Name: 獲得奧斯卡提名的布萊恩-泰瑞-亨利談重返電視熒屏拍攝《偷毒賊 (Oscar-Nominated Brian Tyree Henry Talks Returning to TV for ‘Dope Thief)
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過去簡單式

We went to the wrong house, and now these people are looking for us.

我們走錯了房子，現在這些人在找我們。

祈使句型

to 不定詞

You took our money and dope. Now I have to kill everybody you know.

你拿走了我們的錢和毒品現在我得殺光你認識的所有人

Brian, welcome to the Awards Tour Podcast, sir.

布萊恩，歡迎來到獲獎巡迴播客，先生。

Oh, it is a pleasure and an honor at the same time.

哦，這既是我的榮幸，也是我的榮幸。

It's great. So I've obviously seen you both physically, socially. We did a Q&A for your new

好極了很明顯，我在身體和社交方面都見過你們。我們為你們的新書

Apple TV Plus show, Dope Thief, but we haven't done this whole thing post your Oscar nomination.

蘋果 TV Plus 節目《偷油賊》，但我們還沒做過你獲得奧斯卡提名後的這整件事。

You have been on a bit of a tear, sir. Like, let's just be real, you know, movies with Brad Pitt, working with the Barry Jenkins script, Transformers, everything, and now this Apple

先生，您最近可真是風光無限啊。實話實說吧，和布拉德-皮特合作的電影、巴里-傑金斯的劇本、《變形金剛》等等，現在又有了這部《蘋果》。

TV series, Dope Thief. So let's talk a little bit about that and why you wanted to go back to television, honestly, after a bit of an absence.

電視劇《偷油賊》。那麼，讓我們來談談這部電視劇，以及為什麼你想在闊別一段時間後重返電視熒屏。

It's funny because I was getting my ass handed to me by television for quite some time. I mean, every character that I was playing over the last few years was just really, it took a lot.

說來好笑，有段時間電視上的角色都讓我很不爽。我是說，過去幾年裡我扮演的每個角色 都讓我吃了不少苦頭。

It took a lot. And I knew I wanted a departure from television. And, you know, like, I think our relationship just needed a little bit of a break. And I made this decision to kind of just step back. And I didn't want to come back to television unless it was something that was really passionate, something that was really new, something that excited me. Because television takes a lot of work. It just, it really does. You grow with these characters. You become very close with these characters, the ensemble you become close with. It just, it's a lot of work.

我花了很多心血。我知道我想離開電視圈我覺得我們的關係需要休息一下我決定退一步海闊天空我不想再回到電視圈 除非那是真正有激情的事 真正新穎的事 讓我興奮的事因為電視需要大量的工作真的需要你和這些角色一起成長你會和這些角色變得非常親密 你會和劇組變得非常親密這需要大量的工作

And so here comes Peter Craig with this wonderful script to Dope Thief. And not only is the script and the world of this story so incredible, but it was giving me a chance to be a lead, which I had not really been offered before. I'd been pretty much in a supporting lane for quite some time. But to get this part where it was truly a story that was following me,

於是彼得-克雷格帶著這個精彩的《毒品竊賊》劇本來了。不僅是劇本和這個故事的世界如此令人難以置信，而且還給了我一個當主角的機會，這是我以前從未得到過的機會。我在配角的位置上已經坐了很久了。但能得到這樣一個角色，它是一個真正跟隨我的故事、

I was like, OK, cool. Then he's also like, well, really, Scott is also attached to direct the first episode. I was like, what else can you do to sweeten the pot? I'm already kind of like already in this double dutch, but what else? And they wanted me to executive produce. And that to me was just I don't I can't even explain to you. Like, it felt like the clouds parted and the angels were singing. It was like, oh, this is a real chance to be a full on collaborator, which I knew this show would require because Ray is going through so many tumultuous ups and downs dealing with so much loss and with so much grief, dealing with all kinds of craziness.

我當時想，好吧，酷。然後他又說，真的，斯科特還將執導第一集。我就想，你還能做些什麼來增加甜頭呢？我已經是雙料製片人了，還能怎樣？他們想讓我擔任執行製片人對我來說，這簡直無法解釋。感覺就像雲開霧散，天使在歌唱。這就像，哦，這是一個真正的機會，成為一個全面的合作者，我知道這個節目會需要，因為雷正在經歷這麼多的跌宕起伏，處理這麼多的損失，這麼多的悲傷，處理各種瘋狂的事情。

