Name: 烏克蘭：頓巴斯戰壕中的炮火 - BBC 新聞 (Ukraine: Coming under fire in the Donbas trenches - BBC News)
Uploaded: 2025-07-28T16:50:03.000Z
Duration: 5 min 42 s

情態副詞

Infantryman Dima, he's only 22 years old, is escorting us forward.

只有 22 歲的步兵迪馬正護送我們前進。

基礎被動語態

The village over here is half held by the Ukrainians and half held by the Russians.

這個村子一半在烏克蘭人手裡，一半在俄羅斯人手裡。

程度副詞

There's two Russian shells that have just come in.

The safest place for these men is in the trenches.

對這些人來說，最安全的地方就是戰壕。

Quentin, we got a flavour of it there in that clip.

昆汀，我們從那個片段中可以看出一些端倪。

Well, frankly, it's very muddy and very dangerous.

老實說，這裡非常泥濘，非常危險。

We've just moved from winter into spring, so there was this thick mud all over every battlefront that we went through.

我們剛剛從冬天轉入春天，所以我們經過的每個戰線上都是厚厚的泥漿。

And in that particular set of trenches down in the south of Donbass, the men had been dug in there for about seven months.

在頓巴斯南部的那組戰壕裡，阿兵哥們已經在那裡挖了大約七個月。

And actually, as I was going through that area, they were digging the trenches deeper.

實際上，當我經過那個區域時，他們正在把戰壕挖得更深。

And the reason they were doing that was because they're facing relentless Russian fire every single day.

他們這樣做的原因是，他們每天都要面對俄軍無情的炮火。

And the Russians are throwing everything at them, whether it's automatic grenade fire, whether it's artillery fire, tank fire, Grads, everything is being fired at that particular unit.

俄軍向他們投擲了一切武器，無論是自動榴彈，還是炮火、坦克炮、格拉德炮，一切武器都在向這支特殊的部隊開火。

And they're seeing that whereas they do respond, they can in no way match the kind of firepower that the Russians have.

他們看到，雖然他們做出了反應，但他們的火力根本無法與俄羅斯人相比。

迪馬認為俄羅斯能在這裡獲勝嗎？

This question needs to be addressed to the senior military.

這個問題需要向軍方高層提出。

Later in that report, Dima said to me, the Russians have warehouses full of these shells.

迪馬後來在報告中對我說，俄國人的倉庫裡裝滿了這些炮彈。

And certainly, Russia has lost its capability in some of the more sophisticated weaponry.

當然，俄羅斯已經失去了某些更先進武器的能力。

But when it comes to your traditional artillery shells and grenades sent from automatic grenade launchers, they've got plenty.

但說到傳統的炮彈和自動榴彈發射器發射的榴彈，他們也有很多。

You spent a lot of time with Ukrainian soldiers.

你和烏克蘭阿兵哥相處了很長時間。

I think that one of the things they always tell you is they always fetishize NATO standards.

我認為，他們總是告訴你的一件事是，他們總是迷信北約的標準。

When you meet, there are different parts of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

你們見面時，烏克蘭武裝部隊有不同的部門。

And depending on the brigade you meet or the battalion you meet, some of them have had that NATO training and they're very, very able, very capable.

根據你遇到的旅或營的情況，他們中的一些人接受過北約的訓練，他們非常、非常能幹，非常有能力。

And they've learned the ways to operate in urban combat and in that kind of trench warfare we've seen.

他們已經學會了在城市作戰和我們看到的那種塹壕戰中作戰的方法。

對其他人來說，情況並非如此。

They haven't had that training, particularly the volunteers.

他們沒有接受過這種培訓，尤其是志願者。

And because we've seen significant attrition of Ukrainian forces, and a lot of Russians, of course, have died on the front lines, but a lot of Ukrainians have died too.

因為我們看到烏克蘭部隊減員嚴重，當然有很多俄羅斯人死在前線，但也有很多烏克蘭人喪生。

And remember, Ukraine is a far smaller country with far fewer reserves to draw upon.

要知道，烏克蘭是一個小得多的國家，可動用的儲備要少得多。

It's always a risk when you're at one battle or you're in one set of trenches to try and extrapolate and see how the entire war is going.

當你在一場戰役中或在一組戰壕裡時，試圖推斷並瞭解整場戰爭的進展情況總是有風險的。

But certainly, in Bakhmut, the Ukrainians have suffered, I think, because they've lost some of the more experienced fighters.

但可以肯定的是，在巴赫穆特，我認為烏克蘭人吃了虧，因為他們失去了一些更有經驗的戰士。

I should probably ask, I mean, the question that one always has to ask when journalists are embedded with forces, how do you know that you're not being spun?

我也許應該問，我的意思是，當記者被派駐部隊時，人們總是要問這樣一個問題：你怎麼知道你沒有被歪曲？

How do you know that you're not being shown an unrepresentative part of the bigger picture to present Ukraine in a good light, for example?

比如說，你怎麼知道你看到的不是大畫面中不具代表性的部分，而只是為了向你展示烏克蘭的良好形象？

Well, usually when the Russians start firing at you, you know it's the real deal.

通常當俄羅斯人開始向你開火時，你就知道這是真的了。

說真的，我們儘量避免這樣做。

And we spend a lot of time planning and speaking to the particular Ukrainian units that we're with, because what we don't want is we don't want a horse and pony show.

我們花了很多時間進行規劃，並與我們所在的特定烏克蘭組織、部門進行溝通，因為我們不希望出現馬戲表演。

We don't want someone to take us to a tank or to a field gun that fires off a couple of rounds, and then the Russians fire back, and then it's all over, that it's done just for the cameras.

我們不希望有人把我們帶到坦克或野戰炮前，發射幾發子彈，然後俄軍還擊，然後一切就結束了，這只是為了上鏡頭。

We're heading right to the very forward position.

So from the beginning, we've been with units in Kharkiv during the battle to save that city and then to drive the Russians out of that region.

是以，從一開始，我們就與哈爾科夫的部隊一起參加了拯救該城的戰鬥，然後將俄軍趕出該地區。

We've been with Ukrainian army, with units who are engaged in improper combat.

我們一直與烏克蘭軍隊和參與不當戰鬥的部隊在一起。

And as you know yourself, Frank, when the bullets are flying, you know they're not being put on for effect.

弗蘭克，你自己也知道，當子彈橫飛的時候，你就知道它們不是為了效果而出現的。

One of the things that's been very difficult in Ukraine compared to some of the other wars I've covered has been access.

與我報道過的其他一些戰爭相比，烏克蘭戰爭中非常困難的一件事就是准入。

The Ukrainian military don't seem built for media access.

烏克蘭軍隊似乎不適合媒體採訪。

They don't have a culture of media access.

And it has got better, but it's only improved in the sense that you're sometimes taken to those horse and pony shows.

雖然情況有所改善，但只是在你有時會被帶去參加那些馬術表演的意義上有所改善。

So you have to find workarounds and you have to build relationships with individual commanders and sometimes with senior commanders to allow you to get to the very front, to the zero line where the actions happen.

是以，你必須找到變通辦法，必須與單個指揮官建立關係，有時還要與高級指揮官建立關係，讓你能夠到達最前線，到達行動發生的零線。