It's Joe from Complex.

我是 Complex 的喬。

We're in Atlanta at Alma Menyer with multi-platinum producer Metro Boomin.

我們在亞特蘭大的阿爾瑪-梅尼爾（Alma Menyer）與白金唱片製作人 Metro Boomin 在一起。

What's up, bro?

怎麼了，兄弟？

How you doing?

你好嗎？

Good.

很好。

Blessed, blessed.

有福了，有福了

Gonna do some sneaker shopping today.

今天要去買運動鞋。

Gonna see what he's feeling, what he's not, and then hopefully he's gonna buy some sneakers.

看看他有什麼感覺，沒有什麼感覺，然後希望他能買幾雙運動鞋。

We'll see.

我們拭目以待。

Maybe.

也許吧

We'll see.

我們拭目以待。

Let's go.

我們走吧

Metro, I want to start St. Louis growing up.

地鐵，我想從聖路易斯開始長大。

Right.

對

You were like seven or so when Country Grammar came out and like Nelly had the city on Smash, but like for the sneaker culture, Air Force Ones must have been a big thing for you back then.

當《鄉村文法》（Country Grammar）問世時，你大概只有七歲左右，Nelly 讓整個城市都為之瘋狂，但就運動鞋文化而言，Air Force Ones 當時對你來說一定很重要。

What was it like when like that song came out and Nelly's like influence?

當那首歌問世時，Nelly的影響是怎樣的？

I mean, Country Grammar was the first album I had, first Dirty album I had.

我的意思是，《Country Grammar》是我的第一張專輯，也是我的第一張《Dirty》專輯。

Okay.

好的

That's the first one I ever had.

這是我有過的第一個。

Then after that, Nellyville came out with the Air Force Ones, and I feel like, you know, that's something that we popularized in the game.

之後，Nellyville 推出了 Air Force Ones，我覺得，這就是我們在遊戲中普及的東西。

I'm sorry, New York.

對不起，紐約。

I know y'all feel like y'all started everything, but you started a lot, but you gotta give us that one.

我知道你們都覺得自己開創了一切，但你們開創了很多，但你們必須給我們那一個。

You produced like a bunch with Travis.

你和特拉維斯一起生產了很多東西。

Definitely.

當然。

He was wearing his shoes.

他穿著鞋子。

These 3.8 million submissions on the sneakers app.

在運動鞋應用程序上提交了 380 萬件作品。

Crazy.

瘋了

Did you guys ever talk sneakers in the studio?

你們在工作室裡聊過運動鞋嗎？

Is it fully music focused or like, did you see what he was doing early on?

是完全專注於音樂，還是說，你很早就看到了他在做什麼？

I mean, we talked about a lot of stuff, but I feel like Trav just always from day one, he was just always just trying to be tapped in and like, cause really he's a producer at heart.

我的意思是，我們聊了很多東西，但我覺得特拉夫從第一天開始就一直在努力，因為他骨子裡就是個製作人。

Like he's an artist too, but I look at him like a producer first, whether that's producing music or producing shoes or producing clothes or trying to produce shows or produce racks or furniture.

就像他也是一位藝術家，但我首先把他看作是一位製作人，無論是製作音樂、製作鞋子還是製作衣服，或者試圖製作演出、製作貨架或傢俱。

He's just one of them where that's always be.

他只是他們中的一員，永遠都是這樣。

So like where he is right now with the shoes, like it doesn't surprise me anything at all.

所以，他現在穿這雙鞋，我一點都不驚訝。

Another trip I want to talk about early on, I read, I think it was a nice kicks feature for back in the day.

我想說的另一次旅行，是我在早期讀到的，我想那是當時一個很好的踢球功能。

You go to Los Angeles, you're shopping with Travis, you go to Riff and like you got three pairs of Bapes that kind of escaped you because Pharrell was like such a big influence.

你去洛杉磯，和特拉維斯一起逛街，去 Riff，然後買了三雙 Bapes，這些都逃不過你的法眼，因為 Pharrell 對你的影響太大了。

Do you remember like that shopping trip?

你還記得那次購物之旅嗎？

I remember the first time when Travis took me, we went to Riff back in the day.

我記得特拉維斯第一次帶我去的時候，我們一起去了裡夫。

And then we just started always going back, shout out Riff LA.

然後我們就開始一直回去，大聲喊出 Riff LA。

I remember that cause I remember I had the red Supreme slides I used to always wear.