And then I blinked and I was like, I found myself back in another traumatic. So I was like, OK, if I'm going to come back and do trauma and do all this this way, at least I'm leading it, at least I'm collaborating in an amazing way. So, yeah, I think that that was the biggest pull for me to come back because Ray just I just truly fell in love with him and fell in love with where Peter was taking the story. And, you know, I knew for me the challenges that would come with playing him because I realized I hadn't really played a character like this before, which I knew was going to be a challenge. It terrified out of me. So that's how I also knew that I needed to lean into it because it would require a lot of my own personal stories and my own personal progressions in my life. And it gave me a place to lay a lot of burdens down, which is something that I was really excited to do and to explore. But yeah, Dope Thief just offered me something that I felt that I could offer the viewers as well, like just and that's just another side of what I wanted to showcase. Yeah. And I mean, one of the things that I think is interesting, if you're going to take an EP job, you definitely had a birth by fire. I mean, huge production, lots of moving parts and Ridley Scott. Oh, and we're going to be paused by, you know, the first strike in the better part of two decades, all of that. But the thing I think would be hardest for me to kind of wrap around with is the tonal shifts of this show. Just how, like in the middle of, you know, spoiler alert, one of the most dramatic, like fight sequences of the whole thing. It's the Bad News Bears, basically, like there's a full on comedy bit in the middle of the shootout. And that's the most believable thing in the world, because we've experienced that, of course, these characters are going to mess this up.

然後一眨眼，我發現自己又回到了另一個創傷領域。所以我就想，好吧，如果我要回來做創傷題材，以這種方式做所有這些，至少我在主導它，至少我在以一種驚人的方式合作。所以，是的，我覺得這是我回來的最大動力，因為雷真的讓我愛上了他，愛上了皮特的故事。而且，你知道，我知道飾演他對我來說是一個挑戰，因為我意識到我以前沒有真正飾演過這樣的角色，我知道這將是一個挑戰。這讓我很害怕。是以，我也知道我需要全身心地投入其中，因為這需要很多我自己的個人故事和我個人的人生經歷。它給了我一個可以放下包袱的地方，這也是我非常樂於去做和探索

That's what I love the most about Peter Craig kind of experience is that you have these characters who are incredibly flawed and also just are not skilled. Like they're like, there's also there's also tragedy, but there's also great humor at the same time. Like they're just so multidimensional and it's and it's so fun to play. Honestly, was that originally from the very first scripts that you got to see? Because this is television. I'm sure you got like a pilot and maybe like four or five episodes. But did they have this whole season arc kind of planned out? Did you know it was going to be like, you know, very lock stock and two smoking barrels meets like minority report in some ways? Yeah. You know, Peter's brain, man, like I'm so fortunate to have been paired with somebody like Peter. He truly is a collaborator that I want to work with for as long as I possibly can. He writes characters that are just so, you know, again, incredibly flawed. But you want to care. You really want to care about them. You find yourself actually admitting that, you know, these bastards are people you really want to know. It's just like and there's such humanity to them. And he gives you as an actor such a playground to play on because, you know, he he releases it and then he, you know, steps back and is like, I want to see what you're going to bring, you know, what sauce are you going to add to it, which is is the kind of collaboration I really love. But at the same time, there's nowhere to hide, really. There's really nowhere to hide. And so within this series, you find these characters always coming in opposition of a lot of things that they believe in and doing what is is necessary than what is right, you know, like and everything changes. Every corner changes somebody's life every time.

我最喜歡彼得-克雷格（Peter Craig）這種經歷的地方就在於，你看到的這些角色都有令人難以置信的缺陷，而且都不擅長表演。就像他們一樣，也有悲劇，但同時也很幽默。他們是如此的多元，這讓我覺得非常有趣。老實說，你最初看到的劇本是這樣的嗎？因為這是電視。我肯定你看到的是試播版，可能還有四五集。但他們有計劃好整季的劇情嗎？你知道它會像， 你知道，非常鎖股票 和兩個冒煙桶 滿足像少數派報告 在某些方面？我知道我很幸運能和彼得這樣的人搭檔 他真的是我的合作者他真的是一個合作者，我想工作 只要我可能的話。他筆下的

Everything changes all the time. And I think that that's what was so exciting about Ray and Manny, that that union, because like here you have these two men who have known each other since they were 15 years old, like underneath the thumb of incarceration, growing up in a system that is telling them that they don't amount to anything and they won't ever be anything.

一切都在不斷變化。我認為這正是雷和曼尼的精彩之處，他們的結合讓人興奮，因為這兩個人從 15 歲起就相識了，他們在監獄中長大，監獄的制度告訴他們，他們什麼都不是，什麼都做不了。

And then they're released as men into this world. And so, OK, you're free. Go figure it out. And they're just like, what are we supposed to do? OK, you know what? Let's rob tripods. Let's pretend to be D.A. agents. Right. Because what are we really going to get a job at?

然後，他們作為人被釋放到這個世界上。所以，好了，你自由了。去想辦法吧他們就想，我們該怎麼辦？好吧，你知道嗎？我們去搶三腳架讓我們假裝是D. A. 探員。好吧因為我們真的能找到工作嗎？

What is a nine to five looking like, you know, for this black and brown man who've been, you know.

對於黑人和棕色人種來說，朝九晚五的生活是什麼樣的？

And so then we decide to come up with this little scheme. And then also, like it just goes so wrong because we're also terrible at it. We're amateurs. We're novices.

於是我們決定想出一個小計劃然後就出錯了 因為我們也不擅長這個我們是業餘的。我們是新手

We're not. And then you start to see this whole, you know, Dante's Inferno open up because they've chosen this path and it just goes wrong. And they're literally having to make decisions about their lives. Like, is it worth living? Is it worth continuing on? Is it? And that was exciting. And I mean, to read it, to read it page after page is just like, oh, man, like what?

