Warriors is a very long-running series of kids books about groups of feral cats that are constantly at war with each other.

《貓戰士》是一套很長的兒童讀物系列，講述了一群野貓之間不斷發生戰爭的故事。

And they fight each other whenever their territory or livelihood is at stake.

每當領地或生計受到威脅時，它們就會互相廝殺。

But I think the most thing that people remember is the forbidden romances.

但我認為，人們印象最深的還是那些禁忌之戀。 (例如:跨族婚姻、巫醫貓有小孩......等等)

There's lots of cats and non-cat related drama going on.

有很多貓和與貓無關的戲劇正在上演。

They're really fun to read when I was younger and they've grown a huge audience since they've come out.

這些書在我年輕的時候讀起來非常有趣，自從它們問世以來，已經擁有了大量的讀者。

For a lot of people, it became just an easy outline for their own stories and their own ideas.

對很多人來說，這只是一個簡單的故事大綱和想法。

That's why I think it became a hit.

這就是我認為它能大受歡迎的原因。

I think that there's a reason that certain scenes from Warriors show up a lot in the fan animation community.

我認為，《貓戰士》中的某些場景經常出現在粉絲動畫社群是有原因的。

Like, I don't know, for example, the Ashfur fire scene, the battle with Bloodclan, Tiger Star's death, Hawkrust versus Brambleclaw, the way those scenes are described in the books really paints a vivid picture in your head.

我不知道，比如說，像灰毛在火場的場景、與血族的戰鬥、虎星之死、鷹霜(字幕錯誤 應該是Hawkfrost)對棘爪，書中對這些場景的描述真的在你腦海中勾勒出了一幅幅生動的畫面。

And I think there's something really cool about how everyone in the community would reach different conclusions about how the scenes would look.

我認為，社群中的每個人都會對場景的外觀得出不同的結論，這一點真的很酷。

They were animated, but there was also a similarity there as well.

它們都很生動，但也有相似之處。

And I think just really the books get people's imaginations going.

我覺得這些書真的能激發人們的想象力。

My friend would show me YouTube videos.

我的朋友會給我看 YouTube 影片。

We both liked Warrior Cats and she showed me the SSS Warrior Cat opening.

我們都喜歡 "貓戰士"，她給我看了 "SSS 貓戰士 " 的開頭。 註: SSS貓戰士開頭曲(英文版) - https://tw.voicetube.com/videos/181792

That's how we got introduced.

我們就是這樣認識的。

And then we also watched Alley Cat Nya's videos, which was one of the first people on YouTube that really started the Warrior Cat animation community.

然後，我們還觀看了 Allikatnya (字幕錯誤 應為Allikatnya) 的影片，她是 YouTube 上最早的人之一，真正開創了貓戰士動畫社群。

Dare I say, they were the person that started the animation community.

我敢說，他們是動畫界的開創者。

I remember just going like, oh, we could do this.

我記得當時就想，哦，我們可以這樣做。

Thirteen years old.

十三歲。

Oh, I could do this.

哦，我可以做到這一點。

There wasn't really a Warrior Cats animation community when I started.

我剛入行時，還沒有一個真正的貓戰士動畫社群。

In 2007, the only Warriors videos that I could find on YouTube were slideshows mostly.

2007 年，我能在 YouTube 上找到的貓戰士影片大多是幻燈片。

I was always frustrated that there wasn't a Warriors cartoon as a kid, so I decided to try making my own.

我小時候一直為沒有貓戰士的卡通片而苦惱，所以我決定嘗試自己製作一部。

I honestly didn't expect that anyone else would watch it because YouTube was a really small place at the time and getting a thousand views then felt like getting a million views now.

老實說，我沒想到會有其他人看，因為當時的 YouTube 真的很小，當時獲得一千次瀏覽就像現在獲得一百萬次瀏覽一樣。

So, well, I still kind of get a little rush anytime I see someone mention my old Warriors videos.

