Name: 泰德-丹森和佈雷特-戈爾茨坦談泰德-拉索、寫作和喬治-溫特｜在人人都知道你名字的地方 (Ted Danson & Brett Goldstein On Ted Lasso, Writing, & George Wendt | Where Everybody Knows Your Name)
Uploaded: 2025-06-17T17:43:32.000Z
Duration: 56 min 19 s

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Can we not pretend that we didn't just start a conversation about George Wendt?

我們能不能不要假裝我們剛剛不是在談論喬治-溫特？

Yeah, you would like to talk about that for a bit?

Yeah, I would, just for my sake, and I know that you know and work with Jason Sudeikis.

是的，我會的，只是為了我自己，我知道你認識傑森-蘇戴基斯，還和他一起工作過。

I was, we could tell the listeners, I was with Jason in the Ted Lasser Writers Room when the news came in of George's death, and Jason and the writers sat and watched like compilations of The Best of Norm and told stories, and I mean, I'm very sorry for your loss.

喬治去世的消息傳來時，我和傑森一起在泰德-拉瑟作家室裡，傑森和作家們坐在一起，看著《諾姆之最》的合集，講著故事。

He was, I know from Jason, all wonderful stories, but he was also individually so lovely to all of us at Ted Lasser, because he came to the premiere, and he'd be like.

我從傑森那裡瞭解到，他的故事都很精彩 但他對我們泰德-拉瑟的人也很好 因為他來參加首映式時會說：

And he'd be like, you'd get a thing saying, George wants to meet you, and you'd be like, what?

然後他就會給你發短信 說喬治想見你 你就會說 什麼？

And you'd go over, and he was so fucking generous with all of us, and so like complimentary and lovely, and you're just like, I can't believe it, I can't believe I'm talking to him.

你走過去，他對我們所有人都非常慷慨，讚不絕口，非常可愛，你就會想，我簡直不敢相信，我居然在和他說話。

You know, he was so very, very kind, and we saw him a few times over the years, and he was nothing but lovely, so I'm very sorry.

他非常非常和藹可親，這些年我們見過他幾次，他非常可愛，所以我很遺憾。

Sorry, I think I'm fine, and I have the big old hole, and I haven't started to process it.

對不起，我覺得我很好，我有一個大洞，我還沒有開始處理它。

I feel totally complete with George, so I don't have any like regrets, and we were able to, Woody and I were able to sit down and have this great conversation with him early on with his podcast.

我覺得和喬治在一起很完整，所以我沒有任何遺憾，而且我們能夠，伍迪和我能夠坐下來，在他的播客早期就和他進行了很棒的對話。

Well, some of it's private, but I had just seen Bernadette recently.

有些是私事 但我最近剛見過伯納黛特

So anyway, I was in the middle of working, and I had to kind of squelch, had a little cry, and then had to like move on.

總之，我當時正在工作，不得不壓抑一下，哭了一會兒，然後就繼續工作了。

So I haven't really caught up with it, but I actually, so when you ask me something, I may tear up.

所以我還沒有真正跟上它，但實際上，當你問我一些問題時，我可能會流淚。

But the truth is, I am, oh my God, what an amazing man, what a funny, unbelievable actor.

但事實是，我的天啊，我是一個多麼了不起的人，多麼有趣、不可思議的演員。

You know, I could sit there and watch and laugh, and will continue to for a very long time.

你知道，我可以坐在那裡邊看邊笑，而且會一直笑下去。

So celebratory-ness is called for as well, even though I will miss him, and I can't imagine what it's like for Bernadette and his kids that I can't touch in my imagination.

儘管我會想念他，我也無法想象伯納黛特和他的孩子們的感受，我的想象力無法觸及他們。

It is quite a lovely thing to, I mean, to have as good a reputation as him as well, aside from all the work and all the joy that he brought people.

我的意思是說，除了他給人們帶來的所有工作和歡樂之外，像他一樣擁有良好的聲譽也是一件非常可愛的事情。

No one has a bad word, there's no, like he brought joy to people on screen, on stage, and in meeting, you know what I mean?

沒有人說他的壞話，沒有人說他的壞話，就像他在銀幕上、舞臺上和會議上給人們帶來歡樂一樣，你明白我的意思嗎？

So I guess, not to wrap it up like we have to, but is I'm gonna go watch him and let him make me laugh like he always has and always did.

