I am very excited because one of my favorite singer songwriters musicians is here in the vinyl pad from the UK

我非常激動，因為我最喜歡的一位創作型歌手音樂家從英國帶著黑膠墊來到了這裡

Jacob aka Puma blue. Thank you so much for coming

雅各布，又名彪馬藍。非常感謝你們的到來

Did you approach this any differently than your debut? Yeah, hugely. Okay, the first one was almost about like

你的創作方法與你的處女作有什麼不同嗎？是的，大不相同。好吧，第一部幾乎就像

Getting away from what I'd been doing on the EPS a little bit and trying to show a different side, but it was still this kind of idea of I

雖然我在 EPS 上的表現稍有改觀，並試圖展示不同的一面，但這仍然是一種 "我 "的想法。

Wanted to kind of make like a headphone. Listen, like a

我想做一個耳機。聽，就像一個

Intimate project. Yeah, and then I ended up writing it largely before the pandemic but recording and producing a lot of it in the pandemic, so I think something I really missed was live shows and yeah, I feel like my favorite thing about

親密項目。是的，最後我主要是在大流行病之前寫的，但大部分都是在大流行病期間錄製和製作的，所以我覺得我真正錯過的是現場表演。

This project is playing with the guys in the band

該項目是與樂隊成員一起演奏

So for this one, it was more about taking it out of the laptop and into the studio a bit so I wrote a bunch of

是以，對於這首歌，我更多地是想把它從筆記本電腦中拿出來，放到錄音室裡去，所以我寫了一大堆歌。

Songs and recorded demos for them rather than finishing them and actually took it to the band and now that's great

歌曲，併為他們錄製了小樣，而不是完成它們，實際上是把它拿給樂隊，現在這很好

It was cool

很酷

It was like the first time we've ever been so involved with each other in at that point in the process

這好像是我們第一次在這個過程中如此投入地相互交流

So like we would rearrange some of my demos together or like writing completely new songs out like jams and oh, that's amazing

是以，我們會把我的一些小樣重新編排在一起，或者寫出全新的歌曲，就像演奏一樣，哦，太棒了

So like maybe a third of the songs were like written

所以，可能有三分之一的歌曲是寫出來的。

Between the four of us or the five of us because my friend Luke was there as well. So yeah, it's a lot more live

我們四個人或者五個人，因為我的朋友盧克也在現場。所以是的，現場感更強了

It's a lot more collaborative. I feel like the energy was very different. I mean

合作性更強了。我覺得能量非常不同。我是說

First of all, it made me it's like less self-conscious of this album because oh

首先，它讓我對這張專輯不再那麼自卑，因為哦

It's not just a reflection of of me. Yeah, it's like a family

這不僅僅是我的寫照。是的，它就像一個家庭

Photograph. So even if I'm pulling a weird face, I'm like, oh, I love this photo of like us. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense

照片所以，即使我做著奇怪的表情，我也會說，哦，我喜歡這張像我們一樣的照片。是啊，有道理是啊，有道理

And I love the fact that this this is included. Yeah, I wanted to like yeah open the book

我喜歡這本書的內容。是的，我想打開這本書

Yeah, and just feel kind of transported to I don't know the process and ever everyone was just so important

是啊，感覺就像穿越到了我不知道的過程，每個人都是那麼重要

Yeah

是的

I kind of wanted to honor that but also there was this like bouncing off of each other thing that is what I wanted to capture because that's what happens live like

我想表達這種敬意，但同時也想捕捉到這種相互碰撞的感覺，因為這就是現場的真實寫照。

These songs exist and and we keep the structures largely the same

這些歌曲已經存在，而且我們保持了大致相同的結構

But I've always encouraged the band to like really improvise and express themselves live

但我一直鼓勵樂隊在現場即興發揮，展現自我。

Yeah, but obviously that that isn't allowed to happen when

是的，但很明顯，在下列情況下是不允許發生的

I've just like made a beat and finish the song on my computer and like that's it

我只是做了一個節拍，然後在電腦上完成歌曲，就這樣

So right this was cool because a lot of the moments that are my favorite moments just happened

這很酷，因為很多我最喜歡的時刻就這樣發生了

Spontaneously like just the chemistry in the room or whatever. So

就像房間裡的化學反應一樣。所以

Yeah, I mean, I know I'm just describing

是的，我是說，我知道我只是在描述

Like how a lot of albums are made, but it was just new

就像很多專輯的製作方式一樣，但它只是新的

Yeah, I just hadn't made music that way strangely before right because like if we even go back to some of your earlier stuff