所以，每當我看到有人提到我以前的《貓戰士》視頻時，我還是會有點激動。

I think it's really funny that people talk about them more than a decade later, even if it's like usually kind of joking.

我覺得十多年後人們還在談論它們真的很有趣，即使通常只是開玩笑。

All right, here's the big question.

好吧，這是個大問題。

What are maps?

什麼是MAPs？ （註: 很多Voicetube AI翻成"地圖"的東西。 例如: https://tw.voicetube.com/videos/181459 、https://tw.voicetube.com/videos/181468 ）

What are they indeed?

它們到底是什麼？

It stands for multi-animated project or multiple animated project.

它代表多動畫師項目。 (字幕錯誤 應該是 multi-animator project or multiple animator project.)

Maps aren't unique to the Warrior Cats fandom, but I do think that they started with Warrior Cats animators.

多動畫師項目並不是《貓戰士》粉絲所獨有的，但我確實認為它們始於《貓戰士》的動畫師。

Well, it takes a lot of time to do a music video by yourself.

一個人做音樂錄影帶需要很多時間。

So why don't we just cut it up into seconds, the music, and split it up as parts and then ask people to animate one part of the music video.

所以，我們何不把音樂剪輯成幾秒鐘的片段，抽成幾個部分，然後請人制作一段音樂錄影帶的動畫。

So you're only animating about six seconds or seven seconds instead of three and a half minutes.

所以你只需要六秒或七秒的動畫時間，而不是三分半鐘。

Maps are super varied and can be a lot of things.

多動畫師項目種類繁多，可以是很多東西。

And, you know, there are pros and cons to each type of map and lots of differing opinions on which one is like the most pure map, you know.

要知道，每種類型的多動畫師項目都各有利弊，對於哪種多動畫師項目最純粹也是眾說紛紜。

And I'll say that I've made a few maps, but not since 2015.

我想說的是，我製作過幾個多動畫師項目，但不是自 2015 年以來。

I think that Little Fang, which was a map that I did with my friend St.

我覺得 Little Fang 是我和朋友製作的

Gosis, who did the character designs, was the first one to have a character design sheet that had animators follow a set style for the project.

負責角色設計的朋友戈西斯是第一個擁有角色設計表的人，他讓動畫師們遵循項目的固定風格。

We actually got a lot of backlash for that at the time, which shows how much the map community has changed since then.

實際上，當時我們的做法遭到了很多人的反對，這說明多動畫師項目社群從那時起已經發生了很大的變化。

I think I see a lot of people now using set character designs, palettes and art styles for their projects.

我想我看到很多人現在都在自己的項目中使用固定的角色設計、調色板和藝術風格。

But at the time, people told us that we were like stifling creativity and that we were expecting too much of amateurs and that, you know, we were taking the community in a bad direction.

但當時有人說我們扼殺了創造力，對業餘愛好者期望過高，把社群帶向了不好的方向。

Yeah, I don't think that that's how people think about that anymore.

是啊，我覺得人們不再這麼想了。

But that's how it was at the time.

但當時的情況就是這樣。

I think loads of people have started animating because they wanted to get involved.

我認為很多人開始製作動畫是因為他們想參與其中。

So it's encouraged lots of people to create and stuff as well, which I think is amazing.

是以，它也鼓勵了很多人進行創作，我認為這很了不起。

There's such a push to get you to create, like if you just rely on yourself like, oh, I want to do this this weekend, it's so easy to be like, oh, no, I don't want to do that anymore.

如果你只是依靠自己，比如 "哦，我想在這個週末做這件事"，就很容易 "哦，不，我不想再做了"。

I'm going to do it like next week, next week.

我打算下週再做，下週再做。

And it just goes on and on.

就這樣沒完沒了。

Whereas maps is like you're part of this team, you have someone who's relying on you for content.

而多動畫師項目就像你是這個團隊的一部分，你有一個依賴你提供內容的人。

So it's like it's a great way to make something small that doesn't take like months and months and months of work.

