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Uploaded: 2024-07-01T08:18:38.000Z
Duration: 35 min 29 s

Now, please welcome the 46th President of the United States, Joe Biden.

現在，有請美國第46任總統喬-拜登。

And please welcome the 45th President of the United States, Donald Trump.

請歡迎美國第 45 任總統唐納德-特朗普。

President Trump, we will get to immigration later in this block. President Biden,

特朗普總統，我們稍後將討論移民問題。拜登總統

I want to give you an opportunity to respond to this question about the national debt.

我想給您一個機會來回答這個有關國債的問題。

He had the largest national debt of any president in a four-year period, number one.

他是四年內國債最多的總統，排名第一。

Number two, that $2 trillion tax cut benefited the very wealthy.

第二，2 萬億美元的減稅讓富人受益。

What I'm going to do is fix the tax system. For example, we have 1,000 trillionaires in America,

我要做的是修正稅收制度。例如，美國有1000萬億富豪、

I mean, billionaires in America. And what's happening? They're in a situation where they, in fact, pay 8.2 percent in taxes. If they just paid 24 percent or 25 percent, either one of those numbers, they'd raise $500 million, billion dollars, I should say, in a 10-year period. We'd be able to wipe out his debt. We'd be able to help make sure that all those things we need to do, child care, elder care, making sure that we continue to strengthen our health care system, making sure that we're able to make every single solitary person eligible for what I've been able to do with the COVID — excuse me, with dealing with everything we have to do with — look, if we finally beat Medicare —

我是說美國的億萬富翁發生了什麼？他們現在的稅率是8. 2%。 If they just pay 24% or 25%, either one of those numbers.如果他們只支付24％或25％， 其中任何一個數字， 他們將提高5億美元， 十億美元，我應該說， 在10年的時間。我們就能還清他的債務。我們將能夠幫助確保我們需要做的所有事情，兒童護理，老年人護理，確保我們繼續加強我們的醫療保健系統，確保我們能夠讓每一個人都有資格獲得我已經能夠做的COVID - 對不起，我，處理我們必須做的一切 - 

Thank you, President Biden. President Trump?

謝謝你，拜登總統。特朗普總統？

Well, he's right. He did beat Medicare. He beat it to death. And he's destroying Medicare because all of these people are coming in. They're putting them on Medicare. They're putting them on Social Security. They're going to destroy Social Security. This man is going to single-handedly destroy Social Security. These millions and millions of people coming in, they're trying to put them on Social Security. He will wipe out Social Security. He will wipe out Medicare. So he was right in the way he finished that sentence. And it's a shame.

他說得沒錯。他確實打敗了醫療保險他把它打得奄奄一息他正在摧毀醫療保險 因為所有這些人都進來了他們讓他們參加醫療保險他們把他們的社會保障。他們要摧毀社會保障這個人將單槍匹馬地摧毀社會保障。這些數以百萬計的人湧入 他們試圖讓他們加入社保他將摧毀社會保障他將摧毀醫療保險。所以他說的那句話是對的。真遺憾

What's happened to our country in the last four years is not to be believed.

我們的國家在過去四年中發生的一切令人難以置信。

Foreign countries — I'm friends with a lot of people. They cannot believe what happened to the

外國--我有很多朋友。他們無法相信

United States of America. We're no longer respected. They don't like us. We give them everything they want, and they think we're stupid. They think we're very stupid people.

美利堅合眾國。我們不再受到尊重。他們不喜歡我們我們給了他們想要的一切 他們卻認為我們很愚蠢他們認為我們是非常愚蠢的人

What we're doing for other countries, and they do nothing for us.

我們為其他國家做了什麼，他們卻沒有為我們做什麼。

What this man has done is absolutely criminal.

這個人的所作所為絕對是犯罪。

President Trump, staying on the topic of immigration, you've said that you're going to carry out, quote, the largest domestic deportation operation in American history, unquote.

特朗普總統，請繼續談移民問題，您曾說過，您將開展美國曆史上規模最大的國內驅逐行動，引述如下。

Does that mean that you will deport every undocumented immigrant in America, including those who have jobs, including those whose spouses are citizens, and including those who have lived here for decades? And if so, how will you do it?

這是否意味著你們將驅逐美國的所有無證移民，包括那些有工作的人，包括那些配偶是公民的人，包括那些在這裡生活了幾十年的人？如果是這樣，你們將如何做？

Just one second. He said we killed three people. The people we killed are al-Baghdadi and Salamani, the two greatest terrorists, biggest terrorists anywhere in the world. And it had a huge impact on everything, not just border, on everything. He's the one that killed people with the bad water, including hundreds of thousands of people dying, and also killing our citizens when they come in. We are living right now in a rat's nest. They're killing our people in New York, in California, in every state in the union, because we don't have borders anymore.

