Shake It Off was a number one hit for Taylor Swift back in 2014, but she's hardly resting on her laurels.

2014 年，《Shake It Off》成為泰勒-斯威夫特（Taylor Swift）的第一主打歌，但她並不滿足於此。

Her hot new album is just one of the things we talked about when we visited her home in

她的新專輯正在熱賣中，這只是我們拜訪她位於紐約的家時所談論的話題之一。

Nashville for our Sunday Profile.

納什維爾的週日簡介

You might say this is Taylor Swift's happy place, at the piano in her Nashville home.

你可以說這是泰勒-斯威夫特在納什維爾家中彈鋼琴的快樂天地。

There have been so many songs I've written at this piano.

在這架鋼琴上，我寫了很多歌。

And it's off in the middle of the night?

而且是在半夜關機？

It's usually in the middle of the night.

通常是在半夜。

Or if I'm trying to get to sleep and I can't, and then I get an idea, I'm like, well, I'm not tired anyway.

或者，如果我想睡覺卻睡不著，然後我有了一個想法，我就會想，反正我也不累。

And then kind of wander over here.

然後在這裡漫步。

This is kind of a rare sight, not just because we were there.

這是一種罕見的景象，不僅僅是因為我們在那裡。

Haven't serenaded someone in a while.

好久沒給人唱小夜曲了。

Hope you know that.

希望你知道這一點。

But because for the moment, she was actually sitting still.

但因為此時此刻，她真的坐立不安。

And there never really has been another like Taylor Swift.

而像泰勒-斯威夫特（Taylor Swift）這樣的人還真是前無古人後無來者。

After only 13 years in the business, she's become a musical force of nature, with an armload of number one hits, more Grammy Awards than the Rolling Stones, and according to

入行僅 13 年，她就成為了音樂界的一股自然力量，擁有大量的冠軍單曲，獲得的格萊美獎比滾石樂隊還多。

Forbes, the distinction of being the highest paid celebrity on the planet.

福布斯》全球收入最高的名人。

By any measure, she's an amazing young woman, but there were times, she says, that being young and a woman worked against her.

無論從哪個角度看，她都是一位了不起的年輕女性，但她說，年輕和女性的身份有時會對她不利。

You're always going to have people going, did she write all her own songs?

總有人會問，她的歌都是自己寫的嗎？

Talking about your personal life, talking about your dating life.

談論你的私生活，談論你的約會生活。

There's a different vocabulary for men and women in the music industry, right?

在音樂界，男性和女性有不同的詞彙，對嗎？

Give me an example.

舉個例子

Okay.

好的

A man does something, it's strategic.

一個人做一件事，是有戰略意義的。

A woman does the same thing, it's calculated.

女人也會做同樣的事情，這是經過計算的。

A man is allowed to react, a woman can only overreact.

男人可以有反應，女人只能反應過度。

And it seems her usual reaction is to get to work.

而她通常的反應似乎是開始工作。

Taylor Swift writes or co-writes all of her songs.

泰勒-斯威夫特（Taylor Swift）的所有歌曲都是自己創作或與他人共同創作的。

What's more, her music videos are all her vision, from the pastel wonderland in me, to the giant dollhouse in her latest video, Lover.

更重要的是，她的音樂錄影帶都是她的創意，從《我》中的粉彩仙境，到最新錄影帶《情人》中的巨型娃娃屋。

Lover is also the title track of her critically acclaimed new studio album, her seventh.

Lover 也是她廣受好評的第七張錄音室新專輯的主打歌。

She wrote the song on her piano at home and polished it up in the studio.

她在家裡用鋼琴寫了這首歌，然後在錄音室裡打磨。

This is her video taken on her cell phone.

這是她用手機拍攝的視頻。

And once she recorded the music, Taylor, and her cats, went to Hollywood to make the music video.

錄製完音樂後，泰勒和她的貓咪們就去好萊塢拍攝音樂視頻。

And she invited us along to watch.

她還邀請我們一起觀看。

Okay, so when I come on to one of these sets, my heart is racing, I'm so excited, it's so cool.

好吧，當我來到其中一個場景時，我的心跳加速，我太激動了，太酷了。

Yeah, definitely.

是的，當然。

You?

你？

Absolutely.

當然可以。

And, action!

還有，行動！

There's a love story here.

