Name: 天主教主教徒解釋無神論者的最佳論點｜羅伯特-巴倫主教 (The best atheist arguments, explained by a Catholic bishop | Bishop Robert Barron)
Uploaded: 2022-11-01T18:26:16.000Z
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- You know, I think the very best arguments

- 你知道，我認為非常好的論據是

the story of Job is one of the great arguments

約伯的故事是偉大的論據之一。

because of the awful suffering that Job, a righteous man,

因為約伯這個正直的人遭受了可怕的痛苦。

he's a good righteous man, follower of the Lord,

他是一個善良的義人，是主的追隨者。

and yet he goes through every type of suffering.

然而，他經歷了各種類型的痛苦。

And it leads Job to question, at least the goodness of God,

這導致約伯質疑，至少質疑上帝的仁慈。

Go forward many centuries to Thomas Aquinas:

往前推很多個世紀到托馬斯-阿奎那。

when Thomas sets up the question, 'Does God exist?'

當托馬斯提出 "上帝是否存在？

如果兩個對立面中的一個是無限的。

So if there were infinite heat, there'd be nothing cold-

是以，如果有無限的熱量，就不會有冷的東西------。

but God is described as 'infinitely good.'

Therefore, if God exists there wouldn't be any evil,

是以，如果上帝存在，就不會有任何邪惡。

Dostoevsky was a deeply believing Christian.

陀思妥耶夫斯基是一個深具信仰的基督徒。

And yet he puts on the lips of his character,

然而他卻把他的角色放在嘴邊。

And Ivan is trying to convince his brother Alyosha

而伊萬正試圖說服他的兄弟阿廖沙

and was a devoutly mystical, religious person.

並且是一個虔誠的神祕主義者、宗教人士。

being tortured, in some cases, tortured to death."

被折磨，在某些情況下，被折磨致死"。

I mean read that, and it's as convincing as anything.

我的意思是讀到這句話，它就像任何東西一樣令人信服。

the author of Job, Thomas Aquinas, and Dostoevsky-

約伯記》、托馬斯-阿奎那和陀思妥耶夫斯基的作者

which is if there's so much evil in the world,

這就是如果世界上有這麼多的邪惡。

let's face it, there can't be an all-good God.

讓我們面對它，不可能有一個全能的上帝。

These are very good arguments against God.

這些都是反對上帝的很好的論據。

他們是無神論者所擁有的最好的 --

"God is so good that he permits certain evils,

"上帝是如此善良，以至於他允許某些惡行。

that could've never been accomplished otherwise."

There are examples where we can see that happening.

有一些例子，我們可以看到這種情況的發生。

Because of this evil, something really good happened to me that

因為這種邪惡，在我身上發生了一些真正的好事，那就是

That job I didn't get that was so devastating to me

我沒有得到的那份工作對我來說是毀滅性的

I got this other job, which, in fact, has proved to be so life-giving.

我得到了另一份工作，事實上，這份工作已被證明是非常有生命力的。

That relationship that meant so much to me

that breakup just broke my heart into a thousand pieces,

那次分手使我的心碎成了一千塊。

but because of that I met this woman, whom I'm now married

但是因為這個原因，我遇到了這個女人，我現在已經和她結婚了。

而且我找到了我生命中的快樂。

Aquinas extrapolates from those experiences

to say, 'Well, that's the way to think about

說，'嗯，這就是思考問題的方式

by a misunderstanding of what we mean by God.

If you imagine God as one more big, contingent thing

如果你把上帝想象成一個更大的、偶然的東西

But what's extraordinary is when you look at the surveys

但不尋常的是，當你看到調查時

of a lot of young people who are disaffiliating,

it's amazing how many say some version of,

令人驚訝的是，有多少人說了一些版本的。

"Well, I don't believe in this Old Man in the Sky anymore."

"好吧，我不再相信這個天空中的老人了。"

我的意思是，這是同一類事情。

And the fact that so many young people had been co-opted

by these really inadequate understandings of God, of faith,

通過這些對上帝、對信仰的真正不充分的理解。

聖經的，苦難的，所有這些的。

He's a reason, I'll put it more philosophically,

他是一個原因，我說得更哲學一點。

why there's something rather than nothing.

為什麼有東西而不是沒有東西。

Why there is a contingent, finite world at all.

為什麼會有一個偶然的、有限的世界。

So I think that's the fundamental mistake

所以我認為這是一個基本的錯誤

that a lot of atheists, both old and new, tend to make.

很多無神論者，包括新老無神論者，都傾向於這樣做。

They don't understand what serious believers mean

他們不明白嚴肅的信徒意味著什麼

We've been lousy at teaching and catechesis and preaching.

我們在教學、教義和講道方面一直很差勁。

Catholicism is a deeply intelligent tradition,

天主教是一個深具智慧的