我們沒有然後你會看到整個 但丁的地獄就此展開 因為他們選擇了這條路 卻出了差錯他們不得不為自己的人生做出抉擇比如，值得活下去嗎？值得繼續走下去嗎？值得嗎？這很令人興奮我的意思是，讀它，讀它一頁又一頁 就像，哦，夥計，像什麼？

Like what? I feel like when people were watching this show, I think that anxiety is the main.

比如什麼？我覺得人們在看這個節目的時候，焦慮是最主要的。

Very like you get a bear and got nothing on y'all, man. And I'm not trying to bring up another show.

就像你得到了一隻熊，但你什麼都沒有得到，夥計。我也不想再提另一個節目了

Don't worry. They're in a different category. It's fine. You know what I mean? Like people talk about that show or like something like The Pit and they say that is tense. I'm like, this was like dope beans. And like, again, shootouts, you know, it's crazy.

別擔心。它們屬於不同的類別沒事的你明白我的意思嗎？就像人們談論的節目 或像坑的東西 他們說，這是緊張的。我想，這就像塗料豆。就像，同樣的，槍戰， 你知道，這太瘋狂了。

Just just imagine imagine getting the scripts, you know, and trying to figure out exactly like where you were going week after week. And it's just like, what what is about to happen? My favorite compliment I will say about this show is when people tell me about how they watch it, like so much that they're watching it, but how they have to watch it because they apparently just takes you through all these kind of like and it's usually people like screaming like, right, like, oh, no, that there is there are so many poor decisions that you not want them to be doing throughout the course of this series. I agree with that.

想象一下，拿到劇本後，你知道，每週都要想清楚自己要去哪裡。就好像，接下來會發生什麼？關於這部劇，我最喜歡說的一句話就是，當人們告訴我他們是怎麼看這部劇的，就像他們是怎麼看的，但他們又是怎麼不得不看的，因為他們顯然只是帶你經歷了所有這些，就像通常人們喜歡尖叫一樣，對，就像，哦，不，有這麼多糟糕的決定，你不希望他們在這個系列的整個過程中做。我同意這一點。

There is not in fact, there's not a single episode where any decision seems good until you figure it like because not to spoil it, but you open you don't realize that y'all are fake agents. And that is literally the only time that y'all look capable is that one opening is just a series of bad events, a series of unfortunate events. But that is so fun to play.

事實上，沒有任何一集的任何決定看起來是好的，直到你想通了，因為不是要破壞它，但你打開你不知道你們都是假特工。而這也是唯一一次你們看起來有能力的時候，那一次開場就是一系列糟糕的事件，一系列不幸的事件。但玩起來很有意思

It is so fun to play. And I have to say that it is only made possible by, you know, the players of the show. I mean, being able to do this with Wagner more like I you know, not only did I, you know, find a brother for life and a friend for life and a confidant for life, but man, is he fun to play with? Like you just you literally get to watch. It's so funny because he and I both were being challenged to play completely different sides of characters that, you know, like that people don't know us for or haven't seen us this way. So you hear you have Wagner in this playing this trepidatious, nervous, scared, you know, you know, kind of like he's like religious.

演出非常有趣。我不得不說，這一切都要歸功於劇中的演員們。我是說，能和瓦格納一起演戲，我不僅找到了一生的兄弟、一生的朋友、一生的知己，而且和他一起演戲也很有趣。就像你可以看著他玩一樣這太有趣了，因為我和他都面臨著挑戰，要扮演完全不同的角色，你知道的，就像人們不認識我們，或者沒有以這種方式看過我們。所以你會聽到瓦格納在片中飾演一個惶恐、緊張、害怕的人，你知道，你知道，有點像他的宗教信仰。

Trying to find his way, man. And every time he's just like, what did you make me do? How are we here? What is going on? And then me just trying to figure out how to hold it all together, like trying to be noble, trying to do the right thing sometimes. And but also like that kinship is so important to the story that connects you. And it was so important for us to show that love between these two, to show this kind of friendship, to show this codependence, to show that stuff and also to bring the levity up, man. We had to be clowns at some point in this, like we had to battle clowns at some point in this show. You had to you had to find that really like that creamy center of like being able to be vulnerable and to be scared, but at the same time trying to fight for your life. But that's also a testimony to Peter's writing. Yeah, no, I was literally just going to bring it to Wagner. And like, it's crazy. I saw him at Cannes. He has a new movie,

想找到自己的路每次他都會說 你讓我做了什麼？我們怎麼會在這裡？這是怎麼回事？然後我就想辦法把這一切凝聚在一起 就像有時要努力變得高尚 努力做正確的事同時，親情也是故事中非常重要的一部分，它將你們聯繫在一起。對我們來說，展現這兩個人之間的愛，展現這種友誼，展現這種相互依賴，展現這些東西，同時也讓故事變得輕鬆，這非常重要。我們必須在某些時候扮演小丑，就像我們必須在某些時候扮演小丑一樣。你必須找到那個真正的奶油中心，既能脆弱又能害怕，但同時又要為自己的生命而戰。但這也證明了彼得的寫作功力是啊，不，我只是想把它帶