我記得，因為我記得我以前總是穿著紅色的 Supreme 拖鞋。

We went on tour, I would have those and the black ones on.

我們去巡演的時候，我就會穿上這些衣服，還有黑色的。

Man, it was cool, bro.

老兄，太酷了

Like, you know, especially from St. Louis and being here in Atlanta for so long, like

尤其是從聖路易斯來到亞特蘭大這麼長時間，就像

I ain't never really seen no shit like that to where it's like you're just walking in and it's just walls of just shit you never seen like, you know, so just blown away by that at a young age.

我從未見過那樣的東西，就像你剛走進去，就看到滿牆都是你從未見過的東西，你知道的，所以在年輕的時候就被這些東西震撼了。

It's crazy to like those stores, you know, we shoot at them sometimes, but like those stores, literally any sneaker like ever made something you can get.

喜歡那些商店真是瘋了，你知道，我們有時會去拍攝，但就像那些商店一樣，你可以買到任何運動鞋。

Whatever.

管它呢

Yeah.

是啊

Like whatever.

隨便吧

Like they going to have the price tag on it too, but they got whatever you, it don't matter what it is.

就像他們也會在上面貼上價格標籤一樣，但不管你要什麼，他們都會給你，是什麼並不重要。

Might open up another room and it's like four pair of shoes in here, like get deep.

我可能會打開另一個房間，裡面有四雙鞋，好像很深。

You're in rare music sneaker history in that you produced Facts, Kanye's diss to Nike and

你製作了《Facts》、坎耶對耐克的誹謗和《Facts》，這在音樂運動鞋歷史上是罕見的。

Jumpman, Drake and Future's Jordan theme.

Jumpman、Drake 和 Future 的喬丹主題曲。

Never thought about that.

從沒想過這個問題。

So that's, I was going to ask you, did you ever think about that?

所以，我想問你，你有沒有想過這個問題？

Like those two songs, I remember when Facts dropped and obviously Jumpman.

就像那兩首歌一樣，我還記得《事實》和《跳躍者》的發行時間。

Did you ever think of like, you know, you are the producer on those two songs that you could say rocked the sneaker world?

你有沒有想過，你是那兩首可以說震撼了運動鞋世界的歌曲的製作人？

It's crazy.

太瘋狂了

I never, ever thought about that.

我從沒想過這個問題。

Um, especially at that time in my career, like it was just so much stuff and like so many songs dropping every week.

嗯，尤其是在我職業生涯的那個時期，東西太多了，每週都有那麼多歌。

It's like, I never got to step outside of my body and be like, oh, these are shoe songs.

就好像，我從來沒有走出過自己的身體，就好像，哦，這些都是鞋子的歌。

Like they were just dropping.

就像它們剛剛掉下來一樣。

Got it.

知道了

And like, yeah, you're like thinking more so the beat, not like, oh, yeah, exactly.

就像，是的，你想的更多的是節拍，而不是 "哦，是的，沒錯"。

Okay.

好的

Just like, how's this sound?

聽起來怎麼樣？

Like, you know, really interesting.

就像，你知道，真的很有趣。

And then was there any like stories behind them that like you'd go into the studio and they're like, you know, this is going to be for this or anything like that?

然後他們背後有沒有什麼故事，比如你走進錄音室，他們會說，你知道，這將是為了這個或類似的東西？

I remember it was my, how old did I turn?

我記得那是我幾歲的時候？

I think it was like my 22nd birthday.

我想那好像是我 22 歲的生日。

Okay.

好的

And me and Drake was in the studio and, uh, just pulled up a beat and he just started like, I don't know.

我和德雷克在錄音室裡，呃，剛打了一個節拍，他就開始了，我也不知道。

It felt like it was something he kind of had on his mind type thing.

我覺得這是他的一種心事。

Sometimes it would be like that.

有時就會這樣。

Sometimes it's just like a collaborative, like what the vibe is, but, um, yeah, he just had that on his mind.

有時候，這只是一種合作，就像氛圍一樣，但是，嗯，是的，他心裡就是這麼想的。

He just went.

他就這麼走了。

Kind of like chanting.

有點像吟誦。

Gentleman.

先生們

Right.

對

Yeah.

是啊

You know what I'm saying?

你知道我在說什麼嗎？

So that's really how that one came about.