稍等一下他說我們殺了三個人我們殺的是巴格達迪和薩拉馬尼，他們是世界上最厲害的兩個恐怖分子，最大的恐怖分子。這對一切都產生了巨大影響，不僅僅是邊境，對一切都有影響。是他用壞水殺死了人們，包括成千上萬的人死亡，還在我們的公民入境時殺死了他們。我們現在生活在一個老鼠窩裡。他們正在紐約、加利福尼亞、美國各州殺害我們的人民，因為我們已經沒有邊界了。

Every state is now a border. And because of his ridiculous, insane, and very stupid policies, people are coming in and they're killing our citizens at a level that we've never seen. We call it migrant crime. I call it Biden migrant crime. They're killing our citizens at a level that we've never seen before. And you're reading it like these three incredible young girls over the last few days. One of them, I just spoke to the mother, and he just had the funeral for this girl, 12 years old. This is horrible what's taken place, what's taken place in our country.

現在每個州都是邊界。由於他荒唐、瘋狂和非常愚蠢的政策，人們湧進來，以我們從未見過的程度殺害我們的公民。我們稱之為移民犯罪。我稱之為拜登移民犯罪。他們正在以前所未有的程度殺害我們的公民。就像過去幾天發生的這三個不可思議的年輕女孩一樣。其中一個，我剛剛和她的母親談過，他剛剛為這個12歲的女孩舉行了葬禮。這太可怕了，我們的國家發生了什麼？

We're literally an uncivilized country now. He doesn't want it to be. He just doesn't know.

我們現在簡直就是一個不文明的國家。他不想這樣他只是不知道

He opened the borders. Nobody's ever seen anything like. And we have to get a lot of these people out and we have to get them out fast because they're going to destroy our country.

他開放了邊界前所未見我們必須把這些人趕出去 而且要快 因為他們會毀了我們的國家

Just take a look at where they're living. They're living in luxury hotels in New York City and other places. Our veterans are on the street. They're dying because he doesn't care about our veterans. He doesn't care. He doesn't like the military at all.

看看他們住在哪裡就知道了。他們住在紐約市和其他地方的豪華酒店裡。我們的退伍軍人卻流落街頭他們正在死去，因為他不關心我們的退伍軍人。他不關心。他根本不喜歡軍隊。

And he doesn't care about our veterans. Nobody been worse. I had the highest approval rating for veterans taking care of the VA. He has the worst. He's gotten rid of all the things that

他根本不關心我們的退伍軍人。沒有人比他更糟糕。我對退伍軍人的支持率最高，對退伍軍人事務部的支持率最高。他是最差的他已經擺脫了所有的東西，

I approved choice that I got through Congress, all of the different things I approved.

我通過國會準許了我的選擇，我準許了所有不同的事情。

They abandoned. We had by far the highest. And now it's down in less than half because he's done all these great things that we did. And I think he did it just because I approved it, which is crazy. But he has killed so many people at our border by allowing all of these people to come in. It's a very sad day in America. President Biden, you have the mic.

他們放棄了。到目前為止，我們的支持率是最高的。現在只剩不到一半了 因為他做了所有我們做的大事我覺得他這麼做只是因為我同意了 這太瘋狂了但他允許這些人入境 在邊境殺了那麼多人這是美國非常悲哀的一天。拜登總統，請您發言。

Every single thing he said is a lie. Every single one. For example, veterans are a hell of a lot better off since I passed the PACT Act. One million of them now have insurance and their families have it. Their families have it because what happened, whether it was Agent Orange or burn pits, they're all being covered now. And he opposed his group opposed that.

他說的每一句話都是謊言。每一句都是。例如，自從我通過《PACT法案》以來，退伍軍人的生活好了很多。他們當中有一百萬人現在有了保險，他們的家人也有了保險。他們的家人有了保險，因為發生了什麼，無論是橙劑或燒傷坑，他們現在都被覆蓋。他反對他的集團反對這一點。

We're also in a situation where we have great respect for veterans. My spent my son spent a year in Iraq, living next to one of those burn pits, came back with stage four glioblastoma.

我們也非常尊重退伍軍人。我的兒子在伊拉克呆了一年，住在一個燒傷坑旁邊，回來後患上了第四期膠質母細胞瘤。

I was recently in France for D-Day, and I spoke all about those heroes that died.