是啊，我只是以前沒這麼奇怪地做過音樂，因為如果我們回溯到你早期的一些作品的話

I mean, it's just it's just you and your computer. Yeah, which is funny because I don't know

我的意思是，它只是 它只是你和你的電腦。是啊，這很有趣，因為我不知道

I mean, we're just not a band, you know, and we we are and now more than ever a band, but

我的意思是，我們不是一個樂隊，你知道，我們是，而且現在比以往任何時候都更像一個樂隊，但

That's that's not been the approach. It's been this kind of like solo artist thing. Yeah, so

這不是我們的做法。它一直都是這種類似於個人藝術家的東西。是啊，所以

Yeah, this was just the first record where I really embraced the fact that we kind of are a band a little bit and I

是的，這是第一張唱片，在這張唱片中，我真正接受了我們是一個樂隊的事實。

Yeah, I'm so proud of it because it's like all of their magic as well as my contributions so I can kind of just listen and be like

是的，我為它感到驕傲，因為它既有他們的魔力，也有我的貢獻，所以我可以邊聽邊想

Enjoying their playing. Yeah, rather than cringing at my own

享受他們的演奏。是啊，而不是對自己的

It's not all on you. Yeah, exactly

不全是你的錯沒錯

Darkside was a huge influence on this record

Darkside 對這張唱片影響巨大

And it kind of interesting always been an important album to me because it's like

這張有趣的專輯對我來說一直很重要，因為它就像

One of the first albums I like had on my mp3 player that my dad like showed me

我喜歡的第一張專輯之一，是我爸爸給我看的 MP3 播放器上的專輯

Age six or seven. Wow, but um, so you are you were a cool kid, man

六七歲哇，但你是個很酷的孩子，夥計

I don't know. I was honestly not a cool kid, but I we had good taste. I loved music

我不知道老實說，我並不是一個很酷的孩子，但我很有品味。我喜歡音樂

Yeah, you know, I really did love music

是的，你知道，我真的熱愛音樂

But it was cool coming back to it

但回到這裡感覺很酷

More recently and I don't know there was there's something about the feeling of that album and like the

最近，我不知道那張專輯的感覺是什麼，就像"......"。

The color of it. Mm-hmm that I wanted to emulate on on this a bit

它的顏色嗯哼，我想在這上面模仿一下

I

I

Like the way it flowed seamlessly. I did that nowhere near as

喜歡它天衣無縫的方式。我做的遠不及

Geniusly, if that's a word as they did it's not as thought through perhaps

如果用 "天才 "這個詞來形容的話，也許他們做得不夠周全。

But that was just a conscious decision to have it kind of flowing

但這只是一個有意識的決定，讓它有種流動的感覺。

Honestly, um that song

說實話，那首歌

Us and them was like pretty much the reason there's sax and pink blue

我們 "和 "他們 "就像是 "薩克斯 "和 "粉藍 "出現的原因。

Yeah, oh my goodness

是啊，我的天哪

But yeah that that was a big it was a big one some of the backing vocals. Mm-hmm. I was listening to yeah

是的，那是個大問題 一些伴唱也是個大問題嗯哼我在聽

Yeah, I love you and it feels like it was more of that on here. Yeah, I feel like I was trying to

是的，我愛你，感覺在這裡更像這樣。是的，我覺得我想

Use my voice as a more important instrument on this record than the last one

在這張唱片中，我的聲音比上一張更重要

I was kind of burying my voice on the last one. Mm-hmm. And this time I was like leaning into the vocal diva thing a bit more

最後一句我嗓子都啞了嗯哼而這次我更像聲樂天后了

Just letting it all kind of hang out. And yeah, it was fun to sing. I'd I like really expressed myself and

只是讓這一切有點懸。是的，唱歌很有趣。我喜歡真正地表達自己

Some of the vocal arrangements. I like spent a lot of time on

一些聲樂編曲。我喜歡花很多時間在

And

還有

Yeah, I'm proud of it. I get a real strong feeling from your music just in total like obviously there's certain songs that like

是的，我很自豪。我從你的音樂中感受到了一種很強烈的感覺，很明顯，有些歌曲就像

Especially on this I think it's a second song but there's like a quiet confidence but also like a melancholy but like more of like

特別是這首歌，我認為它是第二首歌，但有一種安靜的自信，也有一種憂鬱，但更多的是像

Remembering sweet moments in life versus like super sad if that me. I mean, that's what I'm getting

回憶生活中的甜蜜時刻，如果是我的話，就像超級悲傷。我的意思是，這就是我的收穫

I love I think music's so powerful because everyone kind of interprets it. Yeah on their own, right?

