Name: 被埃隆-馬斯克嘲弄：報道網絡仇恨的感受 - BBC News (Trolled by Elon Musk: What it’s like to report on online hate - BBC News)
Uploaded: 2025-07-28T16:56:28.000Z
Duration: 10 min 33 s

I think it would be fair to say I get hundreds of notifications.

可以說，我收到了數以百計的通知。

And not all of those are abusive, but some of them are.

並不是所有這些都是虐待，但有些是。

You don't want her to be worried that something bad's going to happen to you.

你不想讓她擔心你會遭遇不測吧。

You don't want anyone that cares about you to be worried.

I know by doing this interview with you and sharing it, I'll probably get more online abuse, but I'm already getting so much.

我知道，通過與你進行這次訪談並分享它，我可能會得到更多的網絡謾罵，但我已經得到了很多。

And I think that my job is to expose how this works and how people are targeted, because I'm a reporter who can do that.

我認為，我的工作就是揭露這一切是如何運作的，以及人們是如何成為攻擊目標的，因為我是一名能夠做到這一點的記者。

My job is investigating bad stuff that happens on social media.

我的工作是調查社交媒體上發生的壞事。

But social media is also the place where people can reach out to me and I can investigate their stories.

但社交媒體也是人們向我求助的地方，我可以調查他們的故事。

And that's kind of the complexity of social media in general, I think.

我認為，這就是社交媒體的複雜性所在。

Essentially, it involves investigating disinformation, trolling, other harmful content and revealing how it affects all of us real people in the real world.

從本質上講，它涉及調查虛假資訊、釣餌和其他有害內容，並揭示它們如何影響我們現實世界中的所有人。

The COVID-19 vaccine is not proven safe or effective.

COVID-19 疫苗的安全性和有效性尚未得到證實。

TikTok videos discussing Nicola Bully's case and using her name as a hashtag had accumulated over 270 million views.

在 TikTok 上討論妮可拉-布莉案件並以她的名字作為標籤的視頻已累計超過 2.7 億次觀看。

And I'm hearing quite a lot from younger people who are worried about parents who have fallen very deep into these COVID online movements.

我聽到很多年輕人說，他們很擔心那些深陷 COVID 在線運動的父母。

I think social media is much bigger than just disinformation and hate and all the harmful stuff.

我認為，社交媒體遠不止造謠、仇恨和所有有害的東西。

But I do think it's increasingly tied up with everything.

但我確實認為，它與所有事情的聯繫越來越緊密。

My job is interrogating how mistruths or trolling or abuse online can affect real people and then to investigate and hold to account the social media companies, policy makers, law enforcement, people who have a stake in this.

我的工作是探究網絡上的不實言論、嘲弄或謾罵如何影響到現實生活中的人們，然後對社交媒體公司、政策制定者、執法部門以及與此相關的人員進行調查並追究其責任。

The recent Panorama investigation I did looked at Twitter, the social media platform, and what's happened since Elon Musk took over at the end of last year.

我最近做的 "全景"（Panorama）調查關注了 Twitter 這個社交媒體平臺，以及自埃隆-馬斯克（Elon Musk）去年年底接手以來發生的事情。

Some of Twitter's 350 million users have been getting in touch with me about a rise in hate and abuse.

Twitter 的 3.5 億用戶中，有一些人與我聯繫，說仇恨和辱罵事件增多了。

He's the new owner of Twitter, and when he took over, there were lots of sackings, changes and new priorities made.

他是 Twitter 的新主人，在他接手 Twitter 後，有很多人被解僱，也有很多人做出了改變，並確定了新的工作重點。

And I wanted to understand how that was affecting users, the people that use Twitter.

我想了解這對用戶，即使用 Twitter 的人有什麼影響。

And so I tracked down people who work at Twitter, still work at Twitter, used to work at Twitter, to piece together how that's happened.

於是，我找到了在 Twitter 工作的人，現在仍在 Twitter 工作的人，曾經在 Twitter 工作過的人，來拼湊這一切是如何發生的。

We had noticed over the past few years that individuals were tweeting less and less, and that's because, you know, fear of abuse and harassment.

