Name: Jenna Lyons 談時尚如何建立自信並賦予你力量 | The Good Buy | Harper's BAZAAR (Jenna Lyons on How Fashion Can Build Confidence & Empower You | The Good Buy | Harper’s BAZAAR)
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Hello everyone and welcome to The Good Buy, a new podcast from Harper's Bazaar where we invite celebrities, designers, models, and tastemakers to talk shop. What they buy, where they got it, and why it matters.

大家好，歡迎收聽《Harper's Bazaar》全新播客《The Good Buy》，我們將邀請名人、設計師、模特和品味人士暢談購物心得。他們買了什麼，在哪裡買的，以及為什麼這麼重要。

Hi I'm Lynette Nylander, Executive Digital Director of Harper's Bazaar.

大家好，我是 Lynette Nylander，《時尚芭莎》執行數字總監。

And I'm Leah Chernikoff, the Executive Editor at Harper's Bazaar. And this is The Good Buy.

我是莉婭-切尼科夫 《時尚芭莎》的執行主編這裡是《The Good Buy》。

Our final guest for our first season of The Good Buy is someone whose influence can be felt in the very fabric of our culture.

我們第一季《The Good Buy》的最後一位嘉賓是一位在我們的文化結構中都能感受到其影響力的人。

During her tenure as President and Executive Creative Director at J.Crew, she became known as the woman who dressed America.

在擔任 J.Crew 總裁兼執行創意總監期間，她被譽為 "裝扮美國的女人"。

In her post-J.Crew life, she has launched a beauty brand. She is currently a beloved cast member of The Real Housewives of New York, where she has brought her own brand of New York smarts and fashion savvy to the series in a sea of sparkling gowns.

J.Crew 之後，她創立了一個美容品牌。目前，她是《紐約主婦》（The Real Housewives of New York）中備受喜愛的演員，在這部劇中，她在閃亮禮服的海洋中展現了自己的紐約智慧和時尚精髓。

She wore jeans, she's wearing jeans right now, to the Reunion Peeps, which was a franchise first.

她穿著牛仔褲，她現在就穿著牛仔褲，去參加 "團圓窺探者 "活動，這在特許經營中還是第一次。

Please welcome to The Good Buy, we are so happy to have you, Jenna Lyons.

歡迎來到《The Good Buy》，我們很高興邀請到您，Jenna Lyons。

I'm honored to be your final guest for your first season.

我很榮幸能成為你們第一季的最後一位嘉賓。

Final guest, first season, and I honestly, I can't think of anyone better because you've got the style DNA, the way to put an outfit together down.

最後一位嘉賓，第一季，老實說，我想不出還有誰比你更合適，因為你已經有了風格的基因，有了搭配服裝的方法。

So how would you describe your shopping philosophy, like how do you go out into the world and bring back treasures that you love?

那麼，您如何描述您的購物理念，比如您如何走向世界，帶回您喜愛的珍寶？

I don't love online shopping because to me, so much of what I love about clothing is, you can't really feel fit and you can't feel fabrics in the same way you can in real life.

我不喜歡網購，因為對我來說，我喜歡服裝的大部分原因是，你無法真正感受到它的合身性，也無法像在現實生活中那樣感受面料。

And there's nothing better than like putting something in a dressing room, you know that feeling when you come out and everyone looks at you and they're like, yes, you know it.

沒有什麼比把東西放在更衣室裡更好的了，你知道那種感覺，當你走出來，每個人都看著你，他們會說，是的，你知道的。

And I do think that I understand online shopping and what it does, but it takes away a little bit of the magic and the experience and the appreciation for the clothing.

我認為我理解網購，也理解它的作用，但它讓我失去了一點購物的魔力、體驗和對服裝的鑑賞力。

I do like that you can buy anything anywhere, but I really want to touch and feel.

我喜歡在任何地方都能買到任何東西，但我真的想摸一摸，感受一下。

Will you tell us a little bit too about your approach to style?

您能告訴我們一些您的風格嗎？

Just I mean, like every day when you go out in the world, how you use clothes to tell your story or to be who you want to be in that moment?

我的意思是，就像每天當你走到外面的世界時，你是如何用衣服來講述你的故事，或者在那一刻你想成為什麼樣的人？

I mean, I've always thought of clothing as a little bit of an armor, in which case it can be a point of vulnerability.

我的意思是，我一直認為衣服有點像盔甲，在這種情況下，它可能是一個弱點。

If you're feeling hot and sexy, then maybe there's fewer clothes or more reveal.

如果你覺得自己性感火辣，那麼也許可以少穿衣服或多露點。

Or if you're feeling like you need a little bit of, I don't know, armor or something to give you distance.

或者，如果你覺得你需要一點，我也不知道，盔甲之類的東西來拉開距離。

What's interesting to me is that, you know, I've had a big shift in my approach to clothing since coming out as not straight anymore.

讓我感到有趣的是，自從我不再是異性戀之後，我對服裝的態度發生了很大的轉變。

And what I realized is that the more I dressed for a man, the less attracted they were to me.

我意識到的是，我為男人穿得越多，他們對我的吸引力就越小。

And the more I dress for women or like now myself, the more attention I got from men, which I'm very surprised by, is completely different than what I would have expected.

我越是為女性或像現在這樣打扮自己，就越受到男性的關注，這讓我非常驚訝，與我的預期完全不同。

I once was wearing like a back chevre dress, which is a New York brand.

有一次，我穿了一件紐約品牌的揹帶裙。

Were you just like really feeling yourself in it?