我愛音樂，我認為音樂之所以如此強大 是因為每個人都能詮釋它是的，每個人都有自己的詮釋，對嗎？

and

和

You can get help, you know, you can like research what the artist meant by it or you can ask your friends or whoever like

你可以尋求幫助，你知道，你可以研究一下藝術家的意思，或者你可以問問你的朋友或其他人。

What what their

他們的

Takeaway was and you can kind of analyze it

外賣是，你可以分析一下

But I think the most beautiful part is that you often come away with your own understanding. So

但我認為，最美妙的部分在於，你往往能從中獲得自己的理解。所以

I'm trying to explain myself like less and less honestly, but yeah people get their own meaning and and feelings from it and which is

我越來越不願意誠實地解釋自己，但人們會從中獲得自己的意義和感受，這就是我的工作。

Really beautiful. I mean, I think yeah, I think it's a push not a push and pull, but I think it's a little bit of

真的很美我的意思是，我認為是的，我認為這是一種推動，而不是推拉，但我認為這是一種小小的

You created it and now and now it's theirs right a little bit and like obviously

是你創造了它，現在它有了一點屬於他們的權利，很明顯，就像

You steer the conversation with what you wrote and with the lyrics

你用自己寫的東西和歌詞引導話題

Because like it's always a funny thing like so many people think every breath you take right is romantic. Yeah, but then it's like well

因為這是件很有趣的事 很多人覺得你的每一次呼吸都很浪漫是啊，但又覺得

And also I was just talking about weird

我剛才還在說奇怪的事

Yeah, and then the shape of your heart or shape of my heart or whatever another stinks like that

是啊，然後你的心的形狀或我的心的形狀或其他什麼的，就像那樣臭臭的

I love that too. That too is not like I was actually thinking of that song

我也喜歡這首歌。這也不像是我真的在想那首歌

Oh, really when I was writing the last track on this album

哦，真的，當我在寫這張專輯的最後一首曲子時

I just and that's the other thing to like the incorporation of

我只是，這也是我喜歡將

Just the blending the blending of your music is thank you. That's really sweet. I

謝謝你把音樂融合在一起。真貼心I

Mean I and two guys in the band. Yeah, we just listened to

就是我和樂隊裡的兩個人。是的，我們只是聽了

So much stuff. Yeah, and

這麼多東西是啊，還有

A lot of it doesn't really sound

很多內容聽起來並不

You know, you wouldn't think

你知道，你不會認為

Based on the music that we put out that that's what we listen to some of it you might

根據我們發佈的音樂，我們會聽其中的一些，你可能會說

Write a little black Sabbath a little honestly. Yeah

寫一點黑色安息日，誠實一點。是的

Like burial is like a huge one for me and I love burial. Yeah, I think that's coming out more and more

對我來說，"埋葬 "是一個大問題，我喜歡 "埋葬"。是啊，我覺得這首歌越來越多了

Yes wearing it on my sleeve. But yeah, I think I think I've always wanted to make music. It was just kind of an amalgamation of my favorite music and

是的，我把它穿在袖子上。是的，我想我一直都想做音樂。這只是我最喜歡的音樂與

Yeah, actually the better I get writing and the more I'm able to access

是的，事實上，我寫得越好，就越能獲得

Authenticity. Oh, yeah, the less I'm able to even hold back from

真實。哦，是的，我越是無法剋制自己

My influence is kind of coming out. So

我的影響力正在逐漸顯現。所以

Even even in places where I'm like, you know

即使在我喜歡的地方，你知道

Like in the song epitaph. Mm-hmm. I was like singing this vocal melody before I had the lyrics I thought this is reminding me of

就像那首歌裡的墓誌銘嗯哼我在唱這首歌的旋律之前就想好了歌詞 我想這讓我想起了

Anthony Kiedis

安東尼-基迪斯

But I was like, there's nothing I can do about that

但我想，我對此無能為力

I just did I just grew up on Chili's and they mean so much to me

我就是這麼做的，我就是吃著 Chili's 長大的，它們對我來說太重要了

Even if that's like not what you would pair in your mind necessarily with my music

即使這與你心目中的我的音樂格格不入

Yeah, I was like, I'm just gonna like lean into this because that's beautiful. That is like very true to me

是啊，我當時就想，我一定要投入進去，因為這太美了。這對我來說很真實

You know way, you know, you like being out in Atlanta. I love that area you do. Yeah, I mean like

你知道的，你喜歡在亞特蘭大。我喜歡那個地方是啊，我的意思是像

Yeah. Wow. Wow, you've really just thought of everything

是啊哇哇，你真是什麼都想到了

Yeah, I got I immediately saw the Jeff yeah, I saw

是的，我一眼就看到了傑夫 是的，我看到了

Julie London Donnie and I love Julie. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I she was a good find because at the time I was very influenced by