是以，這就像一個偉大的方式，使一些小的東西，不需要像幾個月和幾個月的工作。

But also you've got that kick there where you kind of you don't have to do it, but there's someone expecting you to do it.

但是，你也會有這樣的感覺：你不必去做，但有人在等著你去做。

So it sort of makes you do it more.

是以，它讓你做得更多。

It's just a nice sort of encouragement to actually like create stuff.

這對真正喜歡創作的人來說是一種很好的鼓勵。

Yeah, I've loved them.

是的，我愛他們。

They've most of my professional showreel is from my map parts, which is a bit weird.

我的大部分專業作品都來自我的多動畫師項目部分，這有點奇怪。

But I think I got the most practice out of it.

但我覺得我從中得到了最多的鍛鍊。

I think I learned more from them than I did from studies.

我覺得我從他們身上學到的東西比我從學習中學到的更多。

Do maps generally get completed on time?

多動畫項目一般都能按時完成嗎？

Like what's kind of the ETA for maps?

多動畫師項目的預計製作時間是多久？

Oh, they don't get completed on time.

哦，它們沒有按時完成。

They do not.

他們沒有。

I do have a case where a map did get completed on time and it was very spectacular.

我確實有一張多動畫師項目按時完成了，而且非常壯觀。

The Everything Moves map is probably my most favorite map that I participated in.

The Everything Moves 多動畫項目可能是我參加過的多動畫項目中最喜歡的一張。 註: The Everything Moves 多動畫師項目: https://tw.voicetube.com/videos/178482

But what was really fascinating that we got it done in two months.

但真正吸引人的是，我們在兩個月內就完成了它。

That usually never happens.

這通常不會發生。

That was my last map I hosted.

那是我主持的最後一張多動畫師項目。

It turned out amazing and it finished really quick.

結果非常棒，而且很快就完成了。

I kind of like do a show, don't tell.

我有點喜歡做秀，不喜歡說出來。

And that's what I did with Everything Moves.

我在Everything Moves 中就是這麼做的。

I was like, this is what can happen if you have a host that's really like dedicated to the project.

我當時就想，如果你有一個真正為項目盡心盡力的主持人，就會發生這樣的事情。

It can get done on time.

可以按時完成。

So I have Sol running through the rain and just running and then splashing into the dirt.

是以，我讓索日在雨中奔跑，只是奔跑，然後濺到泥土裡。

And one thing I started to do, I said, well, let me help out some people.

我開始做的一件事是，我說，好吧，讓我來幫助一些人。

I finished my part pretty early, like about a couple of weeks into the project.

我很早就完成了自己的部分，大概在項目開始幾周後。

So some people needed tasks like on specific parts.

所以有些人需要完成一些任務，比如特定的部分。

Either they had some stuff going on and couldn't finish certain parts.

要麼是他們有事，無法完成某些部分。

So on the serious part, the part with the smoke and all the sun, I had helped with the smoke effects and certain movements around the second parts.

是以，在嚴肅的部分，也就是有煙霧和陽光的部分，我幫助製作了煙霧效果和第二部分的某些動作。

I felt like I was on a roll.

我感覺自己的狀態很好。

I'm like, you know what?

我想，你知道嗎？

Let's just try and get this done as much as we can.

讓我們儘量把事情辦好吧。

This, this, this.

這個，這個，這個

Next thing I know, it was like almost done.

接下來，我知道它就快完成了。

And it was strange just how quickly it came about.

奇怪的是，這一切來得如此之快。

It's like we had so many people kind of helping and collaborating with each other.

就好像我們有很多人在互相幫助和合作。

And I said, I kind of want to see that happen again.

我說，我有點想看到這種情況再次發生。

So what are your your favorite parts of the community and your least favorite parts?

那麼，您最喜歡和最不喜歡社群的哪些部分？

Least favorite, I guess sometimes in fighting that can happen.

