Name: 伊朗總統易卜拉欣-萊西：2022 年 "60 分鐘 "專訪 (Iran's President Ebrahim Raisi: The 2022 60 Minutes Interview)
Uploaded: 2024-05-23T03:30:41.000Z
Duration: 14 min 1 s

The United States first placed financial sanctions on Iran back in 1979 during the hostage crisis.

早在 1979 年人質危機期間，美國就首次對伊朗實施了金融制裁。

For nearly four decades, the U.S. State Department has designated Iran one of the world's leading state sponsors of terrorism.

近四十年來，美國國務院一直將伊朗列為世界上支持恐怖主義的主要國家之一。

But the Obama administration, along with five other countries, agreed to billions of dollars in sanctions relief in exchange for Iran's agreement to dismantle much of its nuclear program and open its facilities to extensive international inspection.

但奧巴馬政府與其他五個國家一道，同意以數十億美元的制裁減免換取伊朗同意拆除其大部分核計劃並開放其設施接受廣泛的國際檢查。

The Trump administration, distrusting Tehran, pulled out of the deal and stepped up crushing economic pressure.

不信任德黑蘭的特朗普政府退出了該協議，並加大了經濟壓力。

That's where Ibrahim Raisi found himself when he was elected president a year ago.

這就是易卜拉欣-雷西一年前當選總統時的處境。

Last month, Iran and the 61-year-old hardliner were on the verge of striking a new deal.

上個月，伊朗和這位 61 歲的強硬派即將達成一項新協議。

But then Iran submitted demands that sent the nuclear talks into a stalemate.

但伊朗隨後提出的要求使核會談陷入僵局。

We met President Raisi Tuesday at the presidential compound in Tehran for his first interview with a Western reporter.

週二，我們在德黑蘭總統府會見了拉伊西總統，這是他首次接受西方記者的採訪。

I was told how to dress, not to sit before he did, and not to interrupt him.

我被告知如何穿衣，不要在他坐下之前坐下，也不要打斷他。

We were given one hour for the interview.

Can we start with the negotiations on the nuclear deal?

Because you know, there are some American officials who are beginning to think that you don't.

因為你知道，有些美國官員開始認為你不知道。

If it's a good deal and fair deal, we would be serious about reaching an agreement.

如果這是一個好的交易、公平的交易，我們會認真達成協議。

If there were a guarantee, then the Americans could not withdraw from the deal.

如果有擔保，美國人就不能退出協議。

But you can pull out of the deal, I mean, just as well as we could pull out of the deal.

但你們可以退出協議，我是說，就像我們可以退出協議一樣。

You see, the Americans broke their promises.

They said that, I am out of the deal, now making promises is becoming meaningless.

他們說，我不幹了，現在承諾變得毫無意義。

Are you saying that you cannot trust the Americans?

We cannot trust the Americans because of the behavior that we've already seen from them.

我們不能相信美國人，因為我們已經看到了他們的所作所為。

That is why if there is no guarantee, there is no trust.

所以說，沒有保障，就沒有信任。

The U.S. says the West can't trust Iran, for instance, when it claims its nuclear program is purely for peaceful purposes.

例如，伊朗聲稱其核計劃純粹用於和平目的，美國卻說西方不能信任伊朗。

As far as we can tell, you don't use it for, you know, things that can help your citizens like electricity.

據我們所知，你們並沒有把它用於，你知道的，能幫助你們公民的東西，比如電力。

You say that you want it for peaceful reasons.

你說你想要它是出於和平的原因。

比如醫藥、農業、石油、天然氣。

In terms of peaceful purposes, one available figure from the U.N. nuclear watchdog agency the IAEA is that only 1.8 percent of the country's electricity is generated by nuclear power.

就和平目的而言，聯合國核監督機構國際原子能機構（IAEA）提供的數據顯示，該國僅有 1.8% 的電力是由核能產生的。

There seems to be some evidence that you had been working at least before toward a bomb, a bomb, a weapon, and that you might be doing that again.

似乎有證據表明，你至少以前就在為製造炸彈、炸彈、武器而努力，而且你可能還會再這麼做。

We have responded to these claims several times.

我們已經多次迴應了這些說法。

The Islamic Republic of Iran has said many times that possessing nuclear weapons has no place in our doctrine.

伊朗伊斯蘭共和國曾多次表示，擁有核武器在我們的理論中沒有任何地位。

However, the U.S. intelligence community has assessed with high confidence that Iran did attempt to develop a nuclear bomb in the past.

然而，美國情報界高度確信，伊朗過去確實曾試圖發展核彈。

And then there are the American citizens being detained in Tehran, three of whom were born in Iran.

還有在德黑蘭被拘留的美國公民，其中三人出生在伊朗。

If there is a deal, would you agree to release the four Americans who are being held here?

如果達成協議，你是否同意釋放被關押在這裡的四名美國人？

There are Iranian nationals also imprisoned inside the U.S.

在美國境內也有伊朗國民被監禁。

These people are only in there because they simply tried to circumvent sanctions.

這些人之所以被關在那裡，只是因為他們試圖規避制裁。

And the Americans, we have told them that we can talk to them about this.

