I think Manchester United's different principles than most of the other clubs.

我覺得是曼聯跟多數其它俱樂部不同的原則。

I would really like football to be where money was not always going to be the key.

我真心希望足球不再是金錢代表一切的環境。

To have a consistency about your team is, you need to have a team.

如果要球隊擁有一致性，你得先有個團隊。

I think the biggest problem for Manchester United is Manchester City.

我認為曼聯最大的問題是曼城。

You managed Everton; you went to Manchester United⏤didn't go well.

你擔任過艾佛頓足球俱樂部教練，之後去了曼聯，不太順利。

In that period after, even though you're at the very top of the game...

在那之後的時期，儘管你是在職涯的巔峰，

... did you doubt yourself in a post-Manchester United⏤

你曾否對曼聯之後的自己存疑？

By my pause, (it) might make you think yes.

我的停頓或許會讓你覺得我答案是肯定的。

But I didn't doubt that I was actually... I... I felt that I could do do the job; I could be good at it.

但我並未懷疑我其實⋯⋯我覺得我可以勝任、可以做好。

I felt as if I could.

我覺得我好像可以。

I, my work on the grass was... was good enough to⏤

我在球場上的成就好到足以⋯⋯

For where I had been, I had success years before, so, I was always trying to say,

我當時的立場是，我在那之前有了多年成功，所以我總試著說，

"It didn't go quite well this 10 months; why did it not go well?"

「這 10 個月不太順利，為什麼會不順利？」

"Was it how I managed, was it how I coached, was it⏤maybe I didn't have the right players;" I had to try and look to see what there is.

「是我帶球隊的方式、我當教練的方法、或許我沒有用對球員」，我得試著找到問題點。

But the other part of the 10 or 11 years, I'd seen some great players that have been in FA cup finals.

但在那 10 到 11 年間的其它時候，我見證了許多偉大球員進入英格蘭足總盃決賽。

I'd... I'd got to quarter finals, the European competition, wherever⏤we'd qualified for the Champions League one year.

我進入八強賽、歐足總歐洲聯賽等等，我們某一年還取得了歐洲冠軍聯賽的資格。

So, I was thinking, as well, was I going to maybe say that was all no good, then, the years we'd done it.

所以我也在想，我是否也該說，我們做到這些的那些年是否也都不夠好。

So, I think once I put it in perspective, then I said, "No, I'm not... I'm not doubting it."

一但我用正確的解度思考時，我就告訴自己「不，我並未懷疑」。

But what I do think is⏤I think... I think most days, you have to get up and be ready to sort of challenge yourself every day.

但我的確認為，多數日子，你都必須一早起床就準備好挑戰自己。

I don't... I don't think you can get out of bed every morning and think,

我不認為你可以一早起床就想著：

"Hey, this is fine, you know, I'm... I'm doing OK here."

「這很好，我在這裡表現很不錯。」

I think every day, you're sort of getting up and saying this, you know,

我覺得你每天都該問自己：

"How am I gonna try and be better? How can I make people better? What am I⏤how can I make a difference today with what I've got?"

「我該怎麼試著讓自己更好？可以怎麼讓他人更好？我今天可以怎麼利用我擁有的做出改變？」

Paranoid, almost.

幾乎有點疑心病了。

Yeah, near enough, near enough to an extent where you're saying is, you know, I can't⏤

是的，很接近，接近的程度到你不能——

No, your folk⏤folks say, "Do you bring your work home?"

總會有人問：「你會把工作帶回家嗎？」

I... I really think if you're in... if you're in the⏤the boss, if you're the boss, you're always bringing your work home because it's not...

我真心認為，如果你是老闆，你總是會把工作帶回家，因為那不是⋯⋯

you're not just taking⏤putting your hat off and saying, "I'm leaving that in the office and I'll pick it up in the morning."

你不會只是把頭銜摘下，然後說：「我先把這放在辦公室，明天早上再繼續。」

I think very rarely you're doing that; I think that's just life if you're... if you're a CEO or a boss.

我覺得很少會做到那樣，而如果你是執行長或是老闆，那就是你的人生。

I very much agree; I very much agree with the idea of taking the work.

我非常認同把工作帶回家的這個想法。

And, also, when things don't go wrong, in hindsight, everybody's quick to diagnose why it didn't go wrong.

此外，如果一切都進展順利，每個人都會回顧並想快速分析為何沒出錯。

Has the subsequent 10 years, where everyone has failed at Manchester United, felt good?

在那之後 10 年間，所有在曼聯的人都失敗這件事，會讓你感覺良好嗎？

Because everyone has failed; José's failed, van Gaal went there, you went there.