這就是那本書的來歷。

2020.

2020.

You were big on like black air force one energy.

你很喜歡黑空軍一號的能量。

I think you even tweeted in the field.

我想你甚至還在現場發過推特。

These are.

它們是

I had them on yesterday.

我昨天就戴上了。

Really?

真的嗎？

So you're still two years later, but like you even tweeted like in the field, these are my cleats.

所以，你還是兩年後，但就像你甚至在推特上說的那樣，在球場上，這是我的球鞋。

So black air force ones, you know, they kind of became a meme.

所以，黑色的 "空軍"，你知道，它們成了一種備忘錄。

And I think people were like responding, man, this is when like he doesn't trust you and things like that.

我覺得大家都在迴應，夥計，這就是他不信任你的時候，諸如此類。

Is it funny to see like that staple become like a meme for like black air force one energy?

看到這樣的主食成為黑色空軍一號能量的備忘錄，是不是很有趣？

Yeah.

是啊

It's funny.

這很有趣。

I feel like it was already like a ongoing, like joke even before then, like the whole black forces thing.

我覺得在那之前，它就已經像一個正在發生的笑話，就像整個黑勢力的事情一樣。

And you know, we always looked at like black forces, like everybody look at that, like, okay, those are the ones you don't wear, you know?

你知道，我們總是看著黑勢力，就像每個人都看著它，就像，好吧，那些是你不穿的，你知道嗎？

So I feel like that's a part of, I mean, besides the savage mode to energy.

所以我覺得，除了野蠻的能源模式，這也是其中的一部分。

Exactly.

沒錯。

That was a big thing.

這是一件大事。

It was that.

就是這樣。

Didn't he like just put the black air force ones up?

他不是剛把黑色的空軍制服掛上去了嗎？

I had put it on Instagram.

我把它放到了 Instagram 上。

Yeah.

是啊

It was just that.

就是這樣。

It was the black forces.

是黑軍。

Yeah.

是啊

So I feel like it was that.

所以我覺得就是這樣。

And just I'll feel like, oh, y'all niggas ain't wearing these for real.

我就會覺得，哦，你們這些黑鬼不會真的穿這些吧。

So I'm going to wear them like type thing.

所以我打算把它們穿起來。

Another pair of black air force ones that I saw that kind of like flew under the radar and I was like even surprised by them.

我還看到了另一雙黑色的 Air Force 鞋，這雙鞋讓我大吃一驚。

Did Virgil give you a sample of black air force ones and it said like Metro three times on them?

維吉爾是不是給了你一個黑色空軍制服的樣品，上面寫了三次 "麥德龍"？

Yeah.

是啊

Savage mode too.

還有野蠻模式。

Cause we had the whole black forces thing going on.

因為我們有整個黑勢力的事情要做。

Virgil had made me a pair and he made Savage a pair and they had like two knives on them and he had our names and stuff on them.

維吉爾給我做了一副，他給薩維奇做了一副，上面有兩把刀，他在上面寫了我們的名字和其他東西。

It's crazy.

太瘋狂了

Cause like those, I don't even know if he wore them.

因為就像那些，我甚至不知道他是否穿過。

Like I think there's only two.

我覺得只有兩個。

No, there's only two.

不，只有兩個。

He only made two of those.

他只做了兩次。

So got those at home.

所以就在家裡買了這些。

You still, oh, you have them at home?

你家裡還有嗎？

Yeah, for sure.

是的，當然。

Metro, we have to talk 2016.

地鐵，我們得談談 2016 年。

You designed like your own new balances.

你的設計就像自己的新餘額。

It was a nine nine eight.

這是一個九九八十一。

What do you remember about that project?

關於那個項目，你還記得什麼？

It was cool, man.

太酷了

Uh, especially being that young and uh, flying out there, we flew out to the factory.

特別是我們那麼年輕，還飛到了那裡，我們飛到了工廠。

Like in Boston?

比如在波士頓？

Yeah.

是啊

In Boston.

在波士頓

Okay.

好的

They gave me a tour of the factory.

他們帶我參觀了工廠。

Uh, sat with some of the design team and we just went over pallets and just built fabrics and just everything.

我們和一些設計團隊的人坐在一起，一起研究托盤，一起製作布料和其他東西。

And they, um, really let me just like do whatever and just from top to bottom.

他們真的讓我隨心所欲，從上到下。

So that was a cool process.

