Name: 深度偽造防禦與人工智能網絡安全：與 Aaron Painter 一起阻止社交工程 S6 E6 (Deepfake Defense & AI Cybersecurity: Stopping Social Engineering with Aaron Painter | S6 E6)
Uploaded: 2025-05-11T00:23:31.000Z
Duration: 23 min 38 s

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We might have some new music coming out soon too, just teasing that out.

我們可能很快也會推出一些新音樂，只是在預告而已。

If you guys aren't bopping to it, you will be soon.

如果你們還沒聽過，很快就會聽了。

Thanks for coming to hang out with us today.

We've got a super cool show lined up for y'all today, super impressive guest, we've got Aaron

今天我們為大家準備了一個超酷的節目，令人印象深刻的嘉賓，我們請到了 Aaron

Aaron is a fake expert and the CEO of NameTag, an identity verification company that's at the forefront of stopping social engineering attacks.

亞倫是一位假冒專家，也是身份驗證公司 NameTag 的首席執行官，該公司在阻止社交工程攻擊方面處於領先地位。

Aaron's lived and worked in six countries across four continents.

亞倫曾在四大洲的六個國家生活和工作過。

He's a fellow at the Royal Society of Arts, a member of the Forbes Business Council and a senior external advisor.

他是英國皇家藝術學會研究員、福布斯商業理事會成員和高級外部顧問。

He's been named AWS 2019 Consulting Partner of the Year for his work at CloudReach.

他因在 CloudReach 的工作而被評為 AWS 2019 年度諮詢合作伙伴。

He's a frequent media commentator, author, active speaker, advisor, and investor to companies that are pursuing business transformation.

他經常擔任媒體評論員、作家、活躍的演講者、顧問，併為追求業務轉型的公司提供投資。

Without further ado, let's go ahead and bring Aaron on.

話不多說，讓我們請亞倫上場。

It's going to be a really fun conversation.

Before we jump in and get really deep in all of the questions, let's kind of level set.

在我們深入探討所有問題之前，讓我們先做個鋪墊。

I know Erica did a phenomenal job with your intro, but can you take a moment and just share a little bit about your personal journey here into this space?

我知道埃裡卡為你做了精彩的開場白，但你能不能花一點時間分享一下你進入這個空間的個人歷程？

What led you into the industry and kind of where you are today?

是什麼讓你進入這個行業，並有了今天的成就？

The intro is very humbling, so thank you, Erica.

這個開場白讓我非常慚愧，謝謝你，艾麗卡。

But this was actually very much a personal journey for me.

但對我來說，這其實是一次非常私人的旅程。

I get to click a lot of founding stories.

I had spent 14 years at a big company, Microsoft.

我曾在微軟這家大公司工作了 14 年。

I found the most entrepreneurial-esque things I could do.

我發現自己能做的最像創業的事情。

I led new market expansion, which meant opening Microsoft to new countries around the world.

我上司了新市場的拓展，這意味著微軟向全球新的國家開放。

How do you decide where in Africa, for example, we should open up?

例如，您如何決定我們應該在非洲的哪些地方開放？

Where is there economic potential and partners that we can bring in?

哪裡有經濟潛力，哪裡有我們可以引入的合作伙伴？

I ran the Windows franchise in Brazil and ultimately ran the business in China, which was sort of the most crazy frontier and land of opportunity at that period.

我在巴西經營 Windows 的特許經營權，並最終在中國開展業務，在那個時期，中國是最瘋狂的前沿陣地和充滿機遇的國度。

I wrote a book, actually, after leaving Microsoft, we can talk a bit more about.

實際上，我在離開微軟後寫了一本書，我們可以再聊一聊。

And then I went to run a private equity-backed company that was based in the UK.

後來，我去英國經營一家由私募股權投資支持的公司。

It was sort of one of AWS's earliest and biggest partners in Europe.

它算是 AWS 在歐洲最早和最大的合作伙伴之一。

We expanded that relationship in a whole bunch of different ways, into Google, into Microsoft, and did really well.

我們以各種不同的方式將這種關係擴展到谷歌和微軟，並且做得非常好。

But I personally then at that point was kind of tired of going back between our headquarters in London and New York and all these 23 offices around the world.

但我個人當時已經厭倦了往返於倫敦和紐約總部以及全球 23 個辦事處之間。

And so I moved back to the US just before the pandemic, literally February of 2020.

是以，我在大流行之前，也就是 2020 年 2 月搬回了美國。

And as things were getting crazy, and everything was shutting down, and we're all sort of stuck at home, I suddenly had all these friends and family members who had their identity stolen.