朱莉-倫敦-唐尼 我愛朱莉是啊 是啊 Yeah.Yeah. - Yeah.嗯，我她是一個很好的發現 因為當時我非常影響

Jazz singers. Yeah

爵士歌手是的

But I was more listening to people like Billy and oh, right, right, you know, first of all, she's just got an incredible

但我更多地是在聽比利這樣的人說，哦，對，對，你知道，首先，她有一個令人難以置信的

Vocal like full stop, but she also has this raspiness that I don't have really at all

她的嗓音很好聽，但她也有我完全沒有的沙啞感

I don't know like Billy was really inspiring, but I think finding Julie was encouraging because she has such a like

我不知道比利是否真的給了我靈感，但我覺得找到朱莉是件令人鼓舞的事，因為她有這樣一種氣質。

Soft little voice. Yeah, that is mostly projected with the microphone

輕柔的聲音是的，這主要是用麥克風投射出來的

Whereas Billy sounds like she could just sing. Yeah in a dry room and it would sound like perfect

而比利聽起來就像是在唱歌。是的，在一個乾燥的房間裡，聽起來會很完美

So, yeah, she was really inspiring

所以，是的，她真的很鼓舞人心

Just like a smoky quality. Yeah, it's beautiful

就像煙燻的品質。是的，很美

I think it's awesome that your your tastes are so varied

我覺得你們的口味如此多樣，真是太棒了

You wouldn't think the style that comes out of those records you're influenced by these other bands

你不會認為這些唱片的風格會受到其他樂隊的影響吧？

But I like that because that keeps it from getting to like specific or to like derivative of some. Yeah

但我喜歡這樣，因為這樣就不會讓它變得太具體，也不會讓它成為某些人的衍生品。是的

You know what? I mean the more you listen to you the more that you're gonna subconsciously channel and

你知道嗎？我的意思是你聽得越多 你就會下意識地引導和

Yeah, I think I think it just adds more to the palette and like you said it it's less derivative that way

是啊，我覺得這樣可以增加調色板的色彩，而且就像你說的，這樣就不會有太多衍生品了。

Yeah, just listen to like

是啊，就聽

One band, you know, and then you're gonna sound like that band because that's all the information you have

一個樂隊，你知道，然後你會聽起來像那個樂隊，因為這就是你擁有的所有資訊

You've dipped into classical as well. Like you enjoy love classical music. Yeah. Yeah my parents of they were like more they had better knowledge of classical music than

你也涉足過古典音樂。就像你喜歡古典音樂一樣。喜歡我父母對古典音樂的瞭解比我多

Anyone I kind of knew growing up and I

我在成長過程中認識的任何人，我

Wasn't really interested

不太感興趣

For a long time. I just didn't it just didn't speak to me and

很長一段時間我就是不喜歡它，我就是不喜歡它。

Then maybe when I was like 14 15, I found a few pieces that really spoke to me. I think it was like rock man enough and like Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata and

也許是在我 14-15 歲的時候，我找到了幾首對我很有啟發的曲子。我覺得那就是搖滾男聲，還有貝多芬的《月光奏鳴曲》和

Some of the more like famous stuff. Yeah, and I realized there was

一些比較有名的東西是的，我意識到

Something worth exploring

值得探索的東西

Obviously, but I just didn't know that and now I'm

很明顯，但我並不知道，現在我

You know a geek. I love like scrabin and Ravel and

你知道我是個怪胎。我喜歡 Scrabin、Ravel 和

Shostakovich and

肖斯塔科維奇和

Yeah, there's a there's so much great stuff that I wasn't aware of. I still love rock man enough as well

是啊，有太多我不知道的好東西了。我仍然熱愛搖滾樂

Yeah, I feel like a lot of it is present in the music in some way

是的，我覺得很多東西都以某種方式存在於音樂中

Even if it's just the emotions or like sense of harmony that I'm hearing I try and

即使我聽到的只是情緒或和諧感，我也會嘗試

Emulate that but it's it's so hard. I mean, I'm not classically trained

但這太難了。我的意思是，我沒有受過古典音樂訓練

Yeah, probably never will be we'll see. I was gonna ask actually have you thought about perhaps given the opportunity?

