my theory is because early humans, like the men, as far as I'm concerned, hunted.

我的理論是，因為早期人類在我看來，就像男人們打獵一樣。

I mean, is there a reason why the men were the ones hunting?

我的意思是，男人去狩獵有什麼原因嗎？

Probably because they were stronger.

可能是因為他們更強壯。

Hi, I'm Nanta.

你好，我是 Nanta。

Hi, I'm Willow.

嗨，我是 Willow。

Willow? Nice to meet you.

Willow？很高興見到你。

Hi, I'm Brianna.

嗨，我是 Brianna。

Hey, Brianna, I'm Nanta.

嘿，Brianna，我是 Nanta。

- Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you.

- 很高興見到你。- 很高興見到你。

Okay, so can I start asking questions?

好了，我可以開始提問了嗎？

Mom, you said, think of some questions and be prepared. I'm prepared.

媽媽，你說過，要想一些問題並做好準備。我已經準備好了。

Do you know why we're here today?

你知道我們今天為什麼在這裡嗎？

Not really.

不知道。

Not really, okay.

不知道，好吧。

I think it has something to do with like, gender non-binary?

我想這跟非二元性別有關？

Or non-conforming.

或非常規性別。

Yeah. Yeah, both, yeah so gender non-conforming and non-binary.

是啊，都是對，所以是非常規性別也是非二元性別。

What's gender non-conforming?

什麼是非常規性別？

Well, what do you think it is?

你覺得是什麼？

Something about gender, 'cause I hear the word "gender" in it.

關於性別，因為我聽到了「性別」這個詞。

Do I look like a girl to you?

你覺得我像女孩嗎？

Yes.

是的。

Well, what if I told you, that sometimes though, I feel more like a boy?

如果我告訴你，有時，我覺得自己更像一個男孩？

That's okay.

沒關係。

So binary, boy and a girl.

二元，男孩和女孩。

So non-binary, meaning...that's...

所以，非二元，意味著......那是

The opposite. - Yeah, exactly, that's a bunch of croc, right?

恰恰相反。- 沒錯，真混亂，對嗎？

You can be one end, the other end, or anywhere in between.

你可以是一端，也可以是另一端，或者介於兩者之間。

That's interesting.

這很有趣。

But confusing.

但令人困惑。

So, let's really start getting into some questions.

那麼，讓我們開始討論一些問題吧。

Do you wish you were raised not as a girl but just Nanta?

你是否希望自己從小就不是一個女孩，而只是 Nanta？

Yes, totally, it would have been great to just be marked like, x-gender.

是的，完全正確，那會很棒，只是被標記為 X 性別。

You know, not boy, not girl.

你知道，不是男孩，也不是女孩。

Coming into my own skin later in life would have been a lot more easier.

在以後的生活中融入我自己的皮膚會容易得多。

Did you always know you're a girl?

你一直都知道自己是個女孩嗎？

- Yeah. - Okay.

- 對的。- 好喔。

Has that ever changed for you, or...?

你有沒有改變過，或者......？

- No. - No.

- 沒有。- 沒有。

How did you know you were a girl?

你怎麼知道自己是個女孩？

I feel it in my body.

我的身體感覺就是。

Yeah.

是啊。

I'm a boy, not a girl.

我是男孩，不是女孩。

But people think he's a girl.

但人們認為他是個女孩。

Oh, so people think you're a girl?

哦，所以人們認為你是個女孩？

I've been called a girl, I think 309 times now?

我被叫過 309 次 「女孩」吧？

And I like my hair out just how it is.

我喜歡我頭髮的樣子。

What makes a boy a boy?

男孩為什麼是男孩？

An X and a Y chromosome.

一條 X 染色體和一條 Y 染色體。

Oh, wow.

哦，哇。

So like, is there anything to name, like on the outside of somebody that makes them a boy?

所以，就像，有什麼名字，就像在一個人的外表，使他們成為一個男孩？

Like um...

比如...

Genitalia?

生殖器？

What?

什麼？

Yeah.

是啊。

No, that's also genetics, but like...

不，這也是遺傳學，但就像...

Well, yeah, but like, that's on the outside, I'm just saying.

嗯，是的，但就像，那是我只是說說而已。

Are we talking about like...

我們說的是......

- Like, looking? - Emotions?

- 比如，外表？- 情緒？

- Or like, emotional? Or like, hormonal, or like, genetical? Genetics. - Or like, feelings?

- 還是情緒化？還是荷爾蒙分泌旺盛還是遺傳學？遺傳。- 還是感覺？

I don't know where we're going.

我不知道我們要的方向是什麼。

Yeah.

是的。

Have you ever heard about like, how people try to say like, pink is a girl thing?

你聽說過嗎？人們怎麼會說粉色是女孩子的東西？

And then like how, blue is like a boy color?

還有，藍色是男孩的顏色嗎？

Yeah, I hear about that even though blue is one of my favorite colors.

是的，我聽說過，即使藍色是我最喜歡的顏色之一。

Yeah, right.

是啊，沒錯。

So you see how confusing that could feel like?

所以，你明白這種感覺有多令人困惑了吧？

When it's like, I wanna do this and that.

我想做這做那。

If a parent offers the option with no bias, "Hey, you can play with this doll or you can play with this ball."

如果家長不帶偏見地提供選擇：「嘿，你可以玩這個娃娃或者你也可以玩這個球。」

And the boy chooses the ball, my theory is because early humans, like the men, as far as I'm concerned, hunted.

男孩選擇球，我的理論是因為早期的人類，在我看來，這就是狩獵。

And so it's sort of like genetically, men prefer things that move you around.

