Name: 埃德-赫爾姆斯（Ed Helms）與泰德-丹森（Ted Danson）談論他的新書和播客 "SNAFU" | 人人都知道你的名字 (Ed Helms Talks To Ted Danson About His Book & Podcast, "SNAFU" | Where Everybody Knows Your Name)
Uploaded: 2025-07-20T17:00:26.000Z
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Snafu, which means it's a military term, situation, normal, all fucked up.

Snafu "是軍事術語，意思是 "情況"、"正常"、"一團糟"。

Um, yeah, no, that's, that's World War II.

嗯，是的，不，那是，那是第二次世界大戰。

I guess some soldiers were just kind of getting exasperated and, you know, the army loves an acronym.

我猜一些阿兵哥只是有點惱火，你知道，軍隊喜歡縮寫。

And so that's where Snafu and FUBAR, which is arguably a better acronym, fucked up beyond all recognition.  Which is just, it's just so glorious.

這就是 "Snafu "和 "FUBAR "的由來。"FUBAR "是一個更好的縮寫，"Snafu "和 "FUBAR "把一切都搞砸了。  這實在是太光榮了

而且，它比《斯納福》更糟糕。

Situation, normal, all fucked up is kind of like, eh, like this is like, it's always like that.

情況，正常的，都搞砸了是那種，誒，就像這是喜歡，它總是這樣。

FUBAR 就像，哦，哦不，這很糟糕。

You take us through decades of most, mostly are all American Snafus.

您帶我們回顧了幾十年來美國人的大多數（主要是全部）失誤。

So the, the podcast, uh, there's three seasons of the podcast and, uh, they're all, well, one, season one is kind of a, a global Snafu, but it's really about the American side of it.

播客一共有三季，第一季是全球播客，但其實是關於美國的。

The first three seasons, the second season is a very American and, and yeah, season three is about prohibition.

前三季，第二季是非常美國化的，是的，第三季是關於禁酒令的。

So that's, there's nothing more American than that.

所以，沒有什麼比這更美國了。

The book is, well, I should say, I clarify a little bit that the, the, the podcast is like, each season is a deep dive into one crazy Snafu, eight episodes, like immersive, almost like cinematic listening experience.

這本書，嗯，我應該說，我稍微澄清了一下，播客就像，每一季都是對一個瘋狂的《斯納福》的深入挖掘，一共八集，就像身臨其境，幾乎是電影般的聽覺體驗。

Uh, I'm narrating, but there's lots of sound design and production effects.

呃，我在解說，但有很多聲音設計和製作效果。

Um, and it's, it's like a long, deep exploration of one thing.

嗯，這就像是對一件事的長期而深入的探索。

Uh, also funny, but it's, uh, And you do interviews, you do, you do everything that will bring it to life.

呃，也很有趣，但是，呃，你要接受採訪，你要做的，你要做的一切，都會讓它栩栩如生。

It's, but, but we've interviewed historians, experts, people involved in the Snafus sometimes.

但是，但是我們有時會採訪歷史學家、專家和參與斯納夫斯事件的人。

Um, the book is just a much lighter sort of survey of Snafus there.

嗯，這本書只是對《斯納弗斯》進行了一種更輕鬆的調查。

There's like 31, each chapter is a new, it's almost like a short story.

好像有 31 章，每一章都是新的，幾乎就像一個短篇小說。

Just looking at the book, one of the Snafus was that children actually got a chemistry set in the fifties that had two little bottles of uranium, which is at higher doses is real deadly.  Terminally so.

在這本書中，有一個小插曲是，在五十年代，孩子們實際上得到了一套化學套裝，裡面有兩小瓶鈾。  是致命的。

And, uh, and perhaps in the doses they got not good.

而且，呃，也許在劑量上，他們得到的並不好。

有了標籤，就不要打開這些東西了。

But like, what do you do if you're a kid with a new, uh, it actually wasn't a chemistry set.

但是，如果你是個有新玩具的孩子 你會怎麼做呢？ 事實上，那不是一套化學玩具

It was like a, it was like your home nuclear lab or something.

它就像一個，就像你家裡的核實驗室什麼的。

I forget the actual name of it, but well, like nuke, like just, just sort of, uh, yeah, it had uranium in it and it was definitely radioactive and a toy that children, uh, shouldn't play with basically.

我忘了它的具體名字，不過，就像核彈一樣，就是那種，嗯，是的，它裡面有鈾，絕對有放射性，是孩子們的玩具，嗯，基本上不應該玩。

Like we didn't know, we just didn't know.

就像我們不知道一樣，我們就是不知道。

There were so many toxic substances in the industrial world.

But, uh, but the only reason they took this toy off the shelves is because it was too expensive, too expensive to produce.

但是，呃，但是他們把這個玩具下架的唯一原因 是因為它太貴了，生產成本太高了。

Um, only later did they realize that, uh, yeah, this, this was probably also too much radiation for children.

嗯，後來他們才意識到，嗯，是的，這對兒童來說可能也是過多的輻射。

That must be kind of a, a nice ingredient or prerequisite for a snafu.

這一定是造成故障的一個很好的因素或先決條件。

We need to solve this problem and this might be a really good idea.