The Secret Agent. And I'm just like, you know what I mean? And I'm just like, this dude, it's crazy that he's that and then he's doing like this role. And I think you it's also similar that you just kind of become a chameleon in all the parts you have. And I feel like this role in particular, there's a lot of those chameleon moments. Again, for folks that haven't seen the show, you've already kind of previewed it. You guys are fake D agents, you end up ripping off the wrong person. But the other side of this tale, which I think is interesting, and the thing I came to that the end of it is your character is really a criminal who we discovered through the course of the show is really a good guy. And the other person who kind of bookends that soul story is

祕密特工我就想，你明白我的意思嗎？我就想，這傢伙，真是瘋了，他是那樣的，然後他又演了這樣的角色。我覺得你也是一樣，你在所有的角色中都會變成變色龍。我覺得特別是這個角色，有很多變色龍的時刻。再說一遍，對於沒看過這部劇的觀眾來說，你們已經預覽過了。你們是假冒的 D 級特工，最後卻抓錯了人。但這個故事的另一面，我覺得很有意思，而且我在結尾的時候發現，你的角色其實是個罪犯，而我們在劇中發現他其實是個好人。而另一個與這個靈魂故事相輔相成的人是

Mina. And hers is, this is a supposedly a good guy, a person with a badge, who through the course of the show, we figure out is just a crazy gangster, really. You know what I mean? Talk about- Played brilliantly by Marina Harlan. What we asked of her was no small feat. Because you want to talk about someone who can act without saying a word, but can convey, you know what I mean? What we asked of her, also not to spoil the show, but she loses her voice. So the first half of the series, you're watching this woman trying to regain speech, trying to figure out, and all she wants to do, you can tell she's a hard ass. And so most of the time, you can tell that she wants to just like, but she can't talk. So you're watching Moran do this amazing, amazing work of trying to find her voice throughout this series, while also making sure that she's bringing down the people who caused this to her and took away something very important from her in her life. And Marina Harlan was the only person that I could think of that could pull that off. Like, she is the most masterful. And I just want to take a moment to give a shout out to the women of the series, period, point blank. You know, my mother is played by the like, amazing, amazing, legendary Kate Mulgrew, which, you know, I tasked her with, I was like, yeah, you're going to be my mom. You're my mom. And that's just what it is. And then you get Ving Rhames for your dad, too.

米娜她的角色是一個所謂的好人，一個有徽章的人，但在劇中，我們發現他其實只是一個瘋狂的匪徒。你明白我的意思嗎？說到這裡，瑪麗娜-哈蘭的表演非常精彩。我們對她的要求可不低因為你想說的是，一個人可以一言不發地演戲，但卻能傳達出，你明白我的意思嗎？我們對她的要求，也不是為了破壞劇情，而是她失聲了。所以在劇集的前半部分，你會看到這個女人努力恢復語言能力，努力想辦法，她想做的一切，你都能看出來她是個硬骨頭。所以大部分時間，你都能看出她想說話，但她不能說話。所以你會看到莫蘭在這個系列中努力尋找自己的聲音，同時也確保她能

Yeah, Ving Rhames is my dad. And, you know, Nesta Cooper, who plays the wonderful lawyer, Michelle, and also love interest. And you've got Liz Caribel, you know, so everyone, it was one of the best ensembles I'd ever had the luxury of being a part of. But every single character is going through this kind of existential crisis of doing what's right and trying to figure out what's right and how to make the wrongs right. And but at the same time, you know, with Mina, I become like her

是的，文-雷姆斯是我爸爸。還有內斯塔-庫珀 她飾演出色的律師米歇爾 同時也是我的愛侶還有麗茲-卡里貝爾，每個人都是 我有幸參與過的最棒的演員陣容之一但每個角色都在經歷這種生存危機 做正確的事 努力找出正確的事 以及如何糾正錯誤但與此同時，在米娜身上，我變得像她一樣

Moby Dick, right? Like, I become this white whale that she's trying to find because, like, she feels like if she, you know, can find me and track me down, like, then there's justice where you've got the whole D.A. It's like, it can't be this guy. Like, it's not this guy. And she's like, no, it's definitely this guy. So it's so it was so fun, honestly, to do this show, because we just knew that the layers of each character, episode by episode, were going to be tested. Like, everyone was going to have to go through and endure their own personal tests of trying to do what's right, because then you find out that Rey's whole journey through the whole series is like, where is that lady? Like, there's a lady that wasn't supposed to be there, like, and didn't and you're watching everybody in the series deal with their own, like, hauntings of things and decisions that they've made, which makes them even more human because, you know, it's real easy to think that they're criminals and they could get by and they're shooting this and doing that. No, everyone's moral compass is completely spinning out of control because they want to do what's right. And they want to, you know, ultimately be seen as good people. And I think that that's what's so brilliant about how Peter constructs characters and story.