我最近在法國參加了 "登陸日 "活動，我談到了那些犧牲的英雄。

I went to the World War II cemetery, World War I cemetery he refused to go to. He was standing with his four star general. And he told me, he said, I don't want to go in there because they're a bunch of losers and suckers. My son was not a loser, was not a sucker.

我去了二戰公墓，一戰公墓他拒絕去。他和他的四星上將站在一起他告訴我，他說，我不想去那裡，因為他們是一群失敗者和笨蛋。我的兒子不是一個失敗者，不是一個吸盤。

You're the sucker. You're the loser. President Trump.

Uh, first of all, that was a made up quote, suckers and losers. They made it up. It was in a third rate magazine that's failing like many of these magazines. Uh, he made that up.

首先，"笨蛋和失敗者 "這句話是編造的。他們編的那是在一本三流雜誌上刊登的 和很多三流雜誌一樣都在倒閉是他編的

He put it in commercials. We've notified him. We had 19 people that said, I didn't say it.

他把它放在廣告裡了我們已經通知了他。有 19 個人說，我沒說過。

And think of this, who would say I'm at a cemetery or I'm talking about our veterans because nobody's taking better care. I'm so glad this came up and he brought it up.

想想看，誰會說我在墓地或我在談論我們的退伍軍人，因為沒有人照顧得更好。我很高興這件事被提出來，他也提出來了。

There's nobody that's taken better care of our soldiers than I have to think that I would in front of generals and others say suckers and losers. We have 19 people that said it was never said by me. It was made up by him. Just like Russia, Russia,

沒有人比我對我們的阿兵哥照顧得更好，我不得不認為我會在將軍和其他人面前說笨蛋和失敗者。我們有19人說， 這從來沒有說過我。這是他編造的。就像俄羅斯，俄羅斯、

Russia was made up just like the 51 intelligence agents are made up just like the new thing with the 16 economists are talking. It's the same thing. 51 intelligence agents said that the laptop was Russia disinformation. It wasn't that came from his son Hunter.

俄羅斯是捏造出來的，就像 51 名情報人員是捏造出來的一樣，就像 16 名經濟學家的新說法一樣。都是一回事。51名情報人員說筆記本電腦是俄羅斯的假情報那不是他兒子亨特說的

It wasn't Russia disinformation. He made up the suckers and losers. So he should apologize to me right now. War star general stand your side. It was on your staff who said you said it period.

不是俄羅斯造謠。是他編造了傻瓜和失敗者。所以他現在就該向我道歉戰星將軍站在你這邊是你的幕僚說你這麼說的

That's number one. And number two, the idea, the idea that I have to apologize to you for anything along the line. We've done more for veterans than any president has in American history,

這是第一點。第二，我必須為過去的任何事情向你們道歉的想法。我們為退伍軍人做的事情比美國曆史上任何一位總統都要多、

American history. And they now are in their family. The only sacred obligation we have as a country is to care for our veterans when they come home and their families and equip them when they go to war. That's what we're doing. That's what the V.A. is doing now. They're doing more for veterans than ever before in our history. All right. Thank you so much.

美國曆史。現在，他們已成為自己的家人。作為一個國家，我們唯一神聖的義務就是在退伍軍人回家時照顧他們和他們的家人，並在他們上戰場時為他們提供裝備。這就是我們正在做的。這就是退伍軍人協會現在正在做的。他們為退伍軍人做的比我們歷史上任何時候都多。好的 非常感謝 All right.非常感謝

Let's move to the topic of foreign policy. I want to begin with Russia's war against Ukraine, which is now in its third year. Former President Trump, Russian President Vladimir Putin says he'll only end this war if Russia keeps the Ukrainian territory it has already claimed and Ukraine abandons its bid to join NATO. Are Putin's terms acceptable to you?

下面我們來談談外交政策。我想從俄羅斯對烏克蘭的戰爭說起，這場戰爭已經進入了第三個年頭。前總統特朗普、俄羅斯總統弗拉基米爾-普京（Vladimir Putin）表示，只有俄羅斯保住已經宣稱擁有的烏克蘭領土，烏克蘭放棄加入北約的申請，他才會結束這場戰爭。您能接受普京的條件嗎？

First of all, our veterans and our soldiers can't stand this guy. They can't stand him.

首先，我們的退伍軍人和阿兵哥受不了這傢伙。他們受不了他。

They think he's the worst commander in chief, if that's what you call him, that we've ever had. They can't stand him. So let's get that straight. And they like me more than just about any of them. And that's based on every single bit of information.

他們認為他是有史以來最糟糕的總司令 如果你這麼稱呼他的話他們受不了他我們把話說清楚他們比任何人都更喜歡我這是基於所有的資訊

As far as Russia and Ukraine, if we had a real president, the president that knew that was respected by Putin, he would have never he would have never invaded Ukraine.

