I'm really great.

我真的很棒。

I'm very excited to be here.

我很高興能來到這裡。

Oh, are you kidding me?

哦，你在開玩笑嗎？

We're so excited.

我們太激動了

I'm going to give you a little public.

我要給你一個小公開。

I told you before, but my driver coming here, Tom, just says, oh, he's the best in the country.

我之前跟你說過，我的司機湯姆一來就說，哦，他是全國最棒的。

Go away.

走開

Yeah.

是啊

I like to compliment people at the front just so to get rid of any of the nasty questions.

我喜歡在前臺恭維別人，這樣就能擺脫那些討厭的問題。

What you're, what you're not saying there is I was also your driver here.

你沒說的是，我也是你的司機。

Yeah, right.

是啊，沒錯。

Different Tom.

不一樣的湯姆

What you're not saying there is he drove me here and he took off his mustache.

你沒說的是，他開車送我來這裡，還把鬍子摘了。

Congratulations on the film.

祝賀您的電影。

Thank you, man.

謝謝

Thank you.

謝謝。

When you first read the script, it's a lot.

當你第一次讀劇本的時候，你會發現很多東西。

So what do you connect with when you first read it?

那麼，當你第一次閱讀時，你會聯想到什麼呢？

I certainly connected as a parent, the impotent feeling you have of worry, almost constant worry and fear.

作為父母，我當然也有這種無能為力的感覺，那就是擔心，幾乎是無時無刻的擔心和恐懼。

And, and it both parents are like, what the hell are we doing?

而且，父母雙方都覺得，我們到底在幹什麼？

Or what do we do in these situations, particularly when things are getting tough.

或者說，在這種情況下，尤其是在事情變得棘手的時候，我們該怎麼辦？

I certainly connected to that first.

我當然首先想到了這一點。

And I think what I love about the film about halfway through, there's a great scene I have with Anthony Hopkins who plays my father, not the same role, by the way, as in the father, but, um, is you realize we're all still sons and daughters and children of parents.

我喜歡這部電影的一點是，影片進行到一半時，我和飾演我父親的安東尼-霍普金斯（Anthony Hopkins）有一場精彩的對戲，順便說一下，不是同一個角色，而是父親的角色，但是，嗯，你會意識到我們都還是父母的兒女和子女。

And we carry that with us all our life and that informs our parenting.

我們終其一生都會銘記這一點，並將其貫穿於我們的育兒過程中。

So for better or worse, you know, most parents, I'm not sure if you're a parent, Tom, but you start that journey determined not to make the same mistakes that impacted you growing up or the things that you thought were not great.

是以，無論好壞，你知道，大多數父母，我不確定你是否也是父母，湯姆，在開始這段旅程時，都會下定決心，不再犯影響你成長的同樣的錯誤，不再犯你認為不好的事情。

I'm going to be different.

我要與眾不同。

I'm going to do this better.

我會做得更好。

I'm going to do that better.

我會做得更好。

I think one of the beautiful things about the story is we actually, in some ways, unconsciously or consciously, we tend to somehow relive a lot of those and bring all those up.

我認為，這個故事的美妙之處之一在於，我們實際上在某種程度上，不管是無意識的還是有意識的，都傾向於以某種方式重溫這些故事，並把所有這些故事都提起來。

So I certainly felt it was as a parent first.

所以，我當然首先覺得這是作為父母的責任。

And then I think just as a human being, I felt there was something very, um, urgent about the story, a conversation that needs to happen that is so hard to have because there's a lot of guilt and shame and around it and ignorance.

我覺得作為一個人，我覺得這個故事有一種緊迫感，一種需要進行的對話，而這種對話很難進行，因為周圍有很多內疚、羞恥和無知。

And what I loved is the script doesn't give answers as to why or how to solve it.

我喜歡的是，劇本沒有給出原因和解決方法。

It just really is opening up a conversation.

這真的是在開啟一場對話。

Do you feel that you feel that as a parent, you connect with it as a parent and you connect with it as a human being, do you connect with it as a child?

你是否感覺到，作為父母，你與它聯繫在一起，作為一個人，你與它聯繫在一起，作為一個孩子，你與它聯繫在一起嗎？

Yeah.

是啊

It brought up a lot for me shooting the film and of my own childhood, things that I had forgotten about or wanted to forget about.

在拍攝這部影片時，我想起了很多事情，也想起了自己的童年，那些我已經忘記或想要忘記的事情。

Um, and my, my father died during the filming.

我父親在拍攝期間去世了。

So it would, there was a lot of stuff going on, uh, for me personally.

所以，對我個人來說，有很多事情要做。

Thank you.

謝謝。

Um, and it was, I think if I could describe myself as an actor, I would be generally someone I did a lot of training and part of that training was knowing how to balance the work and home life and how to leave your job at work and not carry characters or emotional turmoil at home.

