Name: 唐納德-特朗普的關稅：有計劃嗎？| 英國廣播公司新聞 (Donald Trump's tariffs: Is there a plan? | BBC News)
Uploaded: 2025-04-12T09:42:44.000Z
Duration: 28 min 44 s

Wednesday was quite a day quite a day for podcasters

對於播客來說，週三是個不平凡的日子

情態副詞

We had recorded all sorts of wonderful stuff which we had to junk because it all got very quickly out of date

我們錄製了各種精彩的內容，但因為很快就過時了，所以不得不把它們扔掉。

The issue was this an announcement on truth social from Donald Trump that dropped most of the high tariffs around the world down to 10% except for China and they had a hundred and twenty-five percent and here is how he explained what he was doing

唐納德-特朗普（Donald Trump）在真理社交網站上宣佈將全球大部分高關稅降至 10%，但中國除外，他們的關稅高達 125%。

Jumping a little bit out of line. They were getting yippy, you know, they're getting a little bit yippy a little bit afraid unlike these champions

跳得有點離譜他們開始躁動，你知道，他們開始有點躁動，有點害怕，不像這些冠軍們

Because we have a big job to do no other president would have done what I did

因為我們任重道遠，沒有其他總統會像我這樣做

No other president. I know the president's they wouldn't have done it and it had to be done

沒有其他總統。我知道總統們不會這麼做，但必須這麼做

What was happening to us on trade not only with you know, if you look at it, not only with China but China was by far the biggest abuser in history and

我們在貿易方面遇到的情況，不僅是與中國的貿易，而且中國是迄今為止歷史上最大的濫用者。

Somebody had to do it. They had to stop because it was not sustainable. So tariffs apparently paused for now

必須有人去做。他們不得不停止，因為這是不可持續的。是以，關稅顯然暫時停止了

Has Donald Trump rode back from the brink? Welcome to America's

唐納德-特朗普已經從邊緣騎回來了嗎？歡迎來到美國

Hello, it's Anthony in Arlington, Virginia and it's Justin at home in South London and it is Mariana aka

您好，我是弗吉尼亞州阿靈頓的安東尼，我是倫敦南部家中的賈斯汀，我是瑪麗安娜，又名瑪麗安娜。

Misinformation in the worldwide headquarters. Okay, it is one o'clock in the afternoon in

全球總部的錯誤信息好了，現在是下午 1 點鐘，在

London on the 10th of April and I say all of that because who knows where we will be by two o'clock in the afternoon

4 月 10 日在倫敦，我說這些是因為誰也不知道下午兩點我們會在哪裡。

Or wherever and we've had to junk everything we've already done. So we're kind of we're meeting aren't we in temporary?

或者其他什麼地方，我們不得不把已經做好的東西都扔掉。所以我們是在臨時會面，不是嗎？

Studios around the world, but that doesn't matter because there is so much to talk about that is

世界各地的工作室，但這並不重要，因為有太多值得談論的事情是

Itself temporary you never quite know with Donald Trump how long anything is going to last

你永遠不知道唐納德-特朗普（Donald Trump）會把事情持續多久。

So I think it's kind of fitting isn't it?

所以我覺得這很合適，不是嗎？

Actually that we're all in temporary places and also Mariana that all of this is happening because of social media posts

事實上，我們都在臨時的地方，還有瑪麗安娜，這一切都是因為社交媒體上的帖子而發生的

It is in order to figure out what is or isn't going on inside Donald Trump's head the million-dollar question

為了弄清唐納德-特朗普的腦子裡到底在想些什麼，這個百萬美元的問題就是

It seems like truth social is your best portal. That's Donald Trump's own social media site. Um, and

看來，"真相社交 "是你最好的入口。那是唐納德-特朗普自己的社交網站。嗯，還有

Yesterday so we're recording on Thursday. So Wednesday of this week you had Donald Trump saying

昨天，所以我們在週四錄製。本週三，唐納德-特朗普說

Well, the be cool was in capitals just just so you've got the message the USA will be bigger and better than ever before and then and then four hours later the be cool message had slightly evolved and

好吧，"酷 "是用大寫字母寫的，只是為了讓你明白，美國將比以往任何時候都更強大、更美好，然後，四個小時後，"酷 "的資訊略有變化，"美國將比以往任何時候都更強大、更美好"。

He essentially said based on the lack of respect that China has shown to the world's markets

他主要說，基於中國對世界市場缺乏尊重

I'm raising the tariff charge to China by the United States of America to 125% effective immediately and he then issued what he called this of 90-day pause on

我將美利堅合眾國對中國徵收的關稅提高到 125%，立即生效。

The other tariffs that he'd imposed and brought them all to this 10% level. Um, so

他徵收的其他關稅也都達到了 10%的水準。所以

Well, you know remember just a couple of days ago

There were those reports about a 90-day pause the stock market

Surged and the White House came out and said no, we're not even considering that that's ridiculous. It's fake news