當一切都變得瘋狂，一切都被關閉，我們都被困在家裡時，我突然發現所有這些朋友和家人的身份都被盜用了。

And I said, I'm going to be a good friend and be a good son.

我說，我要做一個好朋友，做一個好兒子。

We're going to jump on the phone together.

And you probably had this experience, but every company we called said, well, before

你可能也有過這樣的經歷，但我們聯繫的每家公司都說，好吧，之前

I can help you, I need to ask you these security questions, which ranged from, what's your favorite color, to what street did you live on in whatever year, to what's your last name?

我可以幫你，我需要問你這些安全問題，從你最喜歡的顏色，到你在哪一年住在哪條街上，再到你姓什麼？

And obviously, someone had called before us, answered these silly questions, and took over our accounts.

顯然，有人在我們之前打過電話，回答了這些愚蠢的問題，並接管了我們的賬戶。

It led me to say, there has to be a better way, right?

這讓我想到，一定有更好的辦法，對嗎？

Technology has to provide a better way to sort of know who the human is behind the screen, particularly to keep these digital accounts safe that really govern most of our lives these days.

技術必須提供一種更好的方式來了解螢幕背後的人是誰，特別是要保證這些數字賬戶的安全，因為如今我們的大部分生活都離不開這些數字賬戶。

So that's what led originally to finding NameTag.

這就是找到 NameTag 的最初原因。

I was just telling Erica, too, we were typing over here, we have a little Word document.

我剛才也在跟艾麗卡說，我們在這裡打字，我們有一個小小的 Word 文檔。

That's how we stay on track on everything.

這樣，我們才能在所有事情上都不出差錯。

And as you're talking and sharing your story, I have to just say, it's such an impressive background, and we are so fortunate with the cool people we get to meet on this show.

在你講述和分享你的故事時，我不得不說，你的背景令人印象深刻，我們很幸運能在這個節目中遇到這麼多很酷的人。

Thank you for sharing your expertise, your background.

感謝您分享您的專業知識和背景。

This is a super interesting time that we're living in right now.

我們現在生活在一個超級有趣的時代。

You've been on the cutting edge of integrating AI, machine learning technologies.

你們一直走在整合人工智能和機器學習技術的前沿。

I mean, you have your own personal perspective on how it impacted your life, you know, your loved ones.

我的意思是，你有自己的個人觀點，你知道，你的親人是如何影響你的生活的。

This is just such a hot topic of conversation.

And so talk to us a little bit about embracing this era that we're in.

所以，請跟我們談談如何擁抱我們所處的這個時代。

How can people better educate themselves?

人們如何更好地進行自我教育？

Yeah, you know, I'd love to start and maybe even share some background, particularly if we zoom in on deep fakes, kind of what that means.

是的，你知道，我很願意從頭開始，甚至可以分享一些背景，特別是如果我們放大深度偽造，這意味著什麼。

It's a term we've heard a lot about in the news.

這是我們在新聞中經常聽到的一個詞。

And the term really originated from 2017, 2018, a user on Reddit, who was sort of created adult content using celebrity faces and bodies and mixing them together and creating call it new pieces of work, and sort of gave birth to this category of deep fakes.

而這個詞真正起源於 2017 年、2018 年，Reddit 上的一位用戶，他利用名人的臉和身體制作成人內容，並將它們混合在一起，創造出新的作品，並催生了深度偽造這一類別。

Their handle had deep fake in the name, and we've adopted that term.

他們的名稱中含有 "deep fake"，我們也採用了這個詞。

And it used to mean, you know, Photoshop used to mean manipulating a picture or in our world, it meant manipulating like a driver's license.

它過去的意思是，你知道，Photoshop 過去的意思是篡改圖片，或者在我們的世界裡，它的意思是篡改駕照。

You know, that easiest way to fake someone's driver's license wasn't to make a physical copy.

要知道，偽造駕照最簡單的方法並不是複製一份實物。

It was to use Photoshop, edit a few things, and then save as PDF and upload it to somewhere.

就是使用 Photoshop，編輯一些東西，然後保存為 PDF 格式並上傳到某個地方。

And suddenly you could be who you wanted to be in the digital world.

突然間，你可以在數字世界裡做自己想做的人。

Deep fakes, however, meant that suddenly we had these gen AI tools to make much more sophisticated versions, not only of, let's say, the document, but of the person.

然而，深度偽造意味著我們突然擁有了這些基因人工智能工具，不僅可以製作更復雜的版本，比方說，不僅可以製作文件，還可以製作人的版本。

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