嗯，我想，如果把我自己描述成一個演員，我一般會說我是一個接受過大量訓練的人，而訓練的一部分就是知道如何平衡工作和家庭生活，如何在工作中放下工作，而不把角色或情緒波動帶到家裡。

And I, I wasn't very successful with this one.

而我，這一次我做得不是很成功。

That was pretty much a hot mess during this one.

在這期間，幾乎是一團糟。

I mean, what are you going to do?

我是說，你打算怎麼辦？

Right.

對

You know, like I think anyway, that's the thing, when you watch this film and you like, you, you, you have someone in your life who suffers or deals with depression and who doesn't, or you have something in your life that's true.

你知道，無論如何，我想，這就是問題所在，當你看完這部電影，你喜歡，你，你，你的生活中有人患有抑鬱症或與抑鬱症打交道，誰沒有，或者你在你的生活中有一些東西是真實的。

We all do.

我們都是這樣。

Right.

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Yeah.

是啊

Yeah.

是啊

Yeah.

是啊

You have, you have someone in your life, whether it's you or somebody else who is a child of divorce and who isn't right.

在你的生活中，不管是你還是其他人，都有一個人是離婚的孩子，他是不對的。

Like who doesn't have someone, it's hard enough to know when I say hard enough, it's moving enough to watch it, but to, and I know, and don't you tell me anything you don't want to tell me, but I know these things have come up in your life.

就像誰沒有一個人一樣，當我說 "夠難 "的時候，你就知道這已經夠難了，看著它已經夠讓人感動了，但是，我知道，你不要告訴我任何你不想告訴我的事情，但是我知道這些事情已經出現在你的生活中了。

I've read interviews.

我看過一些採訪。

You talk about your family, like growing up in the Wolverine stuff.

你談到了你的家庭，比如在《金剛狼》中成長的經歷。

I heard you talk about where the anger, right.

我聽你說過憤怒在哪裡，對吧。

They were from Wolverine.

它們來自《金剛狼》。

Yeah.

是啊

For that to come out in this movie, I can't imagine, I can imagine that's, that's hard here.

要在這部電影中體現出來，我無法想象，我可以想象，這在這裡是很難的。

Yeah.

是啊

But it's also beautiful.

但它也很美。

Yeah.

是啊

I think, you know, I'm 53.

我想，你知道，我已經 53 歲了。

So I I'm at a point in my life where I'm really interested in the patterns that I unconsciously live.

是以，我對自己無意識中的生活模式產生了濃厚的興趣。

I don't want to keep living them or repeating them not unconsciously.

我不想再過這樣的生活，也不想再不自覺地重複這樣的生活。

So I'm probably most people on a search for, for all of that stuff that's within me and, and acting gives you the most incredible opportunity to face it.

所以，可能大多數人都在尋找，尋找我內心的那些東西，而表演給了你最不可思議的機會去面對它。

But it's hard.

但這很難。

It is hard.

這很難。

And I, I'm super grateful for it, but I'm not going to lie to you.

我非常感激，但我不會對你撒謊。

There was times where I was struggling to sleep.

有好幾次，我都難以入睡。

There was times where I probably hugged my kids and they were like, what the hell's going on with dad?

有好幾次，我抱著孩子們，他們會問，爸爸到底怎麼了？

I was feeling a real need to connect.

我感覺自己真的需要聯繫。

And it has certainly changed me, I think as a parent for sure.

作為父母，我認為這無疑改變了我。

Changed you how?

如何改變你？

I'm different parenting now.

我現在的育兒方式不同了。

Really?

真的嗎？

Oh, yeah.

哦，是的

I think I admit a lot more, for example, things that I thought you never meant to admit to as a parent, like I'll say to one of my kids, like, I gotta be honest, I actually, mom and I disagree on this.

我覺得我承認了更多的事情，比如，我以為作為父母永遠不會承認的事情，比如我會對我的一個孩子說，我得說實話，其實我和媽媽在這個問題上意見不一致。

And I have no idea who's right or wrong.

我不知道誰對誰錯。

I just have this weird feeling that, that this is not going to end well.

我只是有種奇怪的感覺，覺得這不會有什麼好結果。

And can we sit down and talk about it?

我們能坐下來談談嗎？

Now that, that sentence would never have come out of my mouth.

現在，這句話絕不會從我嘴裡說出來。

We would have had them and I would have had to talk about it, would somehow wrestle our way into it.

我們本來可以讓他們和我談談這件事的，但不知怎麼的，我們就扯到這件事上了。

This is what we think.

這就是我們的想法。

And we sit them down now, this is happening.

我們現在讓他們坐下來，這一切正在發生。

And we think it should be this.

我們認為應該是這樣。

And I somehow thought that was or I didn't think it was right.