而美國人，我們已經告訴他們，我們可以和他們談談這個問題。

It can be conducted separately from the nuclear talks.

It can be done between the two countries.

You're going to speak at the United Nations.

You know, President Biden is going to be there.

Are you open to a meeting with President Biden, a face-to-face?

你願意與拜登總統面對面會談嗎？

No, I don't think that such a meeting would happen.

不，我不認為會舉行這樣的會議。

I don't believe having a meeting or talk with him will be beneficial.

我不認為與他會面或談話會有什麼好處。

What do you think the difference is, from your perspective, between the Trump administration and the Biden administration?

從你的角度看，你認為特朗普政府和拜登政府的區別是什麼？

The new administration in the U.S., they claim that they are different from the Trump administration.

美國新政府聲稱他們與特朗普政府不同。

They have said it in their messages to us.

他們在給我們的資訊中已經說過了。

But we haven't witnessed any changes in reality.

但我們並沒有看到現實發生任何變化。

His major grievance against President Biden is that he has maintained the sanctions on

他對拜登總統的主要不滿在於，拜登總統維持了對美國的制裁。

特朗普總統對伊朗實施的制裁。

This is a tyranny against the people of Iran.

It is important to us to have the sanctions lifted.

The sanctions thrust Iran into a two-year recession, mainly because oil exports from refineries like this one fell overnight from 2.8 million barrels a day to about 200,000.

制裁使伊朗陷入了長達兩年的經濟衰退，主要原因是像這樣的煉油廠的石油出口量一夜之間從每天 280 萬桶下降到大約 20 萬桶。

Businesses have been cut off from international banking.

With inflation today in Iran at over 40 percent, virtually everything is more expensive.

如今伊朗的通貨膨脹率超過 40%，幾乎所有東西都更加昂貴。

And yet we found traffic here as clogged as in New York.

然而，我們發現這裡的交通和紐約一樣擁堵。

And as we saw, Tehran's bazaars are teeming with shoppers.

正如我們看到的那樣，德黑蘭的集市上擠滿了購物者。

我們遇到的人都對我們很友好。

One reason for the bustling commerce is something the president calls the resistance economy, in which businesses are encouraged to make more of the things themselves that they used to import.

商業繁榮的原因之一是總統所稱的抵制經濟，即鼓勵企業自己生產更多過去需要進口的產品。

那麼，你知道這些是在哪裡生產的嗎？

Also made in Iran, washing machines, refrigerators, TVs.

伊朗還生產洗衣機、冰箱和電視機。

They also have their own version of Uber Eats called Snap Food.

他們還有自己版本的 Uber Eats，名為 Snap Food。

Iran is home to one of the world's oldest civilizations, dating back to 4,000 B.C.

伊朗是世界上最古老文明的發源地之一，其歷史可追溯到公元前 4000 年。

It's where the foundations of algebra and chemistry were developed.

代數和化學的基礎就是在這裡奠定的。

Today, while there's attention to religious tradition in the Islamic Republic, it's one of the most westernized countries in the Middle East, with a well-educated population.

如今，伊斯蘭共和國雖然重視宗教傳統，但卻是中東地區西方化程度最高的國家之一，人民受過良好的教育。

This mall could be anywhere in America, with an ice skating rink, a food court with hot dogs and burgers, and the least expected, sexy window displays.

這個購物中心可以是美國的任何地方，有溜冰場，有熱狗和漢堡的美食廣場，還有最意想不到的性感櫥窗。

And yet, President Raisi just signed a decree making women who don't dress modestly subject to arrest.

然而，拉伊西總統剛剛簽署了一項法令，規定著裝不體面的婦女將被逮捕。

A young woman died Friday after the morality police took her into custody for violating the rules on head coverings.

週五，一名年輕女子因違反戴頭巾規定而被道德警察拘留，之後死亡。

Eyewitnesses say they saw her being beaten while in a police van.

目擊者說，他們看到她在一輛警車裡被毆打。

President Raisi's office says he ordered an investigation.

拉伊西總統辦公室稱，他已下令進行調查。

Syed Ibrahim Raisi descends from the prophet Mohammed as his black turban signifies, according to Shiite Muslim tradition.

根據什葉派穆斯林傳統，賽義德-易卜拉欣-拉伊西（Syed Ibrahim Raisi）是先知穆罕默德的後裔，他的黑頭巾代表著這一點。

He's a hardline conservative cleric like his mentor, the supreme leader Ayatollah Khamenei.

他和他的導師、最高領袖阿亞圖拉-哈梅內伊一樣，都是強硬保守的神職人員。

There is a personal sanction against you.

You took part in a commission that was responsible for executing up to 5,000 political dissidents.

您參加了一個負責處決多達 5000 名持不同政見者的委員會。

They were hanged or shot by firing squad.

他們或被絞死，或被行刑隊槍決。

What kind of proof can you offer for this?

These are just allegations and claims made by members of a terrorist group.

這些只是恐怖組織成員的指控和說法。

You're saying that that was a not true and that the act?

你的意思是說，這不是真的，而這一行為？

Anybody who commits a crime in Iran stands trial in official courts of law and they receive punishments for what they did.

任何在伊朗犯罪的人都要接受官方法庭的審判，併為自己的所作所為接受懲罰。

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