你是不是真的感覺到了自己的存在？

Because that has to be part of it too, right?

因為這也是其中的一部分，對嗎？

I think that I, this is my belief and it could be completely wrong, but I think there's a telegraph that comes across when you are dressing to like get a man's approval.

我認為，這是我的想法，也可能是完全錯誤的，但我認為，當你穿衣打扮想要得到男人的認可時，就會有一種電報的感覺。

I find I settle in and I'm not trying to get a date.

我發現自己已經融入其中，不再刻意去約會。

I'm not trying to get your attention so I can just have a conversation.

我不是想引起你的注意，這樣我就可以和你哈拉了。

And I think it shifts the dialogue and shifts the actual like force field and it makes a big difference.

我認為這可以改變對話，改變實際的力場，從而產生很大的不同。

And so I'm not surprised that you were hitted on.

是以，我對你被襲擊並不感到驚訝。

Like there's something you become, it's just about you.

就像你變成了某種東西，它只與你有關。

And it's not about that desire or, and it's amazing because I think if you look at women's sexy clothing, it's like a lot, I remember it was so intimidating to feel like I had to, you know, do all the stuff with my legs and this and that.

這與慾望無關，而且這很奇妙，因為我覺得如果你看看女性的性感服裝，就會發現很多，我記得那是如此令人生畏，感覺我必須，你知道，用我的腿做所有的事情，還有這個那個。

And it's like when I put on a suit, I get more attention than when I wear a dress.

這就好比我穿上西裝，比穿裙子更受關注。

We should talk about what you're wearing today, actually.

其實，我們應該談談你今天穿的衣服。

I have all my shirts made because I'm an unusual size.

我所有的襯衫都是定製的，因為我的尺碼很特別。

And once I had the experience of having my shirt made, I realized it's something that's often reserved for men.

當我有了製作襯衫的經歷後，我意識到這通常是男人的專利。

And I wish that women A, knew how, and it was something that they considered they could do.

我希望婦女 A 知道如何去做，而且她們認為自己可以做到。

And so I go out with my friends to get shirts made, like that's my thing.

所以我和朋友們一起去做襯衫，這是我的愛好。

They, when I first went to Hong Kong when I was 22, it was my very first trip for J.

我 22 歲時第一次去香港，那是我第一次為 J 旅行。

And there was an Ascot Chang in the hotel that I was staying in.

我下榻的酒店裡有一家 Ascot Chang。

And I was like, this is the best thing ever.

我當時想，這真是最棒的事情了。

And the quality of the shirt, you can pick any fabric you want.

襯衫的品質也很好，你可以挑選任何你想要的面料。

They have, they bring out all of the collars, all of the cuffs.

他們把所有的衣領和袖口都拿出來了。

您可以選擇自己喜歡的字母圖案。

我知道，我也注意到它探出頭來了。

This is my little, the crown with the J, but I have other ones and you can do whatever you want.

這是我的小皇冠，帶 "J"，但我還有其他的，你可以隨心所欲。

So for like, for instance, like people who have like maybe big boobs, like they're constantly worried about the shirts unbuttoning, but you can go and have it made perfectly for you, but then it will still be perfect in your arm.

是以，對於那些胸部比較大的人來說，他們總是擔心襯衫釦子會扣不上，但你可以去為自己量身定做一件完美的襯衫，而且穿在手臂上也會很合適。

You can have a French cuff, you know, you can do whatever you want.

你可以有一個法式袖口，你知道，你可以做任何你想做的事。

And I think that level of bespoke experience is something that is often reserved for men, which I think is a total shame.

我認為，這種量身定製的體驗往往是男人的專利，我認為這完全是一種恥辱。

But um, the jacket, I went to an Hermès sample sale.

但那件夾克，我去參加了愛馬仕的樣品特賣會。

I've never been to an Hermès sample sale in my life.

我這輩子都沒去過愛馬仕的樣品展銷會。

And this year I had a big sale of my own.

今年，我自己也做了一次大促銷。

And so I got on a list of sample sales, which I was insanely excited about.

於是，我進入了一個樣品銷售名單，這讓我興奮不已。

Have you ever been to the Hermès sample sale?

您參加過愛馬仕的樣品銷售嗎？

I thought about it too, but I didn't, we did, we did do our damage.

我也想過，但我沒有，我們做到了，我們確實造成了傷害。

It's like you walk in, they gave you a glass of champagne.

就像你走進去，他們給你一杯香檳。

Martha Stewart is over here looking at the cashier.

瑪莎-斯圖爾特正在這邊看著收銀員。

I'm like, how have I never been to this before?

我想，我以前怎麼從沒來過這裡？

So I got, it was marked down from some stratospherical price to a less stratospherical price.

所以我買到了，它的標價從天價降到了一個不那麼天價的價格。

And then the jeans, I use this woman called Jean Genie.

然後是牛仔褲，我用了一個叫 "牛仔精靈 "的女人。

So she actually has a, you know, she searches for jeans and she'll basically send me a box and then whatever I don't like, I send back and she does it periodically.

是以，她實際上有一個，你知道，她搜索牛仔褲，基本上她會給我寄一盒，然後無論我不喜歡什麼，我都會寄回去，她會定期這樣做。

So these are my, I have all different categories.

所以，這些都是我的，我有各種不同的分類。

這一類是慵懶的，沒有撕裂感的。

Oh, Drake's, which is also a men's company.

哦，德雷克也是一家男裝公司。

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