我莫名其妙地認為這是不對的，或者說我認為這是不對的。

I mean, my kids are 17 and 22.

我是說，我的孩子已經 17 歲和 22 歲了。

So just to give context, I didn't think it was right to share vulnerability, too much vulnerability.

是以，為了說明背景，我認為分享脆弱是不對的，太脆弱了。

I thought that would end up being a burden for them.

我想這最終會成為他們的負擔。

Yeah.

是啊

Oh, and a burden for them.

哦，這也是他們的負擔。

Interesting.

有意思

Yeah.

是啊

Of course.

當然。

Yeah.

是啊

They don't want to feel unsafe.

他們不想感到不安全。

Like, oh my God, my dad's out of control.

比如，天哪，我爸爸失控了。

But take on dad's stuff.

但要接手爸爸的工作。

I understand.

我明白。

But now I will like, I'll, I'll say like, Hey guys, I know I might seem a bit preoccupied or if I seem a bit vacant, I'm just really nervous.

但現在，我會說："嘿，夥計們，我知道我可能看起來有點心事重重，或者我看起來有點空虛，但我真的很緊張。

I got my opening night next week.

下週是我的首演之夜

And this is bothering.

這讓我很煩惱。

That's bothering me.

這讓我很煩惱。

And I'm worried about how it'll go.

我很擔心事情會怎樣發展。

And so, and I see their relief when I say that kind of thing.

是以，當我說這些話時，我看到他們如釋重負。

And it connects us.

它將我們聯繫在一起。

So there's a couple of changes.

所以有幾處改動。

That's beautiful.

太美了

You know, I don't know.

你知道，我不知道。

I'm ready to get letters from parenting experts.

我已經準備好收到育兒專家的來信了。

Okay.

好的

What the hell are you thinking?

你到底在想什麼？

No, no, no.

不，不，不

But it's certainly I feel part of the conversation has to be leading with vulnerability.

當然，我覺得對話的一部分必須以脆弱為主導。

Even if you're the parent, supposedly no, supposedly no.

即使你是家長，也應該說不，應該說不。

And that, you know, I think there's a line in the movie, love is not enough.

我覺得電影裡有句臺詞：愛是不夠的。

It's not always enough.

這並不總是足夠的。

Yeah.

是啊

Love is the most important thing, but that doesn't solve problems.

愛是最重要的，但這並不能解決問題。

It doesn't always tell you how to handle a situation just because you can get in the way.

它並不總是告訴你如何處理某種情況，只是因為你會妨礙它。

It can make you blind to certain things.

它會讓你對某些事情視而不見。

It can make you feel like I'm the one who's got to fix this.

這會讓你覺得我是那個必須解決這個問題的人。

I'm the one who loves this kid more than anyone, but maybe someone who's a little more removed or a little more experienced or seen it for 40 years is a better person.

我比任何人都更愛這個孩子，但也許比我資歷更深一點、經驗更豐富一點、或者看了 40 年的人更適合這個孩子。

That's, that's, that's hard, man.

這，這，這很難，夥計。

That's hard, but it's good.

這很難，但很好。

I mean, I think leading with vulnerability is always the way to go.

我的意思是，我認為以脆弱為主導永遠是正確的做法。

You know, I think the more we can be true of ourselves to one another is right.

你知道，我認為我們越是能彼此真誠相待，就越是正確的。

Even if there's a problem, at least it's going to be an honest problem.

即使有問題，至少也會是一個誠實的問題。

Right.

對

You know what I mean?

你明白我的意思嗎？

I guess Newfoundland's a bit like Australia.

我猜紐芬蘭有點像澳洲。

That's not the way we were brought up.

我們不是這樣長大的。

Not our parents generation.

而不是我們的父母輩。

I'll tell you that much.

我就說這麼多吧。

Right.

對

No, you keep it in and you do a bit of this.

不，你把它放進去，然後做一點這個。

I, I, I started seeing a therapist about a year and a half ago.

我，我，我一年半前開始看心理醫生。

Yeah.

是啊

How's that?

怎麼樣？

Awesome.

棒極了

I see one too.

我也看到一個。

It's great.

太棒了

Oh yeah.

哦，是的。

I'm like the driver.

我就像司機。

His name's Tom.

他叫湯姆

No, I'm joking.

不，我在開玩笑。

I'm joking.

我開玩笑的。

I'm joking.

我開玩笑的。

Well, I was crying in the backseat about an hour ago.

一小時前，我還在後座哭呢。

I didn't know he was a professional.

我不知道他是專業人士。

It's awesome.

太棒了

Yeah.

是啊

But like, I know five, 10 years ago, if I said that to my mates from high school, they'd be like, Oh, she, she's been in Hollywood too long.

但是，我知道在五年或十年前，如果我對我的高中同學這麼說，他們一定會說，哦，她，她在好萊塢待太久了。

Yeah.