我們需要解決這個問題，這可能是一個非常好的主意。

That's a great observation because that is most, most snafus in this book are things that started out as, as like a really good idea or like an effort to fix a problem and, uh, and just terrible judgment, human error, all of, all of the  First off, how did you come up with the idea of doing a podcast about snafus?

這是一個很好的觀察點，因為這本書中的大部分，大多數故障都是一開始是一個非常好的想法，或者是為了解決問題而做出的努力，呃，只是糟糕的判斷，人為錯誤，所有的，所有的第一關，你是怎麼想到做一個關於故障的播客的想法的？

Ted, I wanted to do a podcast like you, right?

泰德，我也想像你一樣做一個播客，對嗎？

I, uh, I just was kind of, I was a big consumer of podcasts.

And, um, I'd been guests on tons of podcasts and I was just kind of wondering, like, where do I fit into this, uh, landscape or do I?

我在很多播客節目中擔任過嘉賓，當時我就在想，我到底能融入這個環境嗎？

Uh, cause I didn't really want to do an interview show.

嗯，我看到了，是的，他們是最糟糕的。

And they're so annoying to go on and to sit through and, uh, they're just read the book.

他們是如此惱人，去和坐 通過，呃，他們只是讀這本書。

Um, but, uh, um, no, but I, I honestly, I love, I love these shows, these interview shows.

呃，但是，呃，呃，不，但是我，老實說，我喜歡，我喜歡這些節目，這些訪談節目。

I listen to them all the time and they're really, they're, they're so enlightening.

我一直在聽，它們真的很有啟發性。

You get, get to know people in different ways and, but I didn't want to do that.

你可以用不同的方式去了解別人，但我不想那樣做。

I, so I was like, is there some subject and, and history has just always been a fun area for me.

我就想，是不是有什麼主題，歷史對我來說一直是個有趣的領域。

That's kind of like effortlessly interesting.

Like I've always curious, I go down these weird little rabbit holes all the time of like, oh, like medical history.

就像我一直很好奇一樣，我總是會鑽進一些奇怪的小洞，比如，哦，比如醫學史。

I just kind of like get into some weird thing or like, you know, when did we start to understand what, how, what cancer is and how that works?

我只是有點喜歡進入一些奇怪的東西，或者像，你知道，我們什麼時候開始瞭解什麼是，如何，什麼是癌症，以及它是如何工作的？

Or, or when, who invented the bulldozer and why?

或者，或者什麼時候，誰發明了推土機，為什麼？

I just, I, my brain is very frenetic and kind of curious that way.

我只是，我，我的大腦非常狂熱，有點好奇。

And, uh, and so I was like, okay, a history podcast, but it still has to be funny.

於是我就想，好吧，歷史播客，但還是得有趣。

I want it to be like really fun and engaging.

我希望它非常有趣，引人入勝。

So, um, so then it was like, well, okay, screw ups.

所以，嗯，然後就像，好吧，好吧，搞砸了。

Like the, like, like the screw ups of history are inherently funny.

就像，就像，就像歷史上的失敗本來就很有趣。

They're inherently captivating because they're, they're literally like car crashes on a freeway.

它們本身就很吸引人，因為它們就像高速公路上的車禍。

你開車經過時，必須轉過身來看看。

Um, and so it just felt like a, a, the perfect mashup of my interests and, um, and something that it would be fun to do.

嗯，所以我覺得這是我的興趣愛好的完美結合，嗯，做起來會很有趣。

And it has been, it's actually been so much more rewarding than I even thought.

事實上，這比我想象的要有意義得多。

Like I thought I would just be sort of a fun, light engagement.

就像我以為我只是一個有趣、輕鬆的約定。

事實證明，這是一項艱鉅的任務。

I'm, I'm overwhelmed and I am ready to, uh, Do you have help, researchers?

我，我不知所措，我準備，呃，你有幫手嗎，研究員？

And, and, and there were, I had a lot of research help on this book too.

在這本書的研究過程中，我也得到了很多人的幫助。

And, um, and, uh, yeah, we have a great team and, and, uh, and I, but, but what I was saying is it, I wanted it to be sort of fun and light going in, but the more you dig into these subjects, the more rich they get and the more human they get.

嗯，是的，我們有一個很棒的團隊，但是，我想說的是，我想讓它變得輕鬆有趣，但你越深入瞭解這些主題，它們就會變得越豐富，越有人性。

And, and tragic and at times very tragic, sad history.  And then season two of the podcast became actually incredibly poignant in ways that I didn't expect, uh, because we were talking with so many of the people involved.

還有，悲慘的，有時是非常悲慘的，悲傷的歷史。  播客的第二季在我意料之外變得異常悽美 因為我們和許多相關人員都有過交談

And, uh, and so in all these kind of beautiful, surprising ways, the whole experience of working on the Snafu podcast and then, and subsequently the book.

於是，在所有這些美麗的、令人驚訝的方式中，整個 "Snafu "播客的工作經歷，然後，然後是這本書。

Has been very enriching and kind of uplifting and, uh, and as much work as it is, like, I just can't wait to keep going and keep doing more.

這讓我感到非常充實和振奮，我迫不及待地想要繼續下去，做更多的事情。

It's, it is, it is way more work than I expected.

這，這，這比我預想的要費勁得多。

It's not quite as much fun necessarily as like being on a movie set or a TV set.

這並不像在電影或電視場景中那樣有趣。

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