白鯨，對不對？就像，我成了這個白鯨 她試圖找到 因為一樣，她覺得 如果她，你知道，可以找到我 並跟蹤我一樣，那麼有正義就像，這不是這個傢伙。她說，不，肯定是這個人。老實說，拍這部劇真的很有趣 因為我們知道，每一集每個角色的層次都會經受考驗就像，每個人都要經歷和忍受自己的個人考驗，努力去做正確的事，因為你會發現，雷伊在整個系列中的整個旅程就像，那位女士在哪裡？你會看到劇中的每個人都在面對他們自己的事情和決定，這讓他們變得更加人性化，因為你知道，他們很容易就會認為自己是罪犯，他們可以得過且過，他們拍這個做那個

Yeah, again, I'm not going to give this away because you've already highlighted I was about to go to Kate next because again, as a Trekkie, she will always be my captain as well. But you know what I mean? Like, I don't care what she does. I love that you brought her in this and she's so good at it. Ving is so good into all the women like you mentioned. But I have to just particularly shout out Dustin when and legend also, and specifically wanted to talk to you being like an EP and also someone that works with him. First of all, his character is so good. He's so good in this. I can't even begin to tell folks how good he's in it. You got to watch it all the way to the end to appreciate how good he is in it. But also this dude has been on some of like some crazy sets like he's been in like shows and just been doing stuff for forever. Did you get any stories from him? Because I feel like he would be a wealth of like, back in the 80s.

是的，我還是那句話，我不會說出來的，因為你已經強調了我下一個要說起的是凱特，因為作為一個 "星際迷"，她也永遠是我的船長。但你明白我的意思嗎？我不在乎她做什麼。我喜歡你把她帶進來，她演得很好。就像你提到的，Ving 對所有女人都很好。但我要特別提到達斯汀，他也是傳奇人物，我特別想和你談談，因為我是他的 EP，也是和他一起工作的人。首先，他的角色很棒。他在這部電影裡表現得太好了。我都不知道他演得有多好。你得一直看到最後，才能體會到他演得有多好。不過，這傢伙也參加過一些瘋狂的節目，比如他參加過演出，一直在做一

Are you asking if I specifically asked what it was like to work with Johnny Depp back on 21 down the street? No, I did not. I mean, did I think about it? Yes, I kind of know where the bodies are buried. One is hard because you're looking at this man that has been on television like for, you know, like for 40 years. Yeah. And then you question whether or not he's a vampire because he looks exactly the same. Like this man is in amazing shape. He is the kindest person in the world. And then because he's such a great actor that he takes on this

你是想問，我是否特意問過你，在 21 號大街上與約翰尼-德普共事是什麼感覺？不，我沒有。我是說，我想過嗎？是的，我知道屍體埋在哪裡。有一點很難 因為你看到的這個人 已經在電視上出現了40年了是啊然後你會懷疑他是不是吸血鬼 因為他看起來一模一樣這個人身材好得不得了他是世界上最善良的人他是世界上最善良的人 因為他是個偉大的演員

Philly accent, he takes on this Delco accent. Like now you've got this man. He's just like, like, like he, he was brilliant and he was so game for everything. And, and it was so interesting because the relationship between his character and I, you know, runs deep too, like very deep. Like you can tell that his character was the one that kind of like, you know, trained me and was like, this is how we run the street. Like there, it is also yet another love story. It is also another kind of kinship between these two men that, you know, it's mentor and mentee, but at the same time, like he is what I think family should be and should look like.

費城口音，他帶著德爾科口音。就像你現在看到的這個人他就像，就像，就像他，他是輝煌的，他是如此的遊戲的一切。這很有趣，因為他的角色和我的關係也很深，非常深。你可以看出，他的角色是那個訓練我的人，他說，這就是我們的街道。這也是另一個愛情故事。這也是這兩個人之間的另一種親情，你知道，這是良師益友，但同時，就像他是我認為的家庭應該是什麼樣子。

So you're watching us both go through that. And Dustin was just such a team player, man. Like he was just such a team player. And as the show was going on, you know, his character just became more and more entrenched in Ray's life. You could see that there were these definite hooks that he had and, and Ray's formation of, of who he was becoming as a man. And, and, and, you know, it turned, I don't want to give it away, but it goes sideways. There's a lot of betrayal. There's a lot of, you know, like a lot of breakups in a way that go on in this show. But he played it so masterfully. Like he truly is, is one of a kind, like Dustin, even, even Q who plays his grandmother, like she's a legend. Like, you know, she, she like, there was nothing greater than being able to put a double barrel shotgun in her hand. And I was like, ah, not too much, not too much of my girl. We don't want to say too much. Oh my gosh. She's such a legend. She's such a, you want to talk about stories. You want to talk about stories like she has all of them. And it was just, it was amazing. It was amazing to play with these masters. It really, really was. I'm not going to say who said it, but the coldest line, in my opinion, there's a ton of cold lines in the series.