至於俄羅斯和烏克蘭，如果我們有一位真正的總統，一位知道自己受到普京尊重的總統，他絕不會入侵烏克蘭。

A lot of people are dead right now, much more than people know. You know, they talk about numbers. You can double those numbers, maybe triple those numbers.

現在死了很多人，比人們知道的要多得多。你知道，他們談論的是數字。你可以把這些數字翻一番，甚至三番。

He did nothing to stop it. In fact, I think he encouraged Russia from going in.

他沒有做任何事情來阻止它。事實上，我認為他鼓勵了俄羅斯的入侵。

I'll tell you what happened. He was so bad with Afghanistan. It was such a horrible embarrassment, most embarrassing moment in the history of our country that when Putin watched that and he saw the incompetence that he should he should have fired those generals like I fired the one that you mentioned. And so he's got no love lost, but he should have fired those generals. No general got fired for the most embarrassing moment in the history of our country, Afghanistan, where we left billions of dollars of equipment behind. We lost 13 beautiful soldiers and 38 soldiers were obliterated. And by the way, we left people behind, too. We left American citizens behind.

我來告訴你發生了什麼他在阿富汗的表現太糟糕了。這是我們國家歷史上最尷尬的時刻，當普京看到這一幕，看到他的無能，他應該解僱那些將軍，就像我解僱你提到的那個將軍一樣。是以，他沒有失去愛，但他應該解僱那些將軍。在阿富汗，我們留下了數十億美元的裝備，沒有一個將軍因為我國曆史上最尷尬的時刻而被解僱。我們失去了 13 名漂亮的阿兵哥，38 名阿兵哥被殲滅。順便說一句，我們也丟下了人民。我們丟下了美國公民。

When Putin saw that, he said, you know what, I think we're going to go in and maybe take my this was his dream. I talked to him about his dream. The difference is he never would have invaded Ukraine. Never. Just like Israel would have never been invaded in a million years by

當普京看到這一幕時，他說，你知道嗎，我想我們要進去，也許把我的這是他的夢想。我和他談過他的夢想。不同的是，他永遠不會入侵烏克蘭。永遠不會就像以色列永遠不會被侵略一樣

Hamas. You know why? Because Iran was broke with me. I wouldn't let anybody do business with them.

哈馬斯你知道為什麼嗎？因為伊朗和我決裂了。我不允許任何人和他們做生意。

They ran out of money. They were broke. They had no money for Hamas. They had no money for anything.

他們沒錢了。他們破產了。他們沒錢給哈馬斯。他們沒錢買任何東西。

No money for terror. That's why you had no terror at all during my administration.

沒錢搞恐怖活動這就是為什麼在我執政期間，你們根本沒有恐怖活動。

This place, the whole world is blowing up under him.

這個地方，整個世界都在他腳下爆炸。

President Biden. I've never heard so much malarkey in my whole life. Look, the fact of the matter is that we're in a situation where let's take the last point first.

拜登總統我這輩子都沒聽過這麼多廢話聽著，事實是，我們現在的情況是先談最後一點。

Iran attacked American troops, killed, caused brain damage for a number of these troops, and he did nothing about it. Not when he was president. Here they attacked. He said they're just having headaches. That's all it is. He didn't do a thing when the attack took place, number one.

伊朗襲擊了美軍，殺害了許多美軍，並造成了腦損傷，而他對此卻無動於衷。當他還是總統的時候就沒有。在這裡，他們發動了襲擊。他說他們只是頭疼而已就是這樣襲擊發生時，他什麼都沒做，第一。

Number two, we got over 100,000 Americans and others out of Afghanistan during that airlift.

第二，在那次空運中，我們從阿富汗運出了 10 萬多名美國人和其他人。

Number three, we found ourselves in a situation where if you take a look at what Trump did in

第三，我們發現自己處於這樣一種境地：如果你看看特朗普在

Ukraine, this guy told Trump, do whatever you want and do whatever you want. And that's exactly what Trump did to encourage him. Do whatever you want. And he went in. Listen to what he said when he went in. He was going to take Kiev in five days, remember? Because it's part of the old

烏克蘭，這傢伙對特朗普說，你想做什麼就做什麼，想幹什麼就幹什麼。特朗普正是這樣鼓勵他的。想做什麼就做什麼。然後他就進去了。聽聽他進去時說了什麼。他要在五天內拿下基輔，還記得嗎？因為那是老

Soviet Union. That's what he wanted to reestablish. Kiev. And he, in fact, didn't do it at all. He didn't, wasn't able to get it done. And they've lost over, they've lost thousands and thousands of troops, 500,000 troops. Former President Trump, Russian President Vladimir Putin says he'll only end this war if Russia keeps the Ukrainian territory it has already claimed and Ukraine abandons its bid to join NATO. Are Putin's terms acceptable to you?

