again we do want to show

我們確實想再次表明

you some. video from the

視頻來自

Iranian border with Asher

伊朗與阿什的邊界

by Gene as the search is

在搜索過程中

now. underway following a

現在。

helicopter crash. the

直升機墜毀。

helicopter. carrying the

直升機。

Iranian president as well as

伊朗總統以及

his foreign minister and

他的外交部長和

other officials and again,

其他官員也是如此、

we are continuing to

我們將繼續

follow this uh an

按照這個

official saying that both

官方稱

the lives of the Iranian

伊朗人的生活

president and his foreign

總統及其外交

minister were quote at

部長們在

risk following the

風險

helicopter crash saying

直升機墜毀

quote we are still hopeful

我們仍然充滿希望

but information coming from

但來自

the crash site is very

墜機地點非常

concerning. Uh, we do want

關於呃，我們確實希望

to bring in Michael

引進邁克爾

xantos, who is a foreign

仙託斯，他是一個外國

policy expert to talk

政策專家發表演講

more about this breaking

更多相關資訊

news and Michael. Thank you

新聞和邁克爾。 謝謝

so much for joining us.

非常歡迎您加入我們。

You're very welcome. and

不客氣。

again. the information is

資訊是

still very. scarce as this

仍然非常稀缺

is a breaking news

是突發新聞

situation. but what can you

但你能

share with us? well it is

與我們分享？

obviously clearly. in doubt

顯然顯然。

whether the running president

是否競選總統

and the foreign minister is

外交部長是

still alive. and it's very

還活著。

easy to dismiss it because

因為

it's often pointed out that

人們經常指出

the power is really in the

力量在於

hands of the supreme leader

最高領袖之手

of Iran How many and the

伊朗

Iranian revolutionary guard

伊朗革命衛隊

and other Security Forces?

和其他安全部隊？

but he was being groomed as

但他被培養為

a possible successor for the

的可能繼任者

supreme leader of Iran.

伊朗最高領袖。

That is the ultimate

這就是

leader of Iran. who is 85

伊朗領導人。

and that necessarily in

而在

good health. And so there's

健康。是以

a variety of potential

各種潛在的

effects of this but

其影響，但

1 of them being that he was

其中之一是他

a possible successor to the

可能的繼任者

current supreme leader

現任最高領導人

of Iran. so again

是以

leader of Iran

伊朗領導人

so again details are very

是以，細節同樣非常重要。

scarce and we were hearing

我們聽到

from an anonymous official

來自匿名官員的消息

saying that uh, the

說

president's life was. uh

總統的生活是

at risk along with the

與

foreign minister. Uh, but not

外交部長。但不是

uh going beyond that. if

如果

it were the case that the

如果

Iranian president. was

伊朗總統。

killed in this helicopter

在這架直升機上喪生

crash What would the impact

墜機

of that be? I think it

是什麼？我認為

could actually be

實際上可能是

significant. in some less

在一些不那麼

than obvious ways. He was

而不是顯而易見的方式。他是

in himself a very much a

他本身是一個非常

hardliner. So you see the

強硬派。 所以你看

hardliners. the extreme.

強硬派。

hardliners in Iran,

伊朗的強硬派、

unfortunately.

不幸的是

consolidating. power, but

鞏固政權，但

especially in the

特別是在

government that tries to

試圖

take the name of God and say

以上帝的名義說

that that it's divine.

它是神聖的。

wishes that they're acting

希望他們採取行動

on it and that they're

他們

serving. Um, God behind it.

上菜 嗯，上帝在背後。

I think this is

我認為這是

discrediting because even

因為即使

in a government that is

的政府中

not extremely religious. and

不是非常虔誠。

fanatic. Um, when you can't

狂熱。 嗯，當你不能

protect your leaders it can

保護您的領導人

happen unfortunately and

不幸發生

it's scary to the best

人怕出名豬怕壯

country God forbid even

國家 甚至

ours. that um, you know,

我們的。 嗯，你知道，

people do die in plain

平原上確實有人死亡

and helicopter crashes, but

和直升機墜毀，但

it could be seen by the

可以看到

running people. as 1 more

作為 1

sign of incompetence. It

是無能的表現。它

doesn't exactly go along

並不完全符合

with the movie saying that

電影說

God is on their side and

上帝站在他們一邊

that the US and Israel are

美國和以色列

Infidel, so I think it is

異教徒，所以我認為它是

actually discrediting it

實際上是在抹黑

might sound a little bit

聽起來有點

silly to say but they are.

