I grew up in Cork, my parents were teachers, pretty average middle class upbringing, you Cillian, I've also heard you say that one of your happiest places is on set when you hear the word action.

我在科克長大，我的父母都是教師，在中產階級家庭長大，你是西里安，我也聽你說過，你最開心的地方之一就是在片場聽到 "行動 "這個詞。

Yeah.

是啊

Why?

為什麼？

I mean, if I'm in the film, obviously. I feel like hiding watching.

我的意思是，如果我在電影裡，很明顯。 我想躲起來看

Otherwise it's just awkward for everyone involved.

否則，大家都會覺得尷尬。

Isn't that Cillian Murphy?

那不是西里安-墨菲嗎？

What's he doing here?

他在這裡做什麼？

He's just watching.

他只是在看。

He'll leave soon.

他很快就會離開

He's happy now.

他現在很開心。

Yeah, well it is, it's that thing of where, you know, that's the kind of the moments you've been looking forward to building up towards and it is true to say that time kind of slows down and you stop sensing things in a kind of a normal way and I love it, I mean it's my favourite part of the whole thing and it's the thing you kind of live for, I think.

是的，就是這樣，你知道，這是你期待已久的時刻，可以說，時間會變慢，你不再以一種正常的方式感知事物，我喜歡這樣，我是說，這是我最喜歡的部分，我認為，這是你生活的一部分。

I mean, I love watching comedies or whatever, but the films that I really, really, the ones that are close to my heart, I guess, are the dramatic ones, you know, and the pieces, generally not just films like pieces of art and literature and everything, they tend to be the ones, I think, where the stakes are raised and to me that is drama.

我的意思是，我喜歡看喜劇或其他電影，但我真正真正喜歡的電影，我想，是那些戲劇性的電影，你知道，那些作品，一般不僅僅是電影，就像藝術作品、文學作品和其他作品一樣，我認為，它們往往是那些賭注被提高的電影，對我來說，這就是戲劇。

The greater the stakes, the greater the drama and that, to me, is more compelling to watch and that's, I guess, the sort of material that I'm drawn to.

賭注越大，戲劇性就越強，對我來說，這就更有吸引力，我想，這也是我喜歡的題材。

When the real drama kicks in, when the stakes are raised, which to me, you know, that is real drama, when the stakes become about kind of life and death, you're fully invested in these characters.

當真正的戲劇性開始時，當賭注提高時，對我來說，你知道，這才是真正的戲劇性，當賭注變成生死攸關時，你就會全身心地投入到這些角色中。

As actors, you get attracted to stories that are kind of, it's a very, it's a David and Goliath kind of story.

作為演員，你會被這樣的故事所吸引，這是一個大衛與歌利亞的故事。

I love all the big, I love the, I relish those big scenes, those confrontational scenes, they're very, very satisfying for an actor when you get that calibre of actor acting opposite, you know.

我喜歡所有的大場面，我喜歡，我津津樂道於那些大場面，那些對峙的場面，對於一個演員來說，當你和那種水準的演員演對手戲時，你知道，他們會讓你非常非常滿意。

So they're never, there's nothing that, you always go home from work going, wow, I went to work today, you know, it's a little bit special when we, when it kicks off and it's kind of unpredictable, which I like as well, you know.

所以，他們從來沒有，沒有什麼，你下班回家總是說，哇，我今天去上班了，你知道，當我們，當它拉開序幕時，它有點特別，有點不可預知，我也喜歡，你知道。

And as a director, the most precious thing you've got to work with each day is the actor's instinct.

而作為一名導演，每天最寶貴的東西就是演員的直覺。

You don't have the script as your, as your document, you're just, you're reacting as it happens, you know, on film.

你沒有劇本作為你的文件，你只是，你在電影中做出反應。

I've received orders to execute the spies.

我收到了處決間諜的命令。

Not Chris as well?

不包括克里斯吧？

Ah, Jesus Christ, lads, he's on you for the life.

啊，上帝啊，夥計們，他在追殺你們。

Hamilton's a Swede, you could order him to leave the country.

