Name: 英國文化協會採訪史蒂芬-克拉申（Stephen Krashen），第 2 部分，共 3 頁 (British Council Interviews Stephen Krashen part 2 of 3)
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Duration: 21 min 6 s

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Refer back to three aspects to come up with.

First of all, and this next one is so marvelous, it's so wonderful, it sets us free in terms of materials and language teaching.

首先，下一條非常了不起，它讓我們在教材和語言教學方面獲得了自由。

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It says that if you give people enough comprehensible input, all the grammar they are ready to acquire is automatically there in the input.

它說，如果你給人們足夠多的可理解的輸入，他們準備掌握的所有文法就會自動出現在輸入中。

You don't have to say, well, where is your I plus one today?

你不必說，你的 "我加一 "今天在哪裡？

Lots of comprehensible input, it's there.

大量可理解的輸入，就在那裡。

Just like the balanced diet has all the nutrition you need, all the vitamins.

就像均衡的飲食中包含了你所需要的所有營養和維生素一樣。

You don't say, well, today I need more vitamin B3, so I think I'll eat this.

你不會說，好吧，今天我需要更多的維生素 B3，所以我想我要吃這個。

No, you have lots of interesting food and all of that takes care of itself.

不，你有很多有趣的食物，所有這些都會自己解決。

I have a strong suspicion that this is absolutely true.

You can imagine, we no longer have to have targeted input.

可以想象，我們不再需要有針對性的投入。

我們不必以特定的規則為目標。

For input to work, it has to be two things, comprehensible and interesting.

輸入要發揮作用，必須具備兩點：可理解性和趣味性。

In fact, you can summarize the problem of language teaching like this.

事實上，可以這樣概括語文教學的問題。

It's very easy to give people input that's comprehensible but not interesting.

向人們提供可理解但不有趣的資訊非常容易。

It's very easy to give people input that's interesting but not comprehensible.

向人們提供有趣但無法理解的資訊非常容易。

My colleagues at the university devoted their lives to giving us input that is neither comprehensible nor interesting.

我在大學裡的同事們傾其一生，為我們提供既無法理解又毫無趣味的資訊。

我們的工作就是兩者兼顧，這很難。

I've done the easy part, me and my colleagues.

我和我的同事們已經完成了簡單的部分。

The tough part is how do you make input interesting and comprehensible?

困難的是，如何讓輸入變得有趣、易懂？

In fact, I'm going to raise the stakes higher.

事實上，我要把賭注提得更高。

不僅可以理解，而且令人信服。

So interesting you forget that it's in another language.

有趣得讓人忘了這是另一種語言。

I got interested in this from the work of a colleague of mine, a former student, Christy Lau.

我的一位同事、以前的學生克里斯蒂-劉（Christy Lau）的工作讓我對此產生了興趣。

Christy works in San Francisco and the last few years she has set up and run a very interesting program for children and it's in Mandarin.

克里斯蒂在舊金山工作，過去幾年裡，她為孩子們開設了一個非常有趣的項目，而且是用國語進行的。

It's for children who have come from China or Taiwan and are forgetting their native language and it's for American children who've been in Mandarin immersion programs.

它適用於從中國大陸或臺灣來到美國而忘記母語的兒童，也適用於參加過國語沉浸式課程的美國兒童。

It's lots of stories and books and full of read-alouds and discussions and interesting things.

這裡有很多故事和書籍，充滿了朗讀、討論和有趣的事情。

But Christy had one child, Jack, who didn't want to be in the program.

但克里斯蒂有一個孩子，名叫傑克，他不想參加這個項目。

He was eight years old and he would much rather be skateboarding, which I think that's reasonable for an eight-year-old just to be with his friends and have a good time.

他才八歲，他更願意玩滑板，我認為這對一個八歲的孩子來說是合理的，他只想和他的朋友們在一起，享受美好時光。

And no matter what Christy did, he wasn't interested.

無論克里斯蒂做什麼，他都不感興趣。

He had come with his family from China and his Mandarin was beginning to go away as his English got stronger.

他和家人一起從中國來到這裡，隨著他的英語越來越好，他的國語也開始消失了。

So the last day of school, the last day of the program, Christy said, okay, bye, thanks for trying it.

所以在學校的最後一天，也就是項目的最後一天，克里斯蒂說，好的，再見，謝謝你的嘗試。

以下是一些您可能會喜歡的書籍。

And she gave him some story books with pictures, the story of A Fan Ti, which is extremely popular in China for kids.

她還給了他一些帶圖片的故事書，是中國孩子們非常喜歡的《阿凡提》的故事。

她終於找到了他想要的那本書。

In fact, Jack got so interested in A Fan Ti, he asked his mother to read him the stories of A Fan Ti while he did the dishes.

事實上，傑克對《阿凡提》產生了濃厚的興趣，他要求媽媽在他洗碗的時候給他讀《阿凡提》的故事。

這就是它令人難以置信的吸引力。

He was never interested in Chinese, not interested in Mandarin.

他對中文從來不感興趣，對國語也不感興趣。

And as she read the stories, his Mandarin was improving.

在她讀故事的過程中，他的國語也在進步。

When they ran out of good books, it was over and his Mandarin started to degenerate again.

好書看完了，他的國語又開始退化了。

Normal people, and this does not include us, normal people in the world are not interested in language acquisition.

正常人，不包括我們，世界上的正常人都對語言習得不感興趣。

This is very similar, in fact, I think it's identical to a concept introduced by Mahali I won't spell it for you, called flow.

這與馬哈里提出的一個概念非常相似，事實上，我認為它與馬哈里提出的一個概念完全相同。

When you're in a state of flow, only the activity counts.

當你處於流動狀態時，只有活動才算數。

我在土耳其航空公司就遇到過這種情況。

You know, during dinner, I watch a movie.

你知道，吃晚飯的時候，我會看電影。

I didn't know there were all those vampires in American history.

我不知道美國曆史上還有這麼多吸血鬼。

They fought on the side of the Confederates of the South.

Two ways of making sure this happens, or encouraging it.

有兩種方法可以確保或鼓勵這種情況的發生。

My colleague, Singhee Lee, has done studies on this.

我的同事 Singhee Lee 對此進行了研究。

You compare assigned reading with self-selected reading.

將指定閱讀與自選閱讀進行比較。

Even if you try to get the best possible books, self-selected makes much more progress.

即使你想獲得儘可能好的書籍，自我選擇也會帶來更大的進步。

I don't know about you, but I have a hard time when people give me books as presents.

我不知道你是怎麼想的，但我很難接受別人送我書作為禮物。

No matter what, I never want to read them.

I'm setting you up for some more stuff later.

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英國文化協會採訪史蒂芬-克拉申（Stephen Krashen），第 2 部分，共 3 頁 (British Council Interviews Stephen Krashen part 2 of 3)

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