所以，我想，不是要像我們必須做的那樣結束它，而是我要去看他，讓他逗我笑，就像他過去和現在一樣。

But thank you, thank you for at least getting that, because I've been working a lot and kind of tired, and my skills for being full of shit are less than.

不過，謝謝你，謝謝你至少明白了這一點，因為我工作很忙，也有點累了，我滿嘴跑火車的本領已經大不如前了。

Okay, here's the stupid thing, just, you know, obviously I know you from your work, Ted Lasso, which just took this country and the world by storm, and read a little bit about you and all that.

好吧，愚蠢的事情是這樣的，你知道，顯然我是從你的作品《泰德-拉索》中認識你的，這部作品剛剛在這個國家和世界上掀起了一場風暴，我也讀過一些關於你的文章，還有其他的。

But then today, because you're coming, I, you know, I got to get clips and things, and I said, well, I'll just look at his stand-up, Brett's stand-up, so I can be intelligent about it.

但今天，因為你要來，我就去找了一些片段之類的東西，然後我說，好吧，我就看看他的站立表演，佈雷特的站立表演，這樣我就能聰明地看待這個問題了。

My dream would be to sit next to you, literally, and watch it together and do a running commentary on it.

我的夢想就是坐在你旁邊，真的，一起看，一起做解說。

It's dancing, what a thing, what a thing to say.

它在跳舞，真了不起，真了不起。

And the number of times I went, oh, that's a little bold, and I totally agree with him.

有多少次我想，哦，這有點大膽，我完全同意他的觀點。

You know, silly things like musicals, they're wonderful.

你知道，像音樂劇這樣的傻事，它們很精彩。

Plays, fun to do, boring as batshit to watch, and I'm going, yes, but too guilty to admit it, you know?

玩的時候很開心，看的時候卻無聊透頂，我想，是的，但又心虛得不敢承認，你知道嗎？

Yeah, you're not allowed to say that, especially if you do them.

是啊，你不能這麼說，尤其是如果你做了這些事。

I really appreciate you watching it, Ted, that means an awful lot to me.

我真的很感激你能收看，特德，這對我來說意義重大。

I told you at the beginning, I have listened to your podcast, I've listened to every episode, so I think I can't.  No, sorry.

我一開始就告訴過你，我聽過你的播客，每一集我都聽過，所以我想我不能。  不行，對不起。

Seriously, but I also think what I have learned about you is you don't mind being told that you are loved.

說真的，但我也覺得我對你的瞭解是，你不介意別人告訴你，你是被愛的。

Like I said, I was sort of like, is he going to be bored hearing what a fan I am?

就像我說的，我有點想，他聽到我是一個怎樣的粉絲會不會覺得無聊？

But I have listened enough to know that you actually like it.

但我已經聽得夠多了，知道你其實很喜歡。

Yeah, so we could do a bit of that if you'd like, because I'm very happy to.

是的，如果你願意的話，我們可以這樣做，因為我很樂意。

But I mean it, I'm curious what it is like to be, for the many years that you have, like Cheers, I was six, four, but we watched it every Friday in England, there was Cheers and The Cosby Show.

但我是說，我很好奇你這麼多年來是什麼感覺，比如《歡呼》，我六歲，四歲，但我們在英國每週五都看，有《歡呼》和《考斯比秀》。

I know we're trying not to talk about it, but brilliant, brilliant, and the reason why Cheers became top 10 was Bill Cosby and his show, and all the actors.

我知道我們不想談論這個話題，但《乾杯》之所以能成為前十名，比爾-考斯比和他的節目以及所有演員功不可沒。

And so, Cheers was part of my life as a child.

是以，乾杯是我童年生活的一部分。

Then when I went to university, we watched it again.

後來我上了大學，我們又看了一遍。

And you know, my dad is not in the greatest of health and he still watches Cheers.

你知道，我爸爸身體不太好，但他還在看《乾杯》。

And he'll call me, sometimes he'll be like, I just watched the episode when, da-da-da-da-da.

他會打電話給我 有時候他會說 我剛看了那集 噠噠噠噠

And it's like this huge, like I don't, sometimes when I talk about myself and acting stuff, I think it's like embarrassing, it's a sort of shameful thing to do.

這就像一個巨大的問題，就像我不知道，有時當我談論我自己和表演的東西時，我覺得這很尷尬，這是一種可恥的事情。

And then when I think about you and what you have done over the years, I sort of go like, it's a service.