蘇聯。這就是他想要重建的。基輔而事實上，他根本沒有做到這一點。他沒有，沒有能夠做到這一點。他們失去了成千上萬的軍隊，50萬軍隊。前總統特朗普、俄羅斯總統弗拉基米爾-普京（Vladimir Putin）表示，只有俄羅斯保住已經宣稱擁有的烏克蘭領土，烏克蘭放棄加入北約的申請，他才會結束這場戰爭。你能接受普京的條件嗎？

They think he's the worst commander in chief, if that's what you call him, that we've ever had. They can't stand him. So let's get that straight. And they like me more than just about any of them. And that's based on every single bit of information. As far as

他們認為他是有史以來最糟糕的總司令 如果你這麼稱呼他的話他們受不了他我們把話說清楚他們比任何人都更喜歡我這是根據所有的資訊得出的結論至於

Russia and Ukraine, if we had a real president, the president that knew, that was respected by

俄羅斯和烏克蘭，如果我們有一位真正的總統，一位瞭解並受到以下各方尊重的總統

Putin, he would have never, he would have never invaded Ukraine. A lot of people are dead right now, much more than people know. You know, they talk about numbers. You can double those numbers, maybe triple those numbers. He did nothing to stop it. In fact, I think he encouraged Russia from going in. I'll tell you what happened. He was so bad with Afghanistan. It was such a horrible embarrassment, most embarrassing moment in the history of our country that when Putin watched that and he saw the incompetence that he should, he should have fired those generals like I fired the one that you mentioned. And so he's got no love lost, but he should have fired those generals.

普京，他絕不會，他絕不會入侵烏克蘭。現在死了很多人，比人們知道的要多得多。你知道，他們談論的是數字。你可以把這些數字翻一番，甚至三番。他沒有做任何事情來阻止這一切。事實上，我認為他鼓勵了俄羅斯的入侵我來告訴你發生了什麼他在阿富汗的表現太糟糕了那是我們國家歷史上最尷尬的時刻，普京看到了，他看到了自己的無能，他應該解僱那些將軍，就像我解僱你提到的那位將軍一樣。是以，他沒有失去愛，但他應該解僱那些將軍。

No general got fired for the most embarrassing moment in the history of our country, Afghanistan, where we left billions of dollars of equipment behind. We lost 13 beautiful soldiers and 38 soldiers were obliterated. And by the way, we left people behind too. We left American citizens behind. When Putin saw that, he said, you know what? I think we're going to go in and maybe take my. This was his dream. I talked to him about it. His dream. The difference is he never would have invaded Ukraine. Never. Just like Israel would have never been invaded in a million years by Hamas. You know why? Because Iran was broke with me. I wouldn't let anybody do business with them. They ran out of money. They were broke. They had no money for Hamas. They had no money for anything. No money for terror. That's why you had no terror at all during my administration.

在我們國家歷史上最尷尬的時刻--阿富汗，我們丟下了數十億美元的裝備，沒有一位將軍是以被解僱。我們失去了 13 名漂亮的阿兵哥，38 名阿兵哥被殲滅。順便說一句，我們還丟下了人民。我們丟下了美國公民。當普京看到這一幕時，他說，你知道嗎？我想我們要去，也許把我的。這是他的夢想我跟他談起過他的夢想不同的是，他永遠不會 入侵烏克蘭。永遠不會就像以色列絕不會被哈馬斯入侵一樣知道為什麼嗎因為伊朗已經和我決裂了我不允許任何人和他們做生意他們沒錢了他們破產了他們沒錢給哈馬斯他們沒錢做任何事沒錢搞恐怖活動這就是為什麼在我執

I've never heard so much malarkey in my whole life. Look, the fact of the matter is that we're in a situation where let's take the last point first. Iran attacked American troops, kill, cause brain damage for a number of these troops. And he did nothing about it recently when he was president. Here they attacked. He said they're just having headaches. That's all it is.