所以這有點像遺傳，男人更喜歡能讓你移動的東西。

I don't know, that's like completely a theory in terms of..

我不知道，這完全是一種理論。

I mean, is there a reason why the men were the ones hunting?

我的意思是，是否有理由為什麼打獵的是男人？

Probably because they were stronger.

可能是因為他們更強壯。

And I think that's where I'm kind of am like, ugh really? I'm strong, why can't I be a hunter, too?

我就會想真的嗎？我很強壯，為什麼就不能當獵人呢？

Well, yeah, but like, in terms of muscle mass, men have like, and I mean, they probably weren't thinking about that.

嗯，是的，但就肌肉品質而言，我是說，他們可能沒有想到這一點。

Does your family ever get mad at you for what you want to identify?

你的家人有沒有對你的性別認同發過脾氣？

Oh yeah.

哦有喔。

I think it's different now that I'm an adult, but growing up, my mom would force me to wear a dress that I don't really want to wear.

我覺得現在不同了，我已經成年了，但在我成長的過程中，媽媽會強迫我 穿一件我並不想穿的衣服。

I don't really like wearing dresses or skirts, too.

我也不太喜歡穿裙子或短裙。

So I feel really uncomfortable when I'm wearing this skirt.

所以，穿上這條裙子，我感覺很不舒服。

Yeah. But did you get to choose your outfit today?

是啊。但你今天的衣服是自己選的嗎？

No.

不是。

So, you know exactly how I feel then.

所以，你很清楚我的感受。

- Yeah. - Ugh.

- 是啊。

How do you know if somebody's gender non-conforming?

你怎麼知道某人是是非常規性別？

Is it okay to ask somebody what their gender is?

詢問某人的性別可以嗎？

So, it's a lot better to ask about the person's pronouns.

所以詢問對方的性別認同代名詞會好很多。

That would be like, he or she or they?

像是他、她、還是無性他？

Right. Versus, if I said,

對。如果我說，

What's your gender?

你的性別是什麼？

Yeah, what's your gender?

對，你的性別是什麼？

Are you a boy or are you a girl?

你是男孩還是女孩？

Seems like you are very interested in knowing. - Yeah, yeah.

看來你很感興趣。- 是啊，是啊。

So have you ever been confused by using they/them as a pronoun for someone?

那麼，你有沒有困惑過用「無性他」作為某人的性別認同代名詞？

I mean, sometimes it can be confusing, but I also have to remember that that's the pronouns that they've chosen and I need to respect that.

我的意思是，有時會讓人感到困惑，但我還得記住，那是他們選擇的代名詞，我必須尊重他們。

I've noticed, someone in my class first period has the pronouns that they would like on their backpack.

我注意到，我們班第一節課有人揹包上有他們想要被稱呼的代名詞。

Oh, really? Oh, that's cool.

哦，真的嗎？哦，真酷。

I've been to the Philippines.

我去過菲律賓。

Oh, I like the Philippines.

哦，我喜歡菲律賓。

Oh, you've been there, too? - Yeah.

哦，你也去過那裡？- 我去過。

Yeah, that's where my family's from, and...

是的，我家人就是從那裡來的。

Where my mom's from.

我媽媽的家鄉。

Okay.

好的。

They use the term "siya."

他們使用 "siya "一詞。

So "siya" is like all encompassing of every gender.

所以，"siya "就像是包含了所有性別。

You know. - That's pretty cool.

你知道。- 這很酷。

Yeah.

是的。

There's a girl who works at my tutoring center and she goes by they/them,

有個女孩在我的輔導中心工作她的性別認同代名詞是 they/them，

and then a lot of times I'll, like I just didn't call she, and then I'm like, "Oh wait, no. I'm sorry."

然後很多時候，我會，就像我只是沒有叫「她」，然後我想， 「哦，等等。對不起。」

Yeah.

是啊。

Does she ever- er, sorry, see even I made that mistake.

她有沒有呃，對不起，我也犯了這個錯誤。

Do they ever address it with like, or correct people who may use a different pronoun for them?

他們是否曾用或者糾正可能對他們使用不同代名詞的人？

No, but somebody else might.

沒有，但其他人可能會。

How does being non-binary affect your day-to-day life?

非二元身份對你的日常生活有什麼影響？

Looking for a job, there's times where before going into an interview,

找工作時，有時在面試之前，

I totally just want to wear these slacks and a button up shirt,

我真想穿上這條休閒褲和一件鈕釦襯衫、

but will it be more likely to get the job if I wore a dress suit or something, you know?

但是否更有可能獲得工作如果我穿上禮服套裝什麼的，你知道嗎？

Why is gender such a big deal?

性別為何如此重要？

You know, sometimes I wish it really wasn't.

你知道，有時候我真希望不是這樣。

How do you feel about, is it a big deal to you?

你怎麼看，這對你來說是件大事嗎？

No, I just figure like why can't they just be a person?

不，我只是在想，為什麼他們就不能是一個人呢？

Yeah.

是啊。

Do you all think gender is a big deal?

你們都認為性別是件大事嗎？

No.

不。

Well, I mean, if someone was identified as neither boy nor girl, it's not a big deal to me if they were in between but like, gender is a big part of who you are.

我的意思是，如果有人被指認不男不女，對我來說沒什麼大不了的，如果他們介於兩者之間，但是性別是你的重要組成部分。

That's real, yeah. Thanks.

是真的。謝謝。

Do you like handshakes?

你喜歡握手嗎？

- Yeah. - Okay.

- 好的。- 好喔。

Oh, I'm sorry.

哦，對不起。

And boop.

還有哺。