漢密爾頓是瑞典人，你可以命令他離開瑞典。

He cost us three lives already, could have been more, it was his own choice.

他已經讓我們失去了三條人命，本來可能更多，但這是他自己的選擇。

Ah, but Chris, we can't do that, he's one of our own.

啊，但是克里斯，我們不能這麼做，他是我們自己人。

Can't go, he's a traitor.

不能走，他是個叛徒。

He does things so cleverly and so subtly and so sort of unexpectedly, but for people who've seen the film, I have to shoot this kid in this, who becomes a traitor in the film.

他把事情做得如此巧妙，如此微妙，如此出人意料，但對於看過這部電影的人來說，我必須射殺這個孩子，他在電影中成了一個叛徒。

And only like years later, I realised that during the boot camp and during all the sort of training, he would always put me with this kid, like that we would be together and we would sort of, you know, just hang out and he was, he was like 17 or something like that.

多年以後，我才意識到，在新兵訓練營和所有的訓練過程中，他總是讓我和一個孩子在一起，我們會在一起，你知道，我們會一起玩，他當時只有17歲或類似的年紀。

And he was a lovely, sweet kid and we hung out and, and we got close and then I realised that, that he, what he was subtly doing was sort of making, I don't know, I was becoming close to this kid who eventually in this story, you know, I'd have to shoot him.

他是個可愛乖巧的孩子 我們一起玩耍，關係很好 然後我意識到，他，他巧妙地在做的事情 就是讓我，我不知道，我變得和這個孩子很親近 最終在這個故事裡，你知道，我不得不殺了他

And so when, when we came to do that scene, it was, it was way more emotional and powerful than it would ever have been on like, oh, we're just doing it today because, you know, you've seen that, you've read that scene and, and hi, nice to meet you, and now I'm going to shoot you.

所以當我們拍那場戲的時候，就會覺得，那場戲比我們今天拍的更有感情，更有震撼力，因為，你已經看過了，你已經讀過了那場戲，嗨，很高興見到你，現在我要射殺你了。

It was, we were buddies, you know, and I had this sort of older brother type thing that Ken, in his wonderful way, had sort of provoked, you know, to be broken.

我們是好兄弟，你知道，我有一種哥哥式的感覺，而肯以他奇妙的方式，激起了我的這種感覺，你知道，要打破這種感覺。

You know, because you're shooting chronological, because you're, you're finding out the information as the character does, you, you, you become aware that perhaps this is, there's something happening here.

你知道，因為你是按時間順序拍攝的，因為你是，你是隨著角色發現資訊的，你，你，你會意識到，也許這是，這裡發生了什麼。

But again, it's not an intellectual thing, it's a, it's an emotional thing.

但同樣，這不是智力問題，而是情感問題。

So I guess that we were all aware that, okay, there's someone, someone has betrayed us in the column, someone, and we're all hoping against hope that it wasn't this kid, and then, and then, and then begins to sort of, the inevitability of it becomes clear.

所以我想我們都意識到，好吧，有人，有人在專欄裡背叛了我們，有人，我們都抱著一線希望，希望不是這個孩子，然後，然後，然後開始排序，它的必然性變得清晰。

It'll be, be from there round to the fruit.

從那裡繞到果實那裡。

It's the purest environment you could ever have.

這是你能擁有的最純淨的環境。

That's what all this, you know, very, very precise preparation and precise casting and is all to achieve this truth, I guess.

我想，所有這一切，你知道的，非常非常精確的準備和精確的鑄造，都是為了達到這個目的。

It fundamentally changed how I approach acting, and it's never been the same since.

它從根本上改變了我的表演方式，從此一發不可收拾。

I think you always, you have to learn from each job you do as an actor, you're constantly learning, and it's an ongoing learning process, really.

我認為，作為演員，你必須從每一份工作中學習，不斷學習，這是一個持續的學習過程，真的。

You know, there's no marks, there's no action, there's no cut.

沒有痕跡，沒有動作，沒有剪切。

It was like going on this adventure with all these people who you became very, very close to.