所以你看著我們倆經歷這些達斯汀就是這樣一個團隊球員，男人。他就是這樣一個團隊成員隨著劇情的發展 他的角色越來越深入雷的生活你可以看到他有一些明確的鉤子 和雷的形成 他正在成為一個什麼樣的人然後，然後，然後，你知道，它就變成了， 我不想把它說出來，但它走偏了。有很多背叛有很多，你知道，就像很多分手 在某種程度上，在這個節目去。但他演得很好就像他真的是獨一無二的 就像達斯汀 甚至是扮演他祖母的Q 就像她是個傳奇一樣就像，你知道，她，她喜歡， 沒有什麼比能夠把 雙管獵槍在她的手中更偉大。我當時想，啊，不要太多，

Oldest line in the series is yeah, you were a tool, but it doesn't mean I don't love my tools, girl. Peter Craig, the cold line. I do want to talk before we get out of here about some of the other stuff that you've kind of gotten to do. I think you've been in two really incredible movies that were very well received. They did well at the, you know, they did well. Everyone was happy with them. But I think you on the press run for both of these movies was more impactful than anything else I will ever understand and see. Do tell. Do tell. What are these?

該系列中最古老的臺詞是：是的，你是個工具，但這並不意味著我不愛我的工具，姑娘。彼得-克雷格，冷酷的臺詞。在我們離開之前，我想談談你的其他作品。我覺得你演過兩部非常棒的電影，都很受好評。它們在電影節上表現出色，你知道，它們表現出色。大家都很滿意但我覺得你在這兩部電影的媒體見面會上 比我所瞭解和看到的任何事情都更有影響力說來聽聽說來聽聽這些是什麼？

You and Aaron Taylor Johnson in Bully Train. I love that.

你和亞倫-泰勒-約翰遜演的《霸王列車》我喜歡

And you and Chris Hemsworth on Transformers. It was hilarious watching you with these two dudes.

還有你和克里斯-海姆斯沃斯的《變形金剛》。看你和這兩個帥哥在一起的樣子真是搞笑。

Just, because I feel like you just gave them a different thing that they just don't normally do.

只是，因為我覺得你給了他們一件與眾不同的事，而他們通常不會這麼做。

It was the best thing watching it. I would love if you could tell me.

這是看這部電影最棒的地方。如果你能告訴我，我會很高興。

One of my favorite things to do with, you know, like Aaron, I mean, I could go on and on and on about Aaron because not only is he just a skilled, like just tuned in actor, but man, is he the most lovable person in the world. Like, I mean, immediately when we met on Bully Train, we read it and I was like, oh, so we're brothers. Like, for real. Like, like, for real. The joke isn't that you're, you know, you're white, I'm black. No, we, we, we came up together. That's how the story changed. Like David Leitch, like saw us and was like, I was like, no, no, no. We, we, this run, this 10 toes down, right? This is, we down like four flats. Like, this is real.

我最喜歡做的一件事就是和亞倫一起，我可以不停地談論亞倫，因為他不僅演技精湛，而且是世界上最可愛的人。就像，我的意思是，當我們在 "霸道列車 "上相遇時，我們讀了它，我就像，哦，所以我們是兄弟。真的真的這個笑話不是說你是白人，我是黑人不，我們，我們，我們一起長大。故事就是這樣改變的就像大衛-雷奇，他看到我們就說，不，不，不。我們，我們，這運行， 這10腳趾下來，對不對？這是，我們下來像四個組織、部門。這是真的

And our relationship was like that. Like me and Aaron, very much like that. And, and I think it's really cool when I can bring out, I try to bring out the levity of like, cause I, you know, like being stars like that, these beautiful chiseled adored white men, you know, I want people to be able to see the fun cause they're fun.

我們的關係就是這樣就像我和亞倫，非常像。而且，我覺得這真的很酷，當我可以帶出來， 我試圖帶出來的輕率一樣，因為我，你知道， 像明星一樣，這些美麗的鑿崇拜的白人男子， 你知道，我希望人們能夠看到的樂趣 因為他們很有趣。

But then you meet Chris who is just the, I be just like another brother. Like he would literally text me while Dope Peak was going on. Cause he's been watching it and it's just like, you know, they're just great men. They're great dudes. And I'm so glad I get to call them brothers and I would work with them a thousand times over. I like, you know, me and Aaron used to bake bread together. It's like, so it's like you it's, I'm so fortunate. That is something that I really do love about what I do is that I actually become in kinship with these people. Like they really do become family to me and, and it becomes fun because press tours are, it's a lot, but I think that's where you get to see the real, you know, you get to see the fun and you get to see, you know, it doesn't have to be so. And so like the two of them, I mean, I love them.