這裡有一個愛情故事。

And like a lot of Taylor's work, it's an echo of her real life.

就像泰勒的許多作品一樣，這也是她真實生活的寫照。

Born in Redding, Pennsylvania, Taylor Swift discovered her love for music as a toddler.

泰勒-斯威夫特出生於賓夕法尼亞州雷丁，在蹣跚學步時就發現了自己對音樂的熱愛。

She set her sights on a career in country music, and eventually her parents and younger brother moved to Nashville to help her do it.

她立志從事鄉村音樂事業，最終父母和弟弟搬到了納什維爾幫助她實現夢想。

My brothers are real bro for doing that.

我的兄弟們都是真正的好兄弟。

Yeah, they all upended their lives.

是啊，他們都顛覆了自己的生活。

For sure.

當然。

It worked out well.

結果很好。

Yeah, I buy them lots of presents.

是啊，我給他們買了很多禮物。

The rest reads like a fantasy.

其餘部分讀起來就像天方夜譚。

Taylor Swift became a country music phenomenon, and in the last few years, a pop icon.

泰勒-斯威夫特（Taylor Swift）成為鄉村音樂的現象級人物，最近幾年又成為流行音樂的偶像。

But the superstar is, by her own admission, as emotionally fragile as any other 20-something.

但這位超級巨星自己也承認，她和其他 20 多歲的年輕人一樣情感脆弱。

I'm still someone who is the first to apologize when I'm wrong, and I think, but I think I'm better at standing up for myself when I've been wronged.

我仍然是一個在做錯事時第一個道歉的人，我想，但我覺得我更善於在受到委屈時站出來為自己辯護。

So that's something that I think also comes with growing up.

是以，我認為這也是成長過程中會遇到的問題。

Which brings us to Scooter Braun.

這就是斯庫特-布勞恩。

Yeah.

是啊

Earlier this summer, Scooter Braun, a talent agent with whom Swift says she has a contentious relationship, acquired the rights to her previous recordings, her masters, when his company bought Scott Borchetta's Big Machine label group for a reported $300 million.

今年夏天早些時候，斯威夫特的經紀人斯庫特-布勞恩（Scooter Braun）以 3 億美元的價格收購了斯科特-博切塔（Scott Borchetta）的 Big Machine 唱片集團，並獲得了斯威夫特之前錄製的唱片的版權，也就是她的母帶。

Borchetta, who worked with Swift for years, says she and those close to her, including her dad, who was an investor, knew about the deal in advance, and that Swift had previously been offered the chance to buy her own masters.

與斯威夫特共事多年的博爾切塔說，她和她身邊的人，包括身為投資人的父親，都事先知道這筆交易，而且斯威夫特之前也曾有機會買下自己的母公司。

She remembers it differently.

她的記憶不一樣。

And so you didn't see it coming?

所以你沒有預料到？

No.

不

So how did you find out?

你是怎麼發現的？

I found out when it was online, like when it hit the news.

我是在網上發現的，比如新聞報道的時候。

Nobody in your inner circle knew?

你的核心圈子裡沒人知道嗎？

Nobody knew.

沒人知道

And you didn't smell it?

你沒聞到嗎？

No.

不

I knew he would sell my music.

我知道他會賣掉我的音樂。

I knew he would do that.

我就知道他會這麼做。

I couldn't believe who he sold it to, because we've had endless conversations about Scooter

我簡直不敢相信他把它賣給了誰，因為我們一直在談論斯庫特。

Braun.

布勞恩

And he has 300 million reasons to conveniently forget those conversations.

他有 3 億個理由可以輕鬆地忘記這些對話。

Now could you rerecord?

現在你能重新錄音嗎？

Oh, yeah.

哦，是的

Might you do that?

你能這樣做嗎？

Oh, yeah.

哦，是的

That's a plan?

這就是計劃？

Yeah, absolutely.

是的，當然。

Scooter Braun may not agree with her side of the story, but he did reach out to Swift in a tweet last week, calling her new album brilliant.

斯庫特-布勞恩（Scooter Braun）可能不同意她的說法，但他上週確實在推特上向斯威夫特伸出了援手，稱她的新專輯非常出色。

Oh, my God.

我的天啊

OK, I'm going to do it, I guess.

好吧，我就這麼辦吧。

It's clear that she wants to control her music.