是啊

You know, what's wrong?

你知道，怎麼了嗎？

You just got to have a couple of beers with your mates and you talk about and move on.

你只需和你的夥伴們喝上幾杯啤酒，然後聊聊天，繼續前進。

I'm like, actually, I'm not sure a lot of my mates would really have a lot to offer.

我想，實際上，我不確定我的很多隊友是否真的能提供很多東西。

I don't know.

我不知道。

Maybe they would, but, um, there is certainly a place for having a real friend that you can really share everything with.

也許他們會，但是，嗯，有一個真正的朋友，你可以真正分享一切，這肯定是有道理的。

And certainly for me, there's a place to having a professional who knows what they're talking about.

當然，對我來說，有一個知道自己在說什麼的專業人士也是很重要的。

It's the best.

這是最好的。

It's the greatest, you know?

這是最棒的，你知道嗎？

Right.

對

And how long have you been?

你有多長時間了？

Oh, uh, what am I?

我是什麼？

35.

35.

So since I was 28, really?

從我 28 歲開始，真的嗎？

Yeah.

是啊

Yeah.

是啊

Had a, had a panic attack, sent me to the hospital, came out to, had to go see a therapist, right.

恐慌症發作，送我去醫院，出來後，不得不去看心理醫生，對吧。

Changed my life.

改變了我的生活

I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for that.

如果不是這樣，我也不會在這裡。

And like you, I'm a big mindfulness person, right?

和你一樣，我也很注重修心，對嗎？

You do a lot of that stuff too, right?

你也做了很多這樣的事情，對嗎？

Yeah.

是啊

I've been meditating for 25 years.

我已經冥想了 25 年。

Um, that's certainly changed my life in a big way.

嗯，這確實大大改變了我的生活。

You got a daily practice?

你每天都練習嗎？

Yeah.

是啊

Twice a day.

一天兩次

What?

什麼？

Uh, how long?

呃，要多久？

TM 20 minutes.

TM 20 分鐘。

TM.

TM.

Yeah.

是啊

All right.

好吧

What's your answer?

你的答案是什麼？

I'm only joking.

我只是在開玩笑。

That's like the best question I've ever had.

這是我遇到過的最好的問題。

I could have just slipped it out and been expelled, been expelled from the Maharishi school of meditation.

我本可以就這麼溜走，然後被開除，被馬哈希冥想學校開除。

For people who don't know, you're not meant to say it out loud.

對於不知道的人，你不應該大聲說出來。

Yeah.

是啊

Transcendental meditation.

超凡冥想

You're not, you are given a mantra and you're not to say it out.

不是這樣的，給你一句咒語，你不能說出來。

You're not to say it out loud, but I almost gotcha.

你不能大聲說出來，但我差點就猜到了。

You almost got me for a second.

我差點被你說中了

I almost gotcha.

我差點就抓住你了。

That's my hard hitting gotcha journalism.

這就是我的 "硬碰硬 "新聞報道。

I get celebrities to tell me their mantras.

我讓名人告訴我他們的口頭禪。

That's it.

就是這樣。

And then I can never meditate again.

然後我就再也無法冥想了。

Does this help you in your acting career too?

這對你的演藝事業也有幫助嗎？

For sure.

當然。

Yeah.

是啊

I actually went to a, uh, it was a school of practical philosophy.

實際上，我上的是一所實踐哲學學校。

I was in Perth.

我當時在珀斯。

There was a guy in my school that was in my year who had a quality about him.

我們學校有一個和我同年級的男生，他身上有一種特質。

I couldn't put my finger on it.

我也說不清楚。

I said something different about you, man.

我對你說了些不同的話

And he said, I, you know, I meditate and I said, ah, what's that?

他說，我，你知道，我冥想，我說，啊，那是什麼？

And anyway, so I went along to this thing.

總之，我就去了。

And, and that very first day they gave us a beginner to meditation, which was a kind of mindfulness practice of connecting to your senses twice a day for two minutes.

第一天，他們就給我們上了一堂冥想入門課，這是一種每天兩次、每次兩分鐘的正念練習。

So just sit, feel your body in the chair, feel the breeze on your face, all of that two minutes.

所以，只要坐著，在椅子上感受自己的身體，感受微風拂面，這兩分鐘就夠了。

So I literally went to acting school.

所以我真的去了表演學校。

The next day, my first class with this guru acting teacher.

第二天，我上了這位表演大師的第一堂課。

And he said, I'm going to tell you something to do.

他說，我要告訴你一件事要做。

I'm going to give you an exercise.

我給你們做個練習。

And I'm going to tell you right now, 99% of you will never do it.

我現在就告訴你們，99% 的人都不會這麼做。

You'll do it for about a week and then you'll never do it again.