因為每個人都失敗了：若瑟·穆里尼奧失敗了、路易斯·范加爾也是，你也名列其中。

I'm missing someone, I think I'm missing som⏤I mean, Carrick was in.

我好像漏掉了一些人，我是說，卡里克也擔任過教練。

- Ole was in it. - Ole, yeah, Ole was in it; he failed as well.

- 奧萊也是。 - 奧萊，對，奧萊也擔任過教練，也失敗了。

So, that's, you know, five or six great... great managers who... who couldn't make it work at Manchester United, for whatever reason.

所以說，總共有五、六名偉大的教練，因為不知道什麼原因，無法讓曼聯成功。

- So, I think, time has almost been good to you, in terms of your... the story of the time. - Yeah.

- 所以我認為時間之於你在那段時間的故事是正面的。 - 是。

Look, I'm... I⏤huge respect for José Mourinho, huge respect for Louis Van Gaal.

是這樣的，我非常尊敬若瑟·穆里尼奧和路易斯·范加爾。

You know, Ole was new, and is one of... one of Manchester United's own.

奧萊當時是新手，也是曼聯自己的前球員。

So, (he) was always gonna be given every opportunity to try and make it work as well.

所以他一定會被給予任何試著讓球隊成功的機會。

So, I think that... I think there's been some great managers going into Manchester United.

所以我認為曾經有一些偉大的教練進入了曼聯。

I think the biggest problem for Manchester United is Manchester City.

我認為曼聯最大的問題是曼城。

How do we fi⏤I'm a Manchester United fan; season ticket holder.

我們該如何——我是曼聯的球迷，買了季票。

How, from your experience, do we get things back to how they were?

根據你的經驗，我們如何讓事情恢復原貌？

I think you'll need to, probably, get rid of Pep somehow from Manchester City; I think that's my... that's my way.

我想你大概得想辦法讓佩普退出曼城，我覺得⋯⋯那是我的方法。

I would say⏤I think... I think Pep is... I think there is some managers, I think⏤

我會說，我認為佩普是⋯⋯我覺得有些教練——

But you must have an unbelievable perspective, better than me, at, like, what⏤

但你一定比我擁有更不可置信的觀點，像是如何——

Because you knew Fergie, you knew the club, everything; you've been inside it.

因為你認識佛格森爵士、也了解球隊的一切，你曾經在其中。

What... what do we need to do to get back to...?

我們需要做什麼才能回到⋯⋯？

I think Manchester United (had) different principles than most of the other clubs.

我認為曼聯的原則不同，比其他大多數警察看了，用了很多。

Looked to deduce a lot.

很常參考推斷數據。

Didn't always sign, maybe, the, as I said before, maybe the top diamond; always, sort of, picked and picked out good players who improved.

並不總會簽下我先前提的頂尖球員，而是挑選會進步的好球員。

And now and again, went and bought a Cantona every so often or van Nistelrooy, van Persie at different times, you know.

我們偶爾會在不同時期簽下像是坎通納、范尼斯特魯伊或范佩西等大牌球星。

So, at different times, they... they bought really good players at good times.

所以在不同時期，他們買了在鼎盛時期的好球員。

This is actually a really good point because we've also bought some world-class players, and they've all failed.

這其實是非常好的論點，因為我們也買過一些世界級的球員，但他們都失敗了。

So, there is... there is something about⏤Manchester United had their own way, but because of the competition, which came in from Manchester City, Chelsea, probably, more in the... in the earlier years.

所以，有一種——曼聯有它自己的方式，但因為像是曼城以及早前切爾西足球俱樂部的競爭。

I think those two clubs⏤I think... I think Liverpool have had an incredible period and got a really good manager as well, and top players.

我認為這兩個俱樂部——我也認為利物浦有了很輝煌的時期以及很好的教練還有球員。

- I think⏤ - I think, over the years, Man United and Liverpool (have) always had a level of competition against each other.

- 我認為—— - 我覺得在這些年間，曼聯和利物浦一直有著某種程度的競爭對立。

People say we've not spent money in terms of players.

人們說我們在球員方面沒有花錢。

- We've spent shit loads of money; we spent almost a billion or whatever. - Huge, huge.

- 我們花了超多錢，大概有十億左右。 - 很多錢。

And all these players⏤I remember the Falcaos, the Di Marias⏤ I get excited every time, and I celebrate and I start blowing up my friends' WhatsApp chats and saying, "You screwed; we're gonna win the league."

而這些球員——我還記得有過像是法爾考和迪馬利亞之類的人，我每次都會很興奮地慶祝並用 WhatsApp 砲轟朋友們，跟他們說：「你們慘了，我們這屆英超贏定了。」

And then, every year, that... the player fails and then the manager's sacked.