白宮出面說不，我們根本不考慮這個問題，這太荒謬了。這是假新聞

And here we go two days later. We have that 90-day pause and the stock market

兩天後，我們又來了。我們迎來了 90 天的停頓期，股市

Rebounded quite dramatically just within minutes of Donald Trump's truth social announcement

就在唐納德-特朗普宣佈真相的幾分鐘內大幅反彈

I think ultimately some of the major indices here in the United States were up about eight or nine

我認為，美國的一些主要指數最終上漲了大約 8 或 9%。

Percent made up about half of the losses that we've had this entire week

At least investors seem to think Donald Trump is backing away from this kind of global restructuring of trade policy even as he is

至少投資者似乎認為唐納德-特朗普正在放棄這種全球貿易政策的重組，即使他正在

Leaning into China and a fight with China and trying to make China the villain here and as ever he had his own

向中國靠攏，與中國爭鬥，試圖讓中國成為這裡的惡棍，他一如既往地有自己的

Explanation for what he had done. Let's listen to that and I

解釋他的所作所為。讓我們聽一聽，我

Think it probably came together early this morning fairly early this morning. Just wrote it up. I didn't we didn't have the use of

我想大概是今天一大早就寫好了。剛寫完我們沒有使用

We didn't have access to lawyers or it was just wrote up. We wrote it up from our hearts, right?

我們沒辦法請律師，否則就只能寫出來。我們是發自內心地寫出來的，對嗎？

It was written from the heart and I think it was well written too, but it was written from the heart it was written as something that I think was very positive for the world and for us and

它是發自內心的，我認為寫得也很好，但它是發自內心的，我認為它對世界和我們都是非常積極的。

We don't want to hurt countries that don't need to be heard and they all want to negotiate

我們不想傷害那些不需要被傾聽的國家，他們都想談判

The only problem is you know, you can only do so many at one time. It's like

唯一的問題是，一次只能做這麼多。這就像

It's we want to do it, right? We want to get it, right?

我們想做，對嗎？我們想要得到它，對嗎？

We want to take care of them, but we have to take care of our country. So but this was something certainly we've been talking about for a period of time and we decided to

我們想照顧他們，但我們必須照顧我們的國家。是以，這當然是我們討論了一段時間的事情，我們決定

Pull the trigger and we did it today and we're happy about it and Anthony on the domestic politics

扣動扳機，我們今天做到了，我們為此感到高興，安東尼對國內政治感到高興

It's really important. Isn't it that China never mind the kind of effect on geopolitics, but on domestic politics

這真的很重要。是不是中國從不考慮對地緣政治的影響，而是考慮對國內政治的影響？

He's singling out China and that is something in in domestic

他把中國單獨挑出來，這在國內是不允許的。

American political terms you can do because the argument about whether China is an abuser of trade practices has sort of been one hasn't it that the Democrats would sort of fold in with

在美國的政治術語中，你可以這樣做，因為關於中國是否濫用貿易慣例的爭論一直都是民主黨會與之妥協的問題，不是嗎？

That and I think most Americans would believe even people who don't follow these things very much

我認為大多數美國人都會相信，即使是不太關注這些事情的人也會相信

Would sort of have an understanding of what they think is malpractice from China that that deserves to be punished

會對他們認為中國應該受到懲罰的瀆職行為有一定的瞭解

Right, they view China as a major international rival not just economically but also militarily politically

沒錯，他們認為中國不僅在經濟上，而且在軍事上、政治上都是一個主要的國際對手。

It fits much more neatly into kind of the broad strokes of American foreign policy over the past ten

它更符合美國過去十年外交政策的大體輪廓。

So it fits with what Joe Biden was trying to do he left

是以，這與喬-拜登離開時的想法不謀而合

Terrorists that Donald Trump put in in his first term on China. He worked more to organize

唐納德-特朗普（Donald Trump）在他的第一個任期內對中國實施了恐怖襲擊。他更致力於組織

US allies in the Pacific region to position themselves to resist Chinese

美國在太平洋地區的盟國要做好抵制中國的準備

Expansions so all of this makes sense in kind of a cohesive American strategy in a way that

是以，所有這些都是有意義的，是一種有凝聚力的美國戰略。

Those massive tariffs on the EU and on South Korea and on Japan and on all of these other

對歐盟、韓國、日本以及所有其他國家徵收的鉅額關稅

Countries that the United States is supposed to be working closely with just never did I mean it's funny

美國本應與之密切合作的國家卻從未合作過，我的意思是這很有趣

He talks about you know, he didn't consult with lawyers. He wrote it from the heart

他談到，他沒有諮詢律師。他是發自內心地寫的

I mean, I think that's pretty obvious because you know, there was so much confusion after this announcement came in