說起來很傻，但確實如此。

constantly. and only

不斷地

speaking in religion. their

在宗教方面。

leadership only claims

領導層的唯一訴求

legitimacy.

合法性。

sounds bizarre in today's

在今天聽起來很奇怪

world. 20 Century. based on

世界。 20 世紀。

religion alone. and they

他們

claim that they they will

聲稱他們將

win because of their

因其

religious beliefs and that

宗教信仰和

the United States and the

美國和

West is evil. So I think

西方是邪惡的。所以我認為

it's discrediting and and

這是在詆譭

then the less kind of

那麼，越不

theoretical concept it it

理論概念

doesn't reflect the

不反映

competence of this country

這個國家的能力

this government I mean the

這個政府，我指的是

system that is running out

耗盡的系統

of water. it is can't keep

水。

things. cool as they have

酷，因為他們有

hotter and hotter Summers

越來越熱的夏天

they barely have

他們幾乎沒有

electricity. They're 1 of

電。 它們是

the largest producers of

的最大生產國

oil. and natural gas and the

石油、天然氣和

average Iranian can't afford.

普通伊朗人負擔不起。

gasoline and is struggling

汽油，並正在努力

to buy food. crashed is is

買食物。

discrediting and makes

詆譭並使

people. the doubts in this

人們。

regime. grow within the

制度。

country. and again this

這

information coming from the

來自

state-run media when it

國營媒體時

comes to being transparent.

透明。

uh, you know, when might we

呃，你知道，我們什麼時候

expect additional details

拭目以待

and just how accurate might

以及

they be. I mean, it's hard

他們是。我的意思是，這很難

to say but I mean you can't

但我的意思是你不能

cover up the if they did

如果他們做了掩蓋

in fact die, I mean it's

事實上是死了，我是說

good that we're being

很好，我們正在

careful about it. You can't

小心謹慎。你不能

cover up the

掩蓋

death of the president

總統逝世

and foreign minister, it's

和外交部長，這是

good that you know in the

好讓你在

next 24 hours. cover up

未來24小時。

the death of the president

總統逝世

and foreign minister. I think

和外交部長。我認為

that you know in the next

你知道的下一個

24 hours is probably much

24 小時可能更長

less will start to gain

開始減少

Clarity. They they

清晰。 它們

can't hide this. Um now

藏不住了現在

it's worth mentioning

值得一提的是

another high-ranking

另一位高級

official of Iran back in

伊朗官員早在

2017 Raph and suspicions

2017 拉斐爾與猜疑

were raised about following

提出了以下問題

and the fingers by his own

和他自己的手指

family seemed to

家庭似乎

be pointing at the regime

指向政權

itself. So there's even a

本身。是以，甚至還有

possibility somewhat remote,

這種可能性有點微乎其微、

but not far-fetched that

但並不牽強

this could have been some

這可能是一些

sort of assassination.

一種暗殺。

itself. So there's even a

本身。是以，甚至還有

possibility somewhat remote

可能性微乎其微

but not far-fetched that

但並不牽強

this could have been some

這可能是一些

sort of assassination attempt

某種刺殺企圖

if they survived or

如果他們倖存或

assassination they die.