然後，當我想到你和你這些年來所做的一切，我就會覺得，這是一種服務。

Like you have been a huge part of my childhood, my dad's mental health, our family, our sort of frame of reference, what brought us together every Friday night.

我的童年、我父親的精神健康、我們的家庭、我們的參照系，都與你息息相關，是你讓我們每週五晚上都能聚在一起。

And I wonder what that is like to be the inside of, you know what I mean?

我想知道這裡面是什麼樣子的，你明白我的意思嗎？

Like as in- Well, it's an amazing kind of water to swim in.

好吧，在這樣的水裡游泳真是太棒了。

In life, it's rare, it's privileged, it's misleading.

在生活中，它是稀有的，它是特權，它是誤導。

Does the mantle of it ever stress you out?

Well, the mantle feels like, oh, oh, Mr. Davidson, here, let us put the mantle on as long as you go sit over in the corner and say goodbye sweetly and pass the baton.

戴維森先生，來，讓我們把壁爐放上去，只要你坐在角落裡，甜甜地說聲再見，然後把接力棒傳下去。

And the ego in me is going, no, no, no, no, I haven't done it yet, please.

而我的自我意識卻在說，不不不，我還沒做呢，求你了。

不要給我徽章或者，你知道的。

我想問一下，"地幔 "是什麼意思？

Because I said it and thought, I actually don't know what that means.

因為我說出來後想，其實我也不知道那是什麼意思。

It means, I'm not looking for the joke, sorry.

意思是，我不是在看笑話，對不起。

I'm not going to try to banter with you, you're so fucking smart.

我不想跟你開玩笑，你真他媽聰明。

Mantle meaning, oh, look at all the work you've done.

衣缽的意思是，哦，看看你都幹了些什麼。

70多歲的時候，你就能得到衣缽了。

What I meant was the, like, in some ways, and again, it's fucking silly.

我的意思是，從某些方面來說，這也太傻了。

I mean it's real, but it sounds like you are an icon, as in the image of you means a lot to a lot of people, regardless of what you are like as a person.

我的意思是這是真實的，但聽起來你是一個偶像，因為你的形象對很多人來說都很重要，不管你是什麼樣的人。

You seem to be a lovely person, but even if you weren't, the, you as a person, the iconography of you makes people happy, makes them think of their family, makes them think of life, you know what I mean?

你看起來是個可愛的人，但即使你不是，你作為一個人，你的形象也會讓人們開心，讓他們想到家人，想到生活，你明白我的意思嗎？

What is it like to be inside the icon, and maybe on a bad day, what is that like?

在聖像內部是什麼感覺？也許在糟糕的一天，又是什麼感覺？

First off, I live with Mary Steenburgen, who is the most remarkable, wonderful human being in the world, and we're ridiculously in love and happy.

首先，我和瑪麗-斯泰恩伯格恩（Mary Steenburgen）住在一起，她是世界上最傑出、最棒的人，我們相愛得令人啼笑皆非，也很幸福。

And, but she, nothing makes her happier than to poke my balloon of ego and watch it pop and explode.

而且，她最高興的事莫過於戳破我的自負氣球，看著它爆炸。

And nothing makes me laugh harder than when she does it.

沒有什麼比她這樣做更能讓我開懷大笑了。

So we're very, I'm with a very real person.

所以，我們非常，我和一個非常真實的人在一起。

So there's that.  Then there's, I was raised to have false humility.

這就是原因。  還有，我從小就養成了虛偽的謙遜。

You know, I have British in me in the background.

Okay, so you've got some embarrassment of existence again.

好吧，你又有什麼難言之隱了。

Here's my mom talking to my nephew when he first got a little video recorder, and cheers was just starting to become rock and roll.

這是我媽媽在和我侄子哈拉，那時他剛有一臺小錄像機，歡呼聲剛開始變得搖滾起來。

And he said, so Jessica, my mom, how do you feel about Ted's, your son's success?

他說，傑西卡，我的媽媽，你對特德，你兒子的成功有什麼感想？

He was, you know, the interviewer kind of guy at the moment, at age 11.

你知道，他當時是個採訪者，11 歲。

And she said, well, I'm happy for him, but I've always been raised to believe in the nobility of quiet failure.

她說，好吧，我為他感到高興，但我從小就相信默默無聞的失敗是高尚的。

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