Name: 埃隆-馬斯克（訪談全文） | 《比爾-馬赫實時訪談》（HBO） (Elon Musk (Full Interview) | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO))
Uploaded: 2024-09-18T08:52:30.000Z
Duration: 21 min 21 s

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My first guest is the man who made electric cars a thing and is currently working on perfecting reusable rockets, space travel, connecting the human brain directly to computers, connecting cities with electromagnetic bullet trains, the Starlink satellite system that's so important to the war in Ukraine, and then on Tuesday, he's gonna work on that tunnel thing on traffic.

我的第一位嘉賓是讓電動汽車成為現實的人，他目前正致力於完善可重複使用火箭、太空旅行、人腦與計算機的直接連接、用電磁子彈列車連接城市、對烏克蘭戰爭非常重要的星鏈衛星系統。

Elon Musk right here, do you want to know?

埃隆-馬斯克就在這裡，你想知道嗎？

Did I get the full order of things that you do in a day there when I was reading there?

我在那裡讀書的時候，你們一天所做事情的順序是否完整？

Do you work on all of them in a single day?

您會在一天內完成所有工作嗎？

Well, I'm so thrilled you're here because we do a show where we talk about what changes happen in the world, but we just talk.

我很高興你能來，因為在我們的節目中，我們談論世界上發生的變化，但我們只是談論。

There's very few people who actually make change happen.

真正能實現變革的人少之又少。

And you seem to laugh it off, which I think is fantastic.

而你似乎一笑置之，我覺得這真是太棒了。

I love it that you have a sense of humor because a guy as important as you who makes changes, could use your powers for evil and not good.

我喜歡你的幽默感，因為像你這麼重要的人，能做出改變的人，可能會利用你的能力為惡，而不是為善。

Of course, I would never use them for evil.

當然，我絕不會用它們來做壞事。

No, I know, but the way I know that is because you have a sense of humor.

不，我知道，但我之所以知道，是因為你有幽默感。

As opposed to somebody like Zuckerberg who I'm not even sure is a real boy.

而扎克伯格這樣的人，我甚至不確定他是不是一個真正的男孩。

I actually love comedy and I should let you know, like many years ago,

我其實很喜歡喜劇，我應該讓你知道，就像很多年前一樣、

I actually was in the audience here and watched your show.

實際上，我當時就在觀眾席上，觀看了你的表演。

So I've been a long time admirer of your show.

讓我回到你是天才的話題上來。

Okay, so, but that has always been my view is that, I was a history major, and when you study history, what you realize is that, you know, there's the great man theory and they talk about kings and princes and queens and presidents.

好吧，但我一直認為，我主修歷史，當你學習歷史時，你會意識到，你知道，有一種偉人理論，他們談論國王、王子、王后和總統。

It's really the people in tech who change the world.

They're the people who deal the cards, whether it's fire or electricity for good or bad, or the cotton gin or the iPhone or the atom bomb.

他們是發牌的人，不管是好是壞的火或電，還是軋棉機、iPhone 或原子彈。

Those are the cards and the rest of us just play it.

這些都是牌，我們其他人只是玩牌。

I think technology is the thing that causes these big step changes in civilization.

我認為技術是導致文明發生巨大變化的原因。

So obviously you've got things like, say, the Gutenberg Press, before which it was very difficult to get books.

很顯然，你已經有了像古騰堡印刷機這樣的東西，在此之前，要想獲得書籍是非常困難的。

Even if you had a thirst for knowledge, you really couldn't do anything about it because there were very few books to read.

即使你求知若渴，你也真的無能為力，因為可供閱讀的書籍少之又少。

So, and the internet is something beyond the Gutenberg Press, I think, but, you know, it's a...

所以，互聯網是超越古騰堡印刷術的東西，我想，但是，你知道，這是一個...

When I first saw the internet coming into being in a way that the general public could use it, it felt like the humanity as a whole was developing a nervous system.

當我第一次看到互聯網以一種普通大眾都能使用的方式出現時，我感覺整個人類都在發展神經系統。

So previously, the way that information would travel would be by osmosis, one person to another, or one person calling another.

是以，以前資訊傳播的方式是滲透，一個人傳給另一個人，或者一個人打電話給另一個人。

But the access to information was very limited.

Now with the internet, it's like having a nervous system.

現在有了互聯網，就像有了神經系統。

It's like any part of humanity has access to almost all the information of humanity.

就好像人類的任何一部分都能獲取人類幾乎所有的資訊。

Like you could be in the middle of the Amazon jungle with, say, a Starlink terminal and have access to more information than the president did in 1980.

比如說，你可以在亞馬遜叢林中使用星聯終端，獲得比 1980 年的總統更多的資訊。

Okay, so you are one of these dealers, these people who deal the cards in civilization.

好吧，那麼你就是這些發牌員中的一員，這些在文明社會中發牌的人。

So I think a lot of people thought when you bought Twitter that this is kind of an outlier, like how does this, what doesn't fit with these other things you're doing?

是以，我認為當你收購 Twitter 時，很多人都認為這有點離群索居，比如這和你正在做的其他事情有什麼不符？

Because I think you're dealing with big civilizational issues and problems, and I was right on your page.

因為我認為你們正在處理重大的文明問題和難題，而我就在你們的頁面上。

I mean, you have talked about this woke mind virus.

我的意思是，你已經談到了這種被喚醒的 "心靈病毒"。

You should explain why you don't think it's hyperbole to say things like it's pushing civilization towards suicide.

你應該解釋一下，為什麼你不認為 "這是把文明推向自殺 "這種說法是誇大其詞。

First of all, what is the woke mind virus?

And if we don't deal with this, nothing else can get done.

如果我們不解決這個問題，其他事情就無從談起。

I think we need to be very cautious about anything that is anti-meritocratic, and anything that results in the suppression of free speech.

我認為，我們需要非常謹慎地對待任何反民主的東西，以及任何導致壓制言論自由的東西。

So those are two of the aspects of the woke mind virus that I think are very dangerous, is that it's often anti-meritocratic.

是以，我認為 "清醒頭腦病毒 "的兩個方面非常危險，那就是它通常是反精英的。

So another way to, almost anonymous, would be cancel culture.

是以，另一種近乎匿名的方式就是取消文化。

And obviously people have tried to cancel you many times.

顯然，人們也曾多次試圖取消你們。

And it's interesting, people, you and I are both like in that little group of people, maybe it's a bigger group now, who are called conservative, who haven't really changed.

有趣的是，你和我都是那一小撮人中的一員，也許現在是更大的一群，他們被稱為保守派，他們並沒有真正改變。

I at least think of myself as a moderate, you know?

我至少認為自己是個溫和派，你知道嗎？

所以，我的意思是，至少喜歡、

I've spent a massive amount of my life building energy, building sustainable energy, you know, electric vehicles and batteries and solar and stuff to help save the environment.

我一生都在建設能源，建設可持續能源，你知道的，電動汽車、電池、太陽能等等，以幫助拯救環境。

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