這就像是和所有這些你變得非常非常親近的人一起去冒險。

We had gone on this journey, which felt to us as close as it could possibly be to reality.

我們已經踏上了這段旅程，我們覺得它已經儘可能地接近現實。

So it becomes all emotion and not intellect.

是以，它變得只有情感而沒有理智。

It's all right, it's all right.

沒事的，沒事的。

I'm sorry.

對不起

It's okay.

沒關係。

I'm sorry.

對不起

It's okay.

沒關係。

It's okay.

沒關係。

Oh, Jesus Christ.

哦，上帝啊

And it was Mortis.

是莫蒂斯

So by the end, certainly for me, it didn't feel like I was performing, I was just kind of swept up in this world that we'd created and that we were invested in that felt completely authentic and real and truthful.

所以到了最後，當然對我來說，我並不覺得自己是在表演，我只是被捲入了這個我們創造的世界，我們投入其中，感覺完全真實、真實、真實。

And that was because Ken set it up that way.

這都是因為肯的安排。

What you want as an actor, or certainly what I want, is to work with people with strong visions, you know, and you can't find anybody with a stronger vision than Christopher Nolan.

作為一名演員，你想要什麼，或者說我當然想要什麼，就是與有強烈願景的人合作，你知道，你找不到比克里斯托弗-諾蘭更有強烈願景的人了。

I mean, he's written, produced and directed this thing, and it's kind of phenomenal.

我是說，他編劇、製片和導演了這部電影，而且這部電影非常出色。

And there is absolutely scope to collaborate, but you want to work with someone who is that.

絕對有合作的餘地，但你希望與這樣的人合作。

To guide you.

為您提供指導。

Yeah, or just has.

是的，或者就是有。

I mean, he knows exactly every frame of the film as he's shooting it, which is so comforting.

我的意思是，他在拍攝時對影片的每一幀都瞭如指掌，這讓我很欣慰。

Yeah.

是啊

I think the reason people re-collaborate is because you build up a shorthand.

我認為，人們之所以重新合作，是因為你建立了一種速記方法。

Sure, yeah.

當然

You build up a level of trust, and you can go straight to the work.

你們建立了一定程度的信任，就可以直接開展工作。

So hopefully there's that kind of simpatico between Chris and the people that he re-collaborates with, and it's as simple as that.

所以，希望克里斯和與他再次合作的人之間能有這種默契，就這麼簡單。

It's a real privilege to work with him every time.

每次與他合作都是一種榮幸。

I mean, there's no argument that he's one of the greatest directors around at the moment.

他是目前最偉大的導演之一，這一點毋庸置疑。

I think everyone accepts that.

我想每個人都接受這一點。

So as an actor, selfishly, you want to work with the best people, and he's definitely one of those.

是以，作為一名演員，自私地說，你希望與最好的人合作，而他絕對是其中之一。

But every relationship between a director and an actor should be collaborative.

但導演和演員之間的每一種關係都應該是合作關係。

I mean, they're the boss and they're the leader, but it has to be an exchange of ideas always.

我的意思是，他們是老闆，他們是上司，但這必須始終是一種思想交流。

Can you detach enough that when you watch yourself, you're still really emotionally moved by what you see when you watch it back?

當你觀看自己的表演時，你能否抽離到足夠的程度，讓自己在回看表演時，仍能被所看到的一切真正打動？

No.

不

No.

不

I don't know any actor that likes watching his or herself.

我不知道有哪個演員喜歡看自己的表演。

It's always quite a distressing experience.

這種經歷總是讓人相當痛苦。

But what's good about this is that there's lots of stuff that we're not in, so it's great to watch Polly's storyline or Arthur's storyline that you're not necessarily part of, so you can unclench for that period.

但這樣做的好處是，有很多事情我們都沒有參與，所以觀看波莉的故事情節或亞瑟的故事情節是一件很棒的事情，你不一定參與其中，所以你可以在那段時間放鬆一下。

Just breathe.

深呼吸

Take the paper bag away from your face before you reconnect.

在重新連接之前，把紙袋從臉上拿開。

Yeah.

是啊