很明顯，她想控制自己的音樂。

If anybody is watching this, thank you so much.

如果有人正在收看，非常感謝。

In fact, when it's time to release one of her new songs, she does it personally, talking to her fans live on Instagram.

事實上，每當要發佈新歌時，她都會親自上陣，在 Instagram 上與粉絲們現場交流。

But I'm really excited about sharing this with you, because you've really been there for me, and you've made my life what it is.

但我真的很高興能與你們分享這些，因為你們真的一直在我身邊，是你們成就了我的生活。

This personal connection has earned her a loyal following.

這種個人聯繫為她贏得了一批忠實的追隨者。

But her openness comes at a price.

但她的開放是有代價的。

She's followed just about everywhere she goes these days, by people who are crazy about her, or just plain crazy.

這些天，她走到哪裡都有人跟著，有的人為她瘋狂，有的只是單純的瘋狂。

Where is home for you now?

你現在的家在哪裡？

It's a very good question.

這是一個非常好的問題。

I try not to ever really say where I am the most, because since all my addresses are on the Internet, people tend to show up uninvited, like, you know, dudes that think we have an imaginary marriage.

我儘量不說我最常去的地方，因為我所有的地址都在網上，人們往往會不請自來，比如，你知道的，那些認為我們有假想婚姻的傢伙。

You mentioned that you keep wound dressing with you?

您提到您隨身攜帶傷口敷料？

Yeah, I've had a lot of stalkers show up to the house armed.

是啊，有很多跟蹤者都是帶著武器來我家的。

So we have to think that way.

是以，我們必須這樣想。

And she's come under attack in other ways.

她還在其他方面受到攻擊。

You need only glance at the tabloids to see some very well-publicized feuds.

您只需瀏覽一下小報，就能看到一些廣為人知的恩怨情仇。

And she often hits back at her haters through her music.

她還經常通過音樂回擊討厭她的人。

For instance, in You Need to Calm Down, she calls out anti-gay protesters and online trolls.

例如，在《你需要冷靜下來》一書中，她痛斥反同志抗議者和網絡巨魔。

I'm curious, because I feel like almost every album you have a song where you address the haters, at least one song, sometimes more than one song.

我很好奇，因為我覺得你幾乎每張專輯都有一首歌是針對仇敵的，至少一首，有時不止一首。

I probably do have that habit.

我可能確實有這個習慣。

I imagine that I might have that habit, yeah.

我想我可能有這個習慣，是的。

Why is that?

為什麼會這樣？

Why sing to the haters?

為什麼要對著討厭的人唱歌？

Well, when they stop coming for me, I will stop singing to them.

好吧，當他們不再來找我的時候，我也不會再給他們唱歌了。

You know, people go on and on about, like, you have to forgive and forget to move past something.

你知道，人們總是喋喋不休地說你必須原諒和忘記，才能走出陰影。

No, you don't.

不，你沒有。

You don't have to forgive, and you don't have to forget to move on.

你不一定要原諒，也不一定要忘記才能繼續前進。

You can move on without any of those things happening.

你可以繼續前進，而不會發生任何這些事情。

You just become indifferent, and then you move on.

你會變得無動於衷，然後繼續前進。

Do you believe in forgiveness?

你相信寬恕嗎？

Yes, absolutely.

是的，當然。

Like, for people that are important in your life who have added, you know, who have enriched your life and made it better, and also there's been some struggle and some bad stuff too.

比如，你生命中重要的人，他們豐富了你的生活，讓你的生活更美好，同時也有一些掙扎和不好的事情。

But I think that, you know, if something's toxic, and it's only ever really been that, what are you going to do?

但我認為，你知道，如果某些東西是有毒的，而且它一直都是有毒的，那你該怎麼辦？

Just move on.

繼續前進。

It's like, just move on.

這就像，繼續前進。

It's fine.

沒關係。

In doctor's office lighting, I didn't tell you I was scared.

在醫生辦公室的燈光下，我沒有告訴你我很害怕。

Taylor Swift's music is always personal, sometimes intensely so.

泰勒-斯威夫特的音樂總是充滿個人色彩，有時甚至非常強烈。

There's one song on the album called Soon You'll Get Better that it's, I can't even really hear, I can't even listen to it.