我這輩子都沒聽過這麼多廢話聽著，事實是，我們現在的處境是先談最後一點。伊朗襲擊了美軍，造成了許多美軍的死亡和腦損傷。而他最近在任總統時卻對此無動於衷。在這裡，他們發動了襲擊。他說他們只是頭疼。就是這樣

He didn't do a thing when the attack took place, number one. Number two, we got over 100,000

第一，襲擊發生時他什麼都沒做。第二，我們有超過 10 萬

Americans and others out of Afghanistan during that airlift. Number three, we found ourselves in a situation where if you take a look at what Trump did in Ukraine, this guy told Ukraine, told Trump, do whatever you want and do whatever you want. And that's exactly what Trump did to Putin. Encourage him, do whatever you want. And he went in and listen to what he said when he went in. He was going to take Kiev in five days, remember, because it's part of the old

在那次空運中，美國人和其他人離開了阿富汗。第三，我們發現自己處於這樣一種境地：如果你看看特朗普在烏克蘭的所作所為，這傢伙告訴烏克蘭，告訴特朗普，做你想做的任何事，做你想做的任何事。這正是特朗普對普京所做的。鼓勵他，想做什麼就做什麼。然後他進去了，聽聽他進去時說了什麼。他打算在五天內拿下基輔，記得嗎？

Soviet Union. That's what he wanted to reestablish. Kiev. And he, in fact, didn't do it at all. He didn't, wasn't able to get it done. And they've lost over, they've lost thousands and thousands of troops, 500,000 troops. President Trump, I never said that for one minute. I just want to go back to my original question, which is, are Putin's terms acceptable to you, keeping the territory in Ukraine? No, they're not acceptable. No, they're not acceptable. But look, this is a war that never should have started. If we had a leader in this war, he led everybody along.

蘇聯。這就是他想要重建的。基輔而事實上，他根本沒有做到這一點。他沒有，沒有能夠做到這一點。他們失去了成千上萬的軍隊，50萬軍隊。特朗普總統，我從來沒有說過一分鐘。我只想回到我最初的問題，即普京的條件你能接受嗎，保留烏克蘭領土？不，不能接受。不能接受但聽著，這是一場本不該開始的戰爭。在這場戰爭中，如果我們有一個領導者，他會帶領大家前進。

He's given $200 billion now or more to Ukraine. He's given $200 billion. That's a lot of money.

他已經向烏克蘭提供了 2000 億美元，甚至更多。他給了 2000 億美元。這可是一大筆錢。

I don't think there's ever been anything like it. Every time that Zelensky comes to this country, he walks away with $60 billion. He's the greatest salesman ever. And I'm not knocking him. I'm not knocking anything. I'm only saying the money that we're spending on this war, and we shouldn't be spending. It should have never happened. I will have that war settled between Putin and Zelensky as president-elect before I take office on January 20th. I'll have that war settled.

我覺得從來沒有過這樣的事每次澤倫斯基來這個國家 他都能帶走600億美元他是有史以來最偉大的推銷員我不是在打擊他我不是在打擊他我只想說 我們花在這場戰爭上的錢 我們不該花的它不應該發生。我會在1月20日就職前 解決普京和澤林斯基之間的戰爭 作為當選總統我會解決這場戰爭

People being killed so needlessly, so stupidly. And I will get it settled, and I'll get it settled fast before I take office. President Biden, you have a minute.

人們被如此毫無必要、如此愚蠢地殺害。我會在上任前儘快解決的拜登總統，給你一分鐘。

The fact is that Putin is a war criminal. He's killed thousands and thousands of people. And he has made one thing clear. He wants to reestablish what was part of the Soviet empire, not just a piece. He wants all of Ukraine. That's what he wants. And then do you think he'll stop there? Do you think he'll stop if he takes Ukraine? What do you think happens to the

事實上，普京是一名戰犯。他殺害了成千上萬的人。他已經說得很清楚他想重建蘇維埃帝國的一部分，而不僅僅是一部分。他想要整個烏克蘭這就是他想要的。你認為他會就此罷手嗎？如果他拿下烏克蘭，你認為他會就此罷手嗎？你認為會發生什麼？

Pole? What do you think of Belarus? What do you think happens to those NATO countries? And so if you want a war, you ought to find out what he's going to do. Because if in fact he does what he says and walks away, and by the way, all that money we give Ukraine and from weapons we make here in the United States, we give them the weapons, not the money at this point. And our

極？你認為白俄羅斯會怎樣？你覺得那些北約國家會怎麼樣？所以，如果你想開戰，就應該搞清楚他會怎麼做。因為如果他真的說到做到，一走了之，順便說一下，我們給烏克蘭的所有錢，以及我們在美國製造的武器，我們給他們的是武器，而不是錢。我們的

NATO allies have produced as much funding for Ukraine as we have. That's why we're strong.

