的。

And we got a lot of pushback initially, some internally, some from fans, a lot on social media.

一開始我們遇到了很多阻力，有些來自內部，有些來自球迷，還有很多來自社群媒體。

But that was great because the pushback meant that we could then constantly Hone our argument.

但這很棒，因為這些阻力讓我們能夠不斷地精煉我們的論點。

What people don't sometimes realize about Lewis Eppsey is that it wasn't just about pay, it was about the other aspects of a footballer's life.

有些人有時沒意識到，Lewis Eppsey 不僅僅是關於薪資，還關乎足球員生活的其他面向。

You know, the kind of behind the scenes support that Lewis were able to offer the men and the women.

你知道，Lewis 能夠為男、女隊員提供的幕後支持。

What makes Lewis different than other clubs is that feel part of the community and you feel that when you play every game like they're behind you.

讓 Lewis 與其他俱樂部不同之處在於，你會感覺自己是社區的一份子，每次比賽你都能感受到他們在你身後支持你。

Previously, I've been at places where you're treated as a player before you're a person, but

以前，我待過的地方，你被視為球員才被當人看，但

They respect you as a person before your number on the back of your shirt.

他們尊重你這個人，才看你球衣背後的號碼。

Yeah, it's just really special place to be.

是的，這裡真的是個很特別的地方。

I went out and I told them about what was happening at Lewis and I started to get really involved because I started to feel quite responsible for all these new kind of match day virgins that were coming along to these Lewis women's matches, meeting each other, they were networking.

我到處去告訴她們 Lewis 這裡發生的事，然後我開始非常投入，因為我開始覺得自己對這些第一次來看 Lewis 女子比賽、彼此認識、互相交流的「比賽新手」們，有種責任感。

We quadrupled the gate in just two seasons.

我們在短短兩個賽季內，觀眾人數就翻了四倍。

So when you run a football club, the three ways of making money for us, our sponsorships, ownerships and match day revenue.

所以，經營一家足球俱樂部，我們賺錢的三種方式是：贊助、所有權和比賽日收入。

So all three of those things increased after the introduction of Equality fc.

引入 Equality fc 後，這三項收入都增加了。

We have an amazing pitch which the FA gave us three quarters of a million quid to make.

我們有一個很棒的球場，英格蘭足球總會（FA）給了我們七十五萬英鎊來建造。

沒有 Equality fc，我們就沒有那個球場。

We wouldn't have had a huge sponsorship from Lyle and Scott without the Quality fc.

沒有 Equality fc，我們也不會有 Lyle and Scott 的大筆贊助。

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