但後來你遇到了克里斯，他就像我的另一個兄弟。《毒峰》播出的時候，他真的會給我發簡訊因為他一直在看 他們都是好人他們都是好人我很高興能和他們稱兄道弟 我願意和他們合作無數次我和亞倫曾經一起烤麵包這就像，所以這就像你 這是，我很幸運。我真的很喜歡我的工作，因為我真的和這些人成為了親戚。他們真的成了我的家人，這讓我覺得很有趣，因為媒體巡迴演出非常多，但我覺得在那裡你才能看到真正的，你知道的，你才能看到樂趣，你才能看到，你知道的，不一定非得如此。就像他們兩個 我是說 我愛他們

I talked to them, like, I love them. And they're also just damn good. They're really damn good at what they do. I wish I had their abs, but that's not my gospel. You know what I'm saying? But like at the end of the day, they are absolutely talented and, and beautifully wonderful men.

我和他們談過，我愛他們。他們也很棒他們真的很厲害我希望我有他們的腹肌，但那不是我的福音。你知道我在說什麼嗎？但歸根結底 他們絕對是才華橫溢的好男人

And so they, they bring that up out of me too. You know, they actually, they elevate me at the same time. So it's, it's cool. It's cool. It's still as weird. I'm just like, what?

是以，他們也把我的這種精神激發了出來。你知道，實際上，他們同時也提升了我。所以，這，這很酷。這很酷。它仍然是怪異。我只是想，什麼？

What? It's like those, these are my friends. These are my family. And that's, that's what

就像那些 這些是我的朋友這些是我的家人這就是，這就是

I really love about what I do is, is the development of family that I get to, to, to, to create and the people I get to adopt and who adopt me. It's the same with Kate. Like I only call her ma. Like I really only, I have her in my phone as ma and she will only let me call her ma.

我真正喜歡的是我所從事的工作，是我所創造的家庭的發展，是我所收養的人和收養我的人。凱特也是一樣。我只叫她媽媽。我真的只在手機裡叫她 "媽媽"，她也只讓我叫她 "媽媽"。

And it's, it's real. Like she means the world to me. And so she's adopted me and, you know,

而且很真實她對我來說就是整個世界所以她收養了我 你知道的

I've adopted her. And, and there are also people that I admire at the same time. So, and they've inspired me. And it's so nice to hear that them say that I inspired them at the same time. Cause it's easy to look at them in their career and be like, they already know it. They got it. But like to, to feel that, you know, push and pull of like inspiration and care is wonderful. Like it's, it's, it's such a blessing. One of the things I've heard you talk about is how you really want to keep trying to like defy expectations with your career. And I think you've definitely done that. I've already kind of talked about it. We just sampled the roles we've talked about here. You've done that. And one of the things I know for a fact that you got to do a little bit in this, and I think you want to do more of is be in romance, but there's a performance of yours where you did have a romantic situation that I believe because I've been day one on this movie has been recontextualized in the last few years. And I'm wondering if you have felt the recontextualization of Eternals, because I feel that that movie is going to have one of these and like, and I feel it kind of already where we all just look back and we're like, we really didn't catch this. It was such an honor to play Fastest because there were a few things.

我收養了她。同時，我也很欣賞一些人。所以，他們給了我靈感。聽到他們說我同時啟發了他們，我很高興。因為看著他們的職業生涯，我很容易就會想，他們已經知道了。他們已經知道了但能感受到那種，你知道的，靈感和關懷的推力和拉力，真是太好了。就像它，它，它是這樣的祝福。我聽你說過的一件事是，你很想在事業上繼續努力，不負眾望。我認為你絕對做到了這一點。我已經談過這個問題了。我們只是抽樣調查了我們在這裡談論過的角色。你做到了其中有一件事我很清楚，你在這部電影裡做了一點，而且我認為你想做更多的事情，那就是浪漫，但你有一個表演

One, to be able to show this kind of love to show this queer love between these two men who also had a family. Also that he's a God, right? So he's eternal. And in order for him to choose love, that means that he also has to choose death. At the same time, you're going to watch your partner die at some point, but also that, that is how he was made. Like, that's who he was. That's how it was. And it was great because the best, the best part, I wasn't so excited about the action of it.

其一，能夠表現出這種愛，表現出這兩個同樣有家庭的男人之間的同性戀愛。還有，他是神，對嗎？所以他是永恆的為了讓他選擇愛 也就意味著他必須選擇死亡與此同時，你將在某個時刻看著你的伴侶死去，但這也是他的本性。他就是這樣的人就是這樣這很棒，因為最棒的部分是 我並不為其中的情節感到興奮

I was like, I can't wait to see him at home. I was like, I can't wait to see. And then I knew

我當時想，我等不及要在家裡看到他了。我當時想，我等不及要看了。然後我知道

I was going to get a kiss. I was like, Oh my God, this is my first kiss. And I loved it. It just, man, it, it, it really. Do people come up to you now? Like, I feel like it's changed now. Like,

我要得到一個吻。我當時想，天啊，這是我的初吻。我很喜歡我真的很喜歡現在有人主動找你嗎？我覺得現在不一樣了就像

I think, I think, you know, Eternals was a, it was a big experiment, right? Because like, here we are kind of breaking the MCU down, bringing all different kinds of shapes, sizes, colors, where, how you love, where you're from, it didn't matter, you know? And so it was a huge experiment, which, you know, when you make experiments, sometimes they work and sometimes they don't. But it still holds a special place in my heart because I, it was the first time that I felt like I, you know, I wasn't so much excited about the action of it. Yes, I was excited about being a part of MCU. Yes, I was excited about like, what kind of spandex am I going to be in?