北約盟國為烏克蘭提供的資金與我們一樣多。這就是我們強大的原因。

Former President Trump, I want to ask you about January 6, 2021. After you rallied your supporters that day, some of them stormed the Capitol to stop the constitutionally mandated counting of electoral votes. As president, you swore an oath to, quote, preserve, protect and defend, unquote, the Constitution. What do you say to voters who believe that you violated that oath through your actions and inaction on January 6 and worry that you'll do it again? Well, I don't think too many believe that. And let me tell you about January 6th. On January 6th, we had a great border.

前總統特朗普，我想問您 2021 年 1 月 6 日的情況。那天你召集支持者後，其中一些人衝進國會大廈，阻止憲法規定的選舉人票計算工作。作為總統，您宣誓要："維護、保護和捍衛憲法"。有些選民認為你在1月6日的作為和不作為違反了這一誓言，並擔心你會再次這樣做，你對此有何評論？我想沒有多少人相信這一點。讓我告訴你們 1 月 6 日的情況。1月6日，我們有一個偉大的邊界。

Nobody coming through. Very few. On January 6, we were energy independent. On January 6, we had the lowest taxes ever. We had the lowest regulations ever. On January 6, we were respected all over the world. All over the world, we were respected.

沒有人過來。很少1月6日，我們實現了能源獨立。1月6日，我們的稅收是有史以來最低的。我們有有史以來最低的法規。1月6日，我們受到全世界的尊重。在全世界，我們都受到尊重。

And then he comes in and we're now left that we're like a bunch of stupid people that what happened to the United States' reputation under this man's leadership is horrible, including weaponization, which I'm sure at some point you'll be talking about, where he goes after his political opponent because he can't beat him fair and square.

然後他上臺了，我們現在就像一群愚蠢的人，在這個人的上司下，美國的聲譽發生了可怕的變化，包括武器化，我相信在某些時候你會談論這個問題，他追殺他的政治對手，因為他不能公平公正地擊敗他。

You have 80 seconds left. My question was, what do you say to those voters who believe that you violated your constitutional oath through your actions and inaction on January 6, 2021, and worry that you'll do it again? Well, I didn't say that to anybody.

您還有 80 秒鐘。我的問題是，對於那些認為你在2021年1月6日的作為和不作為違反了你的憲法誓言，並擔心你會再次這樣做的選民，你怎麼說？我沒有對任何人這麼說。

I said peacefully and patriotically. And Nancy Pelosi, if you just watched the news from two days ago, on tape to her daughter, who's a documentary filmmaker, they say, but she's saying, oh, no, it's my responsibility. I was responsible for this because I offered her 10,000 soldiers or National Guard and she turned them down. And the mayor of in writing, by the way, the mayor in writing turned it down. The mayor of D.C., they turned it down. I offered 10,000 because I could see I had virtually nothing to do. They asked me to go make a speech.

我說的是和平和愛國。南希-佩洛西（Nancy Pelosi），如果你剛剛看了兩天前的新聞，在錄音帶上對她的女兒，誰是紀錄片製片人，他們說，但她說，哦，不，這是我的責任。因為我向她提供了一萬名阿兵哥或國民警衛隊，但她拒絕了。順便說一句，華盛頓市長也以書面形式拒絕了。華盛頓特區的市長也拒絕了。我給了一萬塊錢，因為我知道我幾乎無事可做。他們讓我去演講

I could see what was happening. Everybody was saying they're going to be there on January 6.

我能看到發生了什麼。大家都說 1 月 6 日要去那裡。

They're going to be there. And I said, you know what? There's a lot of people coming. You could feel it. You could feel it, too. And you could feel it. And I said they ought to have some

他們會去的我說，你知道嗎？來了很多人你能感覺到你也能感覺到你也能感覺到我說他們應該有一些

National Guard or whatever. And I offered it to her. And she now admits that she turned it down.

國民警衛隊什麼的我把這個機會給了她她現在承認，她拒絕了。

And it was the same day she was. I don't know. He can't be very happy with her daughter because it made her into a liar. She said, I take full responsibility for January 6th.

她也是同一天死的我不知道他不可能對她女兒很滿意 因為這讓她變成了一個金光黨她說，1月6號的事我要負全責

Look, he encouraged those folks from up in Capitol Hill. Number one,

聽著，他鼓勵了國會山的那些人。第一條

I sat in the dining room off the Oval Office. He sat there for three hours, three hours watching, begging, being begged by his vice president and a number of his colleagues on the Republican side as well to do something, to call for a stop, to end it.

我坐在橢圓形辦公室外的餐廳裡。他在那裡坐了三個小時，三個小時看著、乞求著，他的副總統和共和黨方面的一些同事也乞求他做點什麼，呼籲停止，結束這一切。

Instead, he talked about these people being patriots and great patrons of America. In fact, he says he'll now forgive them for what they've done. They've been convicted. He says he wants to commute their sentences and say no. He went to every single court in the nation.