專輯中有一首歌叫《Soon You'll Get Better》，我都聽不太清楚，甚至聽不下去。

She won't talk specifically about her inspiration, but it comes at a time when her mother Andrea, who was battling cancer, suffered a relapse.

她不願具體談及自己的靈感來源，但這正值她的母親 Andrea 癌症復發。

It's really interesting because I don't think I have written a song quite like that before, and it's just sort of like, it's just a tough one.

這真的很有趣，因為我覺得我以前從未寫過這樣的歌，這就像是一首很難寫的歌。

I can imagine, but I can also tell you, having listened to it, that it's universal.

我可以想象，但我也可以告訴你，聽過之後，它具有普遍性。

It's just not something that we deal with until we have to, until we see it, until we experience it, until someone close to us is going through something like that.

除非我們不得不去面對，除非我們親眼目睹，除非我們親身經歷，除非我們身邊的人正在經歷類似的事情，否則我們是不會去面對的。

And so writing about it was really emotional, and I'm just going to stop talking about it now.

所以寫這篇文章的時候，我真的很激動，我現在不想再說下去了。

I understand.

我明白。

Oh yeah, feel the temperature?

對了，感覺到溫度了嗎？

It's warm.

很溫暖

It's fine.

沒關係。

Andrea is a lot more comfortable here, where she can plunge into her work.

在這裡，安德烈婭可以更加自如地投入工作。

This glass tank will become a symbolic fishbowl in the music video.

在音樂視頻中，這個玻璃缸將成為一個象徵性的魚缸。

I very often times remark that my life is like a fishbowl, and that like, if I were to like fall in love, you know, somebody's choosing to be in that fishbowl with me.

我經常說，我的生活就像一個魚缸，如果我墜入愛河，就會有人選擇和我一起待在那個魚缸裡。

To jump into the fishbowl with you.

和你一起跳進魚缸。

To jump into the fishbowl with me and live in that world just with me, and you know.

和我一起跳進魚缸，和我一起生活在那個世界裡，你知道嗎？

It's not as depressing as it sounds, I promise.

我保證，這並不像聽起來那麼令人沮喪。

It's just a figurative, it's just symbolic.

這只是一個比喻，只是象徵。

Talk about fishbowls.

說到魚缸。

She's been dating British actor Joe Alwyn for three years.

她與英國男演員喬-阿爾文（Joe Alwyn）已交往三年。

Seems he's up for a swim.

看來他想游泳了。

Couldn't you just computer generate this and not jump in?

你就不能直接用電腦生成，而不插手嗎？

I don't know.

我不知道。

Couldn't we have done this on the, well, yeah, we'll never know.

難道我們就不能在......嗯，是的，我們永遠不會知道。

Alright.

好吧。

We could let our friends crash in the living room.

我們可以讓朋友們在客廳裡過夜。

At the moment, Taylor Swift is, well, fully immersed in today.

目前，泰勒-斯威夫特完全沉浸在今天的生活中。

Beyond that, she says she doesn't know and doesn't want to.

除此之外，她說她不知道，也不想知道。

Do you think about, you know, what am I going to do in 20, 30 years?

你有沒有想過，20 年、30 年後我要做什麼？

No, because that puts me into what I call like a panic spiral.

不，因為這會讓我陷入所謂的恐慌漩渦。

Like I cannot do that.

好像我做不到一樣。

I've never been able to do that.

我從來都做不到這一點。

Why?

為什麼？

It just freaks me out.

這讓我很害怕。

When I zoom out too far, I freak out.

當我把鏡頭拉得太遠時，我就會抓狂。

Do I know where I'm going to be or even want to be in 20 years?

我知道 20 年後我會在哪裡，甚至想在哪裡嗎？

Absolutely not.

絕對不行。

Like, not taking a single day for granted.

比如，不把任何一天視為理所當然。

So how far ahead do you look?

那麼，你的目光有多遠？

Six months.

六個月

That's about it.

僅此而已。

Just because I have to plan shows and stuff.

只是因為我要策劃演出什麼的。

But I don't know what I'll do after this album, and I think that's great.

但我不知道這張專輯之後我會做什麼，我覺得這很好。

I tell myself, like, it's actually really ungrateful to just assume that you have 20 years.

我告訴自己，如果你認為自己還有 20 年的時間，那就太不知足了。

Like, be stoked that you have today.

比如，為你有今天而感到高興。