是的，也許永遠不會，我們走著瞧。我想問的是，如果有機會，你有沒有想過？

To score a film. Yeah, it's it's been a lifelong ambition to be honest amazing

為電影配樂是啊，老實說這是我畢生的抱負，令人驚歎

Film is pretty much the next thing

電影是下一個目標

Aside from music that I care the most about and I you know

除了我最關心的音樂，我還知道

I've made little short films and oh no, I would love to be on that side of it. Honestly, like writing a screenplay or directing something

我拍過一些小短片，哦，不，我很想做這方面的工作。老實說，比如寫劇本或導演什麼的

But honestly even the opportunity to score a film or God even if I was just

但老實說，即使有機會為一部電影或上帝配樂，哪怕我只是

Being given the role of like music supervisor right and like picking the tracks

被委以音樂總監的重任，負責挑選曲目

Yeah that like already exist I think I'd have so much fun and right put so much like love into it so yeah, I'm really just um waiting for a good opportunity to

是啊，就像已經存在，我想我會有這麼多的樂趣和權利把這麼多喜歡它，所以是的，我真的只是嗯等待一個好機會

To do that and hopefully one will come and if not, I believe just you know, make it happen for myself. Yeah

如果沒有，我相信你知道，我自己也能做到。是的

But yeah God doing a film school would be amazing

但是，如果能開辦一所電影學校，那就太棒了。

It's it'd be a cool opportunity to do something that you know, it doesn't really sound like myself at all it wouldn't be thinking about like my

這將是一個很酷的機會，做一些你知道的、聽起來一點也不像我自己的事情，不會像我的想法那樣

Artistic identity I'd just be like serving the film right?

我的藝術身份只是為電影服務，對嗎？

So that would be a cool challenge your name

這將是一個很酷的挑戰，你的名字

Where what's the origin of that? I was just going by Jacob Allen for a while

這個名字的由來是什麼？我有段時間一直叫雅各布-艾倫

You know just using my name to play shows and

你知道的，只是用我的名字去演出和

Back when I was like

當我還像

Being put on like random bills with other people

與其他人一起被裝在隨意的鈔票上

Showcase type game, right? Right, right. I was kind of getting put on with a lot of like acoustic pop stuff I think because I was just using

展示型遊戲，對吧？沒錯我被很多類似原聲流行樂的東西迷住了 我想是因為我只是在用

My name and I didn't have any music out probably

我和我的名字可能沒有任何音樂了

Sounded like oh, it's another like folky poppy singer-songwriter type. Gotcha. Okay, so

聽起來哦，這又是一個類似民謠流行歌手的類型。知道了好吧

I wanted a name I think because I wanted

我想要一個名字，我想是因為我想

People to picture something else

讓人們想象其他事物

Not a band but like

不是一個樂隊，但喜歡

Some kind of artist project. I suppose there were a few people that were like using like aliases

某種藝術家項目。我想有一些人就像用了化名一樣

Like flying Lotus. I was just like yeah, that's a that's a good choice for that project so

就像會飛的蓮花。我當時就想，是啊，這對這個項目來說是個不錯的選擇。

The inspiration was like Delta Blues musicians like oh, yeah

靈感來自三角洲藍調音樂家，比如哦，是的

I love this like double-barreled superhero name thing

我喜歡這個雙管齊下的超級英雄名字

Because it sounded like it could almost be their real name in some kind of mythical

因為這聽起來幾乎可以成為他們在某種神話中的真名。

Way muddy waters or like Howlin' Wolf

渾水摸魚或像 "狼嚎 "一樣

Lead belly I was like and I want a name

我想要一個名字

That sort of is in tribute to

這算是對

That sort of is in tribute to these guys because they kind of like invented what I've

這算是對這些人的致敬，因為他們發明了我所

You know way down the line. What what I'm doing in a way

你知道的我在做什麼

So that was the initial inspiration I was just trying to think in my myth, like what would my name be and I

這就是我最初的靈感來源，我只是試圖用我的神話來思考，比如我的名字會是什麼，我

Think I had blue written down on a on a

我想我把藍色寫在了一張紙上。

Piece of paper like a hundred times and I was just writing other words next to it

在一張紙上寫了上百次，我只是在旁邊寫上其他的字

Yeah, and nothing really fit or made me feel anything so I was gonna move on and then

是的，沒有什麼真正適合或讓我有感覺的東西，所以我打算繼續前進，然後

One day, I think I was watching a nature documentary and it could have even been a David Assembly one

有一天，我想我在看一部自然紀錄片，甚至可能是大衛-艾斯丁的紀錄片

Someone in the voiceover was describing a puma. Yeah, it's just like sleek blonde

畫外音裡有人在描述美洲獅。是的，它就像光滑的金髮女郎

Mysterious thing and I was like, that's like what I am trying to do. Yeah emulate if blue is the kind of like dark