然後每一年，球員都會失利、總教練被開除。

So, it feels like a bit of a...

所以感覺有點像是⋯⋯

It's the expectation or the excitement on the new players coming in.

那是新球員加入之後的期待或是興奮感。

I... I get this all the time.

我經常遇到這種情況。

I say this quite a lot, to people here in media, you know, talking about, "Oh, you need to buy new players; will we buy new players?"

我常跟那些說「你們需要多買點球員、我們會買新球員嗎？」的媒體這麼說。

And, actually, I...

而實際上，我⋯⋯

I... I would really like football to be where money was not always going to be the key to...

我真心希望足球不再是金錢代表一切的環境。

You know, we think the more players you s⏤the more money you spend means that you win the league, that you're successful.

你懂嗎？我們認為球員越——你花越多錢就表示你會贏得冠軍、你就成功了。

And look, I think it probably will prove that it is, but I'd rather see that, you know, sometimes that it's not that way.

事實也可能證明是如此，但我寧可看到有時候不是這樣的狀況。

And I just do think that, quite often, you know, not buying all the top⏤it doesn't mean that you have to buy the top.

我只是認為，很多時候，不買頂尖——這不表示你需要簽下頂尖球員。

I think it's buying good players and people who have got good characters and people who are going to... going to work hard for the team.

我認為是簽下好球員、個性好的人，以及願意為球隊努力的人。

- And then... and then they come into that culture, which makes one... - Yes.

- 然後他們就加入了這種文化，造成⋯⋯ - 沒錯。

- Which makes the difference⏤Yeah. - One plus one equals three, like Leicester that year.

- 會產生改變，對。 - 就像萊斯特城足球俱樂部那年一加一等於三的狀況。

Leicester and the year they had was probably what we're all hoping for, whether it be us and⏤now you're seeing other clubs, I mean, actually Newcastle United, for example,

萊斯特城足球俱樂部的那一年大概是所有人都希望可以發生在自己身上的是，現在也有其它像是紐卡索聯足球俱樂部等球隊，

Newcastle United bought a couple of, with respect, three or four English players last January, British players, probably not necessarily on the radar of the biggest clubs in the country.

恕我直言，紐卡索聯足球俱樂部去年一月買了幾個英國球員，他們大概都不是國內最大俱樂部關注的對象。

And... and they've turned around and they've had a great⏤they've had an incredible momentum from, probably, January last year, maybe just before January, and are keeping that momentum going.

但他們翻了身，從去年一月就開始有了很棒的表現，甚至可能是一月前，然後持續了這樣的表現。

And now they're bringing in⏤they're adding in the odd bigger star or the bigger players to go along.

現在他們也在發展中帶入了幾位大球星。

But I thought the business at the start was very good.

但我認為一開始的經營方式很好。

If I'm one of your players in your dressing room⏤to be a David Moyes player at West Ham, and...

如果我是大衛・莫耶斯之下西漢姆足球會的球員，

What would, from a character and a personality standpoint, your expectation be of me?

就特質和個性的觀點，你對我會有什麼期待？

So that I fit into the culture and I'm successful.

讓我可以融入其文化並成功。

I'd... I'd want you to be... I'd like you to be hardworking.

我會想要⋯⋯我會希望你能夠努力。

I want you to be honest in your endeavor.

我希望你能在努力中保持誠實。

I... no, I'd... I'd want you to do your jobs, if you want.

我希望你們能就自己的意願做好自己份內工作。

I want you to be a team player.

我希望你能成為有團隊精神的人。

Individuals are really important, and no more hugely important that we've just seen in the World Cup. individuals.

個人真的很重要，我們也在世足上看到個人的重要性。

But... but I... I do think that⏤I think, to have a consistency about your team is you need to have a team.

但我真的認為，如果要球隊擁有一致性，你得先有個團隊。

I think if you've got individuals, you might get inconsistency, but you might get some really good days, and we get clubs who can afford to carry one or two individual players who go along.

如果有太多個人意識，可能就會出現不一致性，但可能有些日子表現絕佳，而有一些球隊確實也可以支持只有一兩位球員表現特別好的狀況。

But I think while you're trying to build... build, I think you have to start with a really solid base, good foundation.

但我認為你在試圖建立的同時，必須有一個非常穩固的好根基。

And then, from that point, you try and grow.

然後你可以從那一點開始試圖成長。

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如果你喜歡 Diary of a CEO 這個品牌，也有在收看頻道，請幫我一個忙並成為 15% 已經點擊訂閱的頻道觀眾之一。

It helps us tremendously, and the bigger the channel gets, the bigger the guests.

那對我們會有極大幫助，而頻道越強大、來賓就會更大咖。