我們注意到，在過去幾年裡，個人發推的次數越來越少，這是因為，你知道，害怕被辱罵和騷擾。

I wanted to look at it because I'd noticed that I'd started receiving more hate on Twitter and also because I had lots of people reaching out to me about how they felt they were experiencing more abuse or seeing more hate on Twitter.

我之所以想研究這個問題，是因為我注意到我開始在推特上收到更多的仇恨，還因為有很多人向我反映，他們覺得自己在推特上受到了更多的虐待或看到了更多的仇恨。

So it felt quite a personal investigation to begin with.

是以，一開始我就覺得這是一次相當私人的調查。

In fact, specifically after Elon Musk took over, the online violence directed at you, picked up by our tools, has more than tripled.

事實上，特別是在埃隆-馬斯克上臺後，我們的工具所發現的針對你們的網絡暴力事件增加了兩倍多。

I really wanted to do an interview with Elon Musk, who's bought the company, and I actually did a Twitter voter poll, which is something that he's been using to make decisions about Twitter's future.

我很想採訪埃隆-馬斯克（Elon Musk），他收購了這家公司，我還做了一個 Twitter 選民投票，他一直在用這個投票來決定 Twitter 的未來。

And so I did a vote to catch his attention.

於是，我做了一票來吸引他的注意。

Over 40,000 Twitter users voted and 89% of them said they'd like Elon Musk to do an interview with me.

超過 40,000 名 Twitter 用戶參與了投票，其中 89% 的人表示希望埃隆-馬斯克接受我的採訪。

He didn't do that interview with me, or he hasn't yet.

他沒有接受我的採訪，或者還沒有。

And Twitter didn't get back to me about any of the allegations I made.

對於我提出的任何指控，推特都沒有回覆我。

My experience so far of doing these investigations is that you send off a letter to the social media companies, you lay out what your investigation reveals, you give them the chance to respond.

到目前為止，我的調查經驗是，給社交媒體公司發一封信，說明你的調查發現了什麼，給他們機會做出迴應。

I've never had any emails back from Twitter.

我從未收到過 Twitter 回覆的任何郵件。

Elon Musk didn't respond to any of the points raised in the programme.

埃隆-馬斯克沒有迴應節目中提出的任何問題。

However, he tweeted about the programme, saying, And then he replied to people saying trolls are kind of fun.

不過，他在推特上就該節目寫道："然後他回覆人們說，巨魔是一種樂趣。

It wasn't very fun being tweeted by Elon Musk in so much as I was absolutely bombarded with hate, some of the worst hate I've ever had.

被埃隆-馬斯克發推特並不是一件很有趣的事，因為我絕對是被仇恨轟炸了，有些是我遇到過的最糟糕的仇恨。

And I deal with quite a lot of hate because of the topic I cover, but a real deluge.

由於我所報道的主題，我面對著相當多的仇恨，但也是真正的洪水猛獸。

When I first saw that Elon Musk had tweeted me, it was quite early over here and I had so many messages and I thought, oh, wow, what's happened?

當我第一次看到埃隆-馬斯克在推特上給我發消息時，時間還很早，我收到了很多消息，我想，哦，哇，發生了什麼？

Rothell LMAO, I'm not ever quite sure how you're meant to say that aloud, which means rolling on the floor, laughing my arse off.

羅特爾 LMAO，我從來都不太確定你是怎麼大聲說出這句話的，這意味著我在地上打滾，笑得屁滾尿流。

I sort of thought for a moment, oh, hang on a second.

I've asked this man for an interview so many times, it feels like.

我已經要求他接受採訪很多次了，感覺就像這樣。

And this isn't an investigation that's about stuff that doesn't matter.

而且這也不是什麼無關緊要的調查。

Ellie tweeted, this year after the man who raped her was sentenced to five years in jail.

今年，在強姦她的男子被判處五年監禁後，艾莉在推特上寫道。

This is an investigation where I've heard from real people, including a rape survivor, including people who've been targeted by hate and by trolling and who feared it was getting worse.

在這次調查中，我聽到了真人真事，其中包括一名強姦倖存者，包括那些成為仇恨和嘲弄目標的人，他們擔心情況會變得更糟。

There are issues like child sexual exploitation.

There are issues like state sponsored disinformation.

還有國家贊助的虛假資訊等問題。

I kind of couldn't quite believe that that was his response.

我有點不敢相信這就是他的回答。

Since Elon Musk has tweeted me and the army of trolls that have been in touch, it's proved the point.