相反，他卻說這些人是愛國者，是美國的偉大讚助人。事實上，他說他現在會原諒他們的所作所為。他們已經被定罪。他說他想給他們減刑，但他拒絕了。他跑遍了全國所有的法院

I don't know how many cases, scores of cases, including the Supreme Court. And they said, they said, no, no, this guy, this guy is responsible for doing what is being was done.

我不知道有多少案件，幾十個案件，包括最高法院。他們說，他們說，不，不，這個人，這個人要對所做的事情負責。

He did do a damn thing. And these people should be in jail and they should be the ones who are being held accountable. And he wants to let them all out. And now he says if he loses again, such a whiner that he is, that it could be a bloodbath.

他確實做了一件該死的事。這些人應該被關進監獄 他們應該是被追究責任的人他卻想把他們都放出來現在他又說如果他再輸了 他就是個愛抱怨的人 那可能會是一場大屠殺

Thank you, President Biden. President Trump.

謝謝你，拜登總統。特朗普總統

What they've done to some people that are so innocent, you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

他們對一些無辜的人做了什麼，你應該為自己感到羞恥。

What you have done, how you've destroyed the lives of so many people. When they ripped down

你的所作所為，你是如何毀掉了這麼多人的生活。當他們撕下

Portland, when they ripped down many other cities, you go to Minnesota, Minneapolis, what they've done there with the fires all over the city. If I didn't bring in the National Guard, that city would have been destroyed. When you look at all of that, they took over big chunks of Seattle. I was all set to bring in the National Guard. They heard that they saw them coming and they left immediately. What he said about this whole subject is so off, peacefully patriotic.

波特蘭，當他們摧毀許多其他城市的時候，你去明尼蘇達州，明尼阿波利斯，他們在那裡做了什麼，大火遍佈整個城市。如果我沒有調來國民警衛隊 那座城市早就被毀了當你看到這一切，他們佔領了西雅圖的大片土地。我都準備好把國民警衛隊調來了。他們聽說看到他們來了，馬上就走了。他對整個問題的看法是如此的偏激，和平的愛國主義。

One other thing, the unselect committee, which is basically two horrible Republicans that are all gone now out of office and Democrats, all Democrats, they destroyed and deleted all of the information they found because they found out we were right. We were right. And they deleted and destroyed all of the information. They should go to jail for that. If a Republican did that, they'd go to jail. Thank you, President Trump. President Biden, I want to give you a minute.

還有一件事，非遴選委員會基本上是兩個可怕的共和黨人，他們現在都下臺了，還有民主黨人，全是民主黨人，他們銷燬並刪除了他們發現的所有資訊，因為他們發現我們是對的。我們是對的。他們刪除並銷燬了所有資訊。他們應該為此坐牢。如果是共和黨人這麼做，他們也會坐牢。謝謝你，特朗普總統。拜登總統，我想給你一分鐘時間。

The only person in this stage is a convicted felon is the man I'm looking at right now.

在這個階段，唯一一個被定罪的重罪犯就是我現在看到的這個人。

And the fact of the matter is he isn't. He's what he's telling you is simply not true.

而事實是他沒有。他告訴你的根本不是真的。

The fact is that there was no effort on his part to stop what was going on up in Capitol Hill.

事實上，他並沒有努力阻止國會山發生的事情。

And all those people, every one of those who were convicted deserves to be convicted.

所有這些人，每一個被定罪的人都罪有應得。

The idea that they didn't kill somebody, just went in and broke down doors, broke the windows, occupied offices, turned over desks, turned them over statutes. The idea that those people are patriots? Come on. When I asked him the first two debates we had, the debates we had first time around, I said, will you denounce the Proud Boys? He said, no, I'll tell them to stand by.

他們沒有殺人，只是衝進去砸門、破窗、佔領辦公室、翻桌子、翻章程。說這些人是愛國者？得了吧當我在前兩次辯論中問他時，也就是我們第一次辯論時，我說，你會譴責 "驕傲男孩 "嗎？他說，不，我會告訴他們袖手旁觀。

The idea he's refusing, will you denounce these guys? Will you denounce the people we're talking about now? Will you denounce the people who attacked that Capitol? What are you going to do?

他的想法是拒絕，你會譴責這些人嗎？你會譴責我們現在談論的這些人嗎？你會譴責那些襲擊國會大廈的人嗎？你會怎麼做？

I'm going to give you a minute, President Trump, for a follow-up question I have.

特朗普總統，我給你一分鐘時間回答我的後續問題。