我想，最不喜歡的可能就是有時候會發生內鬨。

It doesn't get as bad as it could be.

它不會變得那麼糟糕。

Since it only happens like every once in a while.

因為這種情況偶爾才會發生一次。

But it's kind of sucks because this community can be really fun.

但這有點糟糕，因為這個社群真的很有趣。

But then you just see a lot of stuff going on.

但隨後你就會看到很多事情發生。

And it's like, boy, what is happening?

這就像，孩子，到底發生了什麼？

Got to take these cats seriously, right?

得認真對待這些貓，對吧？

And my favorite besides animation, I enjoy making new friends and watching people improve over the years.

除了動畫之外，我最喜歡的就是結交新朋友，看著大家在這些年裡不斷進步。

Like that's so satisfying.

好像很滿足的樣子。

A map, in my opinion, is not owned by the person that decided to split up the parts and host the map.

在我看來，多動畫師項目並不屬於決定拆分地圖並託管多動畫項目的人。

It is owned by the community, the people that created it.

它屬於社群，屬於創造它的人們。

The people that can lift it up and actually say, I worked on this at that point.

那些能把它拿起來，並真正說出 "我曾在那一刻研究過這個 "的人。

And it is really inspiring to see everyone work together to create something that would probably have been better than, in my opinion, it's better than what you could create on your own most of the time, because you have so many interesting ideas coming together.

在我看來，看到大家齊心協力創造出的東西可能會比你自己創造的東西更好，這真的很鼓舞人心，因為你有這麼多有趣的想法匯聚在一起。

And it kind of shows you like a little piece of the community from when it's completed.

這也是社群建成後的一個縮影。

Would you ever be interested in participating in the Warriors animation community again?

您是否有興趣再次加入貓戰士動畫社群？

I don't think it would be as an animator.

我覺得不會是動畫師。

I'm extremely out of practice and I'm not really interested in putting in the hours it would take to get back up there.

我已經極度缺乏練習，而且我也沒興趣再花時間去練習了。

You know, I would like to contribute as an editor or a map host or something, though, if possible.

不過，如果可能的話，我也想當個編輯或多動畫師項目主持人什麼的。

Like, I'm not sure if there's a precedent for that or how people would feel.

我不知道是否有這樣的先例，也不知道人們會作何感想。

And I think it would be interesting and could possibly bring more people into the community who had different skill sets and might be really strong at editing or writing or directing, but not strong at drawing.

我認為這很有趣，可以讓更多擁有不同技能的人加入到社群中來，他們可能在編輯、寫作或導演方面很強，但在繪畫方面並不強。

It's just, I think it's really inspiring that so many young people sort of start animating because of it, because like we talked about before, it's really bizarre as to why this book series in particular has spawned so many artists.

這真的很令人鼓舞，因為許多年輕人因此開始從事動畫創作。就像我們之前討論過的那樣，這本書系列為什麼特別激發了這麼多藝術家，這件事本身就很奇妙。

But I think it's amazing that it has, like so many people have gone into animation because of these cat books and they have nothing, it has nothing in connection with animation at all.

但我認為這很了不起，因為這些有關貓的書讓這麼多人投入到動畫創作中，而這本書本身其實和動畫完全沒有關聯。

It's really great.

它真的很棒。

And you see so many really young people who get really good at drawing animation because they're inspired to.

你會看到很多真正的年輕人因為受到啟發而在繪製動畫方面變得非常出色。

And it's incredible.

真是不可思議。

I think it's amazing how many people have sort of become artists because of it.

我認為，有多少人是以這個而成為藝術家，這太不可思議了。 (已校對)

And I think it's really inspiring that so many young people have gone into animation because of it.

我認為，如此多的年輕人是以投身動畫行業，這真的很鼓舞人心。 (多出來的字幕)

And I think it's really inspiring that so many young people have gone into animation because of it.

我認為，如此多的年輕人是以投身動畫行業，這真的很鼓舞人心。 (多出來的字幕)