這個過程很酷。

Like I just like to produce and just create stuff.

就像我喜歡製作和創作一樣。

Like definitely I'm just in love with that.

我就是喜歡這樣。

So just, it was just kind of new and just, you know, it was fun.

所以，這很新鮮，也很有趣。

We're in like the high fashion section, the Dior section.

我們在高級時尚區，迪奧區。

I want to talk.

我想談談

Yeah.

是啊

I want to talk about like 2014 Lennox mall, like Mason, Martin, Margiela sneakers, that era.

我想談談 2014 年的倫諾克斯商場，比如梅森、馬丁、馬吉拉運動鞋，那個時代。

Talk about that era.

談談那個時代吧。

See, it takes you back a little.

看，它讓你回到了過去。

Talk about that era.

談談那個時代吧。

Yeah, you put me on a time capsule.

是啊，你讓我上了時間膠囊。

Yeah.

是啊

What was that like?

那是什麼感覺？

And like what you were just going to the mall, like talk about that era.

就像你剛才去商場一樣，談談那個時代。

We just go to the mall, man.

我們只是去購物中心，夥計。

Like really me and Thug, we would go to Lennox all the time and you know, just see what's new.

就像我和 Thug，我們經常去 Lennox，看看有什麼新東西。

Get stuff.

拿東西

A lot of stuff.

很多東西

We'll get the same stuff.

我們會得到同樣的東西。

Like even those Margielas, like the salmon color pair I had before and he had the same pair and we wore them together in the video back in the day, language video.

就連那雙 Margielas 鞋，比如我之前有一雙鮭魚色的，他也有一雙，我們在當年的視頻（語言視頻）中一起穿過。

That's a lot of great times, but it's a great time in life.

這是許多美好時光，但這也是人生中的美好時光。

Just like the best of times going like to a mall with your boy and just going to the mall.

就像最美好的時光一樣，和你的孩子一起逛商場。

Like just simple.

就像簡單一樣。

Like, you know?

比如，你知道嗎？

Yeah.

是啊

Well, we talked about everything.

我們無所不談。

Now's the easy part.

現在是最簡單的部分。

Browse the shelves.

瀏覽貨架。

See what you're going to take home.

看看你要帶什麼回家。

Yeah, man.

是啊

I think I, I think I might see some contenders.

我想我，我想我可能會看到一些競爭者。

All right, let's do it.

好吧，我們開始吧

Hey, welcome in.

嘿，歡迎加入。

Okay.

好的

Okay.

好的

I've been in the store before.

我以前來過這家店。

First time.

第一次

Nah, for sure.

不，是肯定的。

Nah, I've been here.

不，我一直在這裡。

Well, welcome back.

歡迎回來

Off top, we're going here.

從上面，我們要去這裡。

Yup.

是的。

Then we're going to take a stop here.

那我們就在這裡停一下。

Okay.

好的

I definitely go with the pink.

我肯定選粉色。

Okay.

好的

Vintage Young Metro, babe.

復古的年輕地鐵，寶貝。

Go with the pinks.

選擇粉紅色。

That's a good one.

說得好

I know they ain't who I think it is.

我知道他們不是我想的那種人。

True.

沒錯。

True.

沒錯。

True.

沒錯。

True.

沒錯。

True.

沒錯。

True.

沒錯。

True.

沒錯。

True.

沒錯。

True.

沒錯。

True.

沒錯。

True.

沒錯。

I know they ain't who I think it is.

我知道他們不是我想的那種人。

You never go wrong.

你永遠不會出錯。

St. Louis classic.

聖路易斯經典

Definitely need 10 and a half.

絕對需要 10 個半。

Yup, we got you.

是的，我們找到你了。

Every pair you got my size, for sure.

你的每雙鞋都有我的尺碼。

Got you.

抓住你了

Got a little freaky on the laces.

鞋帶有點怪。

Those are pretty pebbles.

這些鵝卵石真漂亮

Yeah, but this one my speed.

是的，但這是我的速度。

Yeah, I like those.

是的，我喜歡這些。

Definitely is.

絕對是。

Yeah.

是啊

That's a good thing.

這是好事。

You finding everything all right today?

今天一切都還好嗎？

Nah, for sure.

不，是肯定的。

Definitely.

當然。

All right, bet.

好吧，打賭

I got you.

我抓住你了

I got you.

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我抓住你了