我的意思是，我認為這一點非常明顯，因為你知道，在這一消息公佈後，人們感到非常困惑

There was you had Steve beset the Scott beset the the Treasury Secretary standing there at a press gaggle saying

斯科特和財政部長站在那裡對媒體說

That these tariffs applied to Canada and Mexico

這些關稅適用於加拿大和墨西哥

It actually would have raised tariffs on Canada and Mexico then they had to come back and say no actually they don't the old

實際上，這將提高對加拿大和墨西哥的關稅，然後他們不得不回來說不，實際上他們不這樣做。

Tariffs apply there. I had to clarify whether the specific industry targeted tariffs were affected by this

關稅適用於那裡。我必須澄清特定行業的目標關稅是否受此影響

They weren't what level of tariffs there were coming out

他們並不清楚即將出臺的關稅水準

It was just it was chaos and you could see it in our in our

當時一片混亂，你可以從我們的生活中看到這一點

BBC chats trying to figure all of this out as the story unfold and you could see it in the coverage from reporters and the questions from reporters at the White House

英國廣播公司（BBC）在報道中試圖弄清這一切，你可以從記者的報道和記者在白宮的提問中看到這一點。

I was gonna say that I am appreciating that phrase it came from the heart which seems to be a kind of pretty spot-on way of describing almost every post on social media, but particularly

我想說的是，我很欣賞 "發自內心 "這句話，它似乎是描述社交媒體上幾乎所有帖子的一種非常準確的方式，但尤其是

Semi-capitalized posts on truth social and and there's something about I don't know

關於真理社交的半大寫帖子，還有一些我不知道的東西

I think it's quite interesting the kind of emotional slant that that Donald Trump has put on that like the kind of this idea of like

我認為，唐納德-特朗普的這種情緒化傾向非常有趣，就像他的這種想法，就像

We felt like doing it like we sort of decided and you know

我們覺得這樣做就像我們決定的那樣，你知道

We don't want these other countries to be like in trouble or harmed and we've decided we felt like it was the time to do

我們不希望其他國家陷入困境或受到傷害，我們認為現在是時候做這件事了。

Does a u-turn exist in the world of Donald Trump and if it does is this what it looks like?

在唐納德-特朗普的世界裡，是否存在 "掉頭 "現象？

Isn't that interesting a u-turn doesn't exist. He's the kind of postmodern

這不是很有趣嗎？他是那種後現代

Rightist you think of all those people on the left in American politics who claim, you know their own experience and their own their own kind of vision of who they are and and all the other things that people kind of on the postmodern left claim

你會想到美國政壇左派的那些人，他們聲稱自己有自己的經歷，有自己的理想，有自己的身份，還有後現代左派所聲稱的其他一切。

He's the equivalent on the right, isn't he? There is no such thing as objective truth

他就相當於右派，不是嗎？客觀真理是不存在的

There is only his truth just as some people on the left say there is only their truth about their experience and all the rest

只有他才是真相，就像左翼的一些人說只有他們的經驗才是真相，其他的都是假的。

And I just I think you raise a really fascinating point kind of central political point about

我認為你提出了一個非常吸引人的觀點，也是一個核心的政治觀點。

Trump which is that he does because of who he is and because of the way he is

特朗普是這樣做的，因為他是誰，因為他的方式

He manages to get away with so much more than any kind of ordinary

他比任何普通人都能逍遙法外。

Person would do and I we ought to hear what the Democrats were saying

我們應該聽聽民主黨人是怎麼說的。

I don't know what we all thought of this but Chuck Schumer who's still there still plugging away poor guy

我不知道大家對此有何看法，但查克-舒默（Chuck Schumer）還在那裡堅持工作，可憐的傢伙

Sounding I thought a bit knackered actually the Democrats leader in in the Senate doing his best to sort of whip us all

民主黨領袖在參議院竭盡全力鞭策大家，我覺得他聽起來有點疲憊不堪。

Into a frenzy of outrage at what Donald Trump had done

對唐納德-特朗普的所作所為義憤填膺

His advisors are fighting among themselves calling each other names and you cannot run a country

他的顧問們自相殘殺，互相謾罵，這樣是無法管理國家的

With such unpredictability with such lack of understanding of what's going on in the world and the facts

如此不可預測，如此缺乏對世界和事實的瞭解

When there's chaos already damage is done

Irretrievable damage is done so I think Schumer was picking up there on on the chaos that happened after this announcement of the

已經造成了無法挽回的損失，所以我認為舒默在這裡是在指出，在這次宣佈 "賄選 "之後發生的混亂。

Confusion as well and try to paint that as a broader picture of the Trump administration not just with these terrorists

同時也是一種困惑，並試圖將其描繪成特朗普政府更廣泛的形象，而不僅僅是與這些恐怖分子的關係

But with everything that they're doing that they don't know what they're doing

但他們所做的一切，他們都不知道自己在做什麼