暗殺，他們就會死去。

There could even be an

甚至可能有

element of Foul Play There

犯規因素

are definitely going to be

一定會

suspicions some legitimate

一些合理的懷疑

and some crazy in

和一些瘋狂的

in such a paranoid country

在這樣一個偏執的國家

because they have a murderous

因為他們殺人如麻

government. Remember this

政府。請記住這一點

president had the nickname of

總統的綽號是

the butcher. of Tehran for

德黑蘭的屠夫

the number probably in the

數字可能在

thousands of executions he

數以千計的處決

oversaw at the end of the

結束時的監督

1980s. He's he was known

1980s. 他被稱為

or still is known as The

或仍被稱為

Butcher of Taiwan. This is

臺灣屠夫這是

so in that kind of

是以，在這種

environment. There's all

環境。 所有

kinds of suspicions that

的各種懷疑

inevitably occur some well

不可避免地會出現一些

based and some unfounded.

有些是有根據的，有些是沒有根據的。

now according to reuter

據路透社報道

they're uh quoting the

他們引用了

interior Minister saying

內政部長說

that the state TV that

國家電視臺

only 1 of the helicopters

只有 1 架直升機

in a group of 3. had come

3 人一組。

down hard and that

用力向下，那

authorities were waiting.

當局正在等待。

for their details when

時獲取他們的詳細信息

you're talking about uh

你說的是

that 1 of 3 helicopters was

三架直升機中有一架

the only 1 that came down

唯一一個下來的

hard again We did see a

我們確實看到了一個

video that appeared to

該視頻似乎

show very foggy conditions.

顯示大霧瀰漫。

uh, you know, and and and

呃，你知道，還有還有

talking about again, uh, the

再次談到

conspiracy theories out

陰謀論

there. Do you extrapolate

在那裡 您是否推斷出

anything from that

從那以後

statement or again? Is

聲明還是再次聲明？ 是

this really just more of

這真的只是

a wait and see situation?

靜觀其變？

virtually a wait and see Um,

實際上是一種觀望、

if 1 of 3 helicopters in a

如果 3 架直升機中的 1 架在一個

convoy go down. That's a

車隊墜毀。這是一個

question. of who was on it

問題。

was the president and the

是總統和

foreign minister on the

外交部長就

same helicopter Are they

同一架直升機

down? They can't locate the

下來？他們找不到

helicopter which would be

直升機將

concerning although it's

儘管它

hard to be. feel bad for a

很難。

president. who's known as

總統。

the Butcher of Baghdad and

巴格達屠夫和

whose regime is responsible

誰的政權負責

for the death of so many.

這麼多人的死亡。

American soldiers and

美國士兵和

civilians. around the world

世界各地的平民

because Iran's largest state

因為伊朗最大的國家

sponsor terrorism, but um,

贊助恐怖主義，但

they don't seem to be

他們似乎不是

able to locate as far as

最遠

any reports that reached

的任何報告

here the president or

總統或

foreign minister you would

外交部長

think that there's

覺得有

communication there has to be

交流必須

communication. on the T

通信。

helicopters You would think

直升機

normally with the president

通常與總統

that there would be backup

有後備力量

communication, but

交流，但

not necessarily unlike this

未嘗不可

country part of the

國家的一部分

military. command and

軍事。

control. Um, and he can

控制。 嗯，他可以

sometimes even be almost

有時甚至幾乎

relegated.

降級。

and that according to the

而根據

Constitution but in fact

但事實上

almost relegated to

幾乎淪為

civilians to to to like a

平民

figurehead if the supreme

如果最高法院

leader come and he chooses

上司來了，他選擇了

because so much power is a

因為如此大的權力是

mass in that supreme

在那至高無上的

leader. Who's very very

領導者。誰是非常非常

aging so it is strange

衰老真奇怪

even in foggy conditions

即使在霧天

that they can't seem and

他們似乎無法

would be troubling if you

如果你

care about their health and

關心他們的健康和

it's hard to given the

鑑於

amount of deaths around

死亡人數

the region. Arab Israeli.

該地區。阿拉伯裔以色列人

American British Etc. leads

美國英國等線索

to that regime, but it's

但它

it it it's strange that

奇怪的是

they're not able to locate

他們找不到

or confirm that they're

或確認他們是

alive. Even that is

還活著 即使是

strange and that makes me

奇怪，這讓我

doubt that they're still

懷疑他們仍然