自從埃隆-馬斯克（Elon Musk）在推特上給我和一直保持聯繫的巨魔大軍發了條微博，就證明了這一點。

它證明了全景圖所揭示的內容。

And people can kind of dismiss it as, oh, it's just all a bit silly or it's a bit funny.

人們可能會認為，哦，這只是有點愚蠢或有點滑稽而已。

We sort of joked at the beginning about Elon Musk being in touch.

一開始我們還開玩笑說埃隆-馬斯克會和我們聯繫。

And it's great that he has been in touch because it sort of brings to everyone's attention this this work that you've done and the responses that might be made by him to it.

他一直保持聯繫，這很好，因為這讓每個人都注意到了你所做的這項工作，以及他可能對這項工作做出的迴應。

But since he's been in touch, what about your own personal experience on Twitter?

不過，既然他一直在聯繫你，那麼你在 Twitter 上的個人經歷又是怎樣的呢？

I've had, you know, really horrible, misogynistic, hate threats, abuse, death threats, scary stuff, stuff I don't like.

我遇到過，你知道，非常可怕的、厭惡女性的、仇恨的威脅、辱罵、死亡威脅、可怕的東西，我不喜歡的東西。

There are people who've said that they want me to die in the most horrible way possible, that my time is about to come, that, you know, that kind of sinister we're going to come and get you feel.

有人說，他們希望我以最可怕的方式死去，我的大限將至，你知道，那種陰險的我們會來抓你的感覺。

And that's the stuff I really, really don't like.

這就是我非常非常不喜歡的東西。

Do you feel like you're constantly looking over your shoulder?

你是否覺得自己總是在瞻前顧後？

Yeah, I'm very aware of my safety when I'm out and about, which might seem a bit dramatic to people watching.

是的，我外出時非常注意安全，這在旁人看來可能有點誇張。

But actually, it's that worry that it only takes one person, one person who is sending you hate to turn up and confront you in a way that could be violent or aggressive.

但實際上，我們擔心的是，只要有一個人，一個向你傳遞仇恨的人出現，就會以一種可能是暴力或攻擊性的方式與你對抗。

I, this is going to make me upset because.

I just really don't think it should be like that.

And I really don't think that journalists should do their jobs and be targeted with abuse.

我真的不認為記者應該在完成本職工作的同時成為被辱罵的對象。

And I'm just really by no means, I'm not the only one by a mile.

而且，我真的不是唯一的一個。

And I just don't think people should feel unsafe.

我認為人們不應該感到不安全。

I think that being so close to the story actually enriches the investigations and the reporting I do because I'm able to understand better.

我認為，如此接近新聞報道實際上豐富了我的調查和報道，因為我能夠更好地理解。

那麼，是誰在網上虐待婦女呢？

30 people, mainly men, regularly send me horrible messages.

有 30 個人，主要是男人，經常給我發一些可怕的資訊。

I mean, all of these investigations are actually not about me at all.

我的意思是，所有這些調查其實都與我無關。

They're about something so much bigger than me.

它們講述的是受影響的真實人物。

If the audience can connect with me, then they are more likely to engage with the investigation and the journalism that I'm doing.

如果觀眾能與我產生共鳴，那麼他們就更有可能參與到我的調查和新聞報道中來。

史蒂夫是一名來自中部地區的貨車司機。

He agrees to talk and is happy for the call to be recorded.

他同意談話，並樂意將通話錄音。

When I get messages calling me a bitch, do you kind of realise the impact that that has?

當我收到罵我是賤人的留言時，你能意識到這有多大影響嗎？

我很幸運，沒有經歷過種族主義。

I don't experience other forms of discrimination on Twitter.

我在 Twitter 上沒有遇到過其他形式的歧視。

So I think all of those factors combined, we've found again and again, makes you much more likely to receive this kind of hate.

是以，我認為所有這些因素加在一起，我們一再發現，會讓你更容易受到這種憎恨。

I genuinely want to understand, and I truly believe that that the empathy should underpin all of this kind of journalism.

我真心希望瞭解，而且我真的相信，這種共鳴應該是所有此類新聞報道的基礎。

And I think that is what drives me and allows me to stay objective.

我認為這就是我的動力，讓我能夠保持客觀。