我覺得，我覺得，你知道，《永恆》是一個，一個大實驗，對吧？因為我們在這裡打破了MCU的框架 帶來了各種不同的形態、大小、膚色 你愛哪裡，你來自哪裡，這些都不重要所以這是一次巨大的實驗，你知道，當你做實驗時，有時成功，有時失敗。但它在我心中依然佔據著特殊的位置，因為這是我第一次感覺到，我並不是因為它的行動而興奮。是的，我很高興能成為 MCU 的一員。是的，我很興奮，就像，我會穿什麼樣的氨綸衣服？

What's my color going to be? But to know that I had a husband, you know, I have a husband,

我的顏色會是什麼？但知道我有一個丈夫，你知道，我有一個丈夫、

I have a son. Like there's a scene like Chloe Zhao, who I adore, like her vision for this movie was so wonderful. And what she's also still a good friend and just a great visionary. But there's a scene where I'm tucking him into bed. And I was like, oh, because that young actor, Isai, who must be in his teens now, if I see this kid now, I will probably blubber cry in the street because this kid was like my, like, I love this kid so much. And she was like, well, you're going to tuck him into bed. And I was like, but there's no scene for that. And she was like, well, just, you know, do your thing. And I was like, so I'm just, I was like, well, where's my husband? Like,

我有一個兒子。我很喜歡趙可兒，她對這部電影的構想非常棒。她還是我的好朋友 也是一個偉大的夢想家但有一場戲是我在給他蓋被子我當時就想，哦，因為那個年輕的演員伊賽，現在應該有十幾歲了，如果我現在看到這個孩子，我可能會在街上哭得稀里嘩啦的，因為這個孩子就像我的孩子一樣，我太愛這個孩子了。她說，好吧，你去給他蓋被子吧。我就說，可這沒戲啊。她就說，你就做你的事吧我就說，那我丈夫呢？喜歡、

I was like, this is, this has to be a ritual that we do. And so we were improv-ing and ad-libbing our home life and showing our home. And it was just the best. It was the best. So like, I hope for more things like that. I hope for more characters like that. I hope for more kisses like that. You know, like that excites me that, that feels like it's a reflection of the world we live in, a reflection of the way I want to be loved and a reflection of the way that people want to see love. So it's like, it was, it was great. So if there's another Eternals Resurgence, that's great. Like, you know, it's, it always knocks me back a little bit when people come up and they're like, Eternals? You're from Eternals? Like, I'm like, what? Like, really?

我就想，這一定是我們的一個儀式。於是我們即興發揮，用廣告詞演繹我們的家庭生活，展示我們的家。這真是太棒了這是最好的。所以，我希望能有更多這樣的事情。我希望有更多這樣的角色我希望有更多這樣的吻你知道，這讓我感到興奮，這感覺就像是我們生活的世界的寫照，是我希望被愛的寫照，也是人們希望看到愛的寫照。所以，這就像，這是，這是偉大的。如果《永恆再現》能再出一部，那就太好了。當人們問我 "永恆"？你是 "永恆 "樂隊的？我就想，什麼？真的嗎？

Like, that's the thing. I just like, they keep adding, because once you get past just a few more characters, then you just go back to being Brian again, which is what they all should have just kind of known. So that's what I'm saying. You just got to get a few more icons on your filmography. We're getting there. We're getting there. We're getting there. We already got the

這就是問題所在我只是喜歡，他們不斷添加，因為一旦你過去只是幾個更多的字元，那麼你只是回到布萊恩再次，這是他們都應該只是那種知道。我就是這個意思你只需要在你的電影作品中多加幾個標誌性人物。我們快成功了我們快成功了我們會成功的我們已經有了

Tony nom, Oscar nom, Emmy nom. Like, we're getting there, kids. Come on.

託尼提名 奧斯卡提名 艾美獎提名孩子們，我們就要成功了來吧

We're gonna get there. Hey, stick with me.

We will. And congratulations on The Gothams as well.

我們會的也祝賀《哥譚》的成功。

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. It's also, it's great. It's a good reason to come back to New York. You know what I mean? The Gothams has always shown me love and to get this honor is crazy. I have not written a speech. I have no clue what I'm going to say because I don't ever win anything. So I don't be, I'm like, no, I ain't got to write anything. But this is really great. I'm truly honored. It's really cool. Love it. All right. Well, thank you so much, sir. And we'll see you next time.

謝謝。Thank you.Thank you.Thank you.Thank you.這也是，這是偉大的。這是一個很好的理由 回到紐約。你知道我的意思嗎？哥譚市一直對我關愛有加 能獲此殊榮簡直太瘋狂了我還沒寫演講稿我不知道自己要說什麼 因為我從沒贏過任何東西所以我不會，我想，不，我不會寫任何東西。但這真的很棒我真的很榮幸。這真的很酷。我喜歡好的好了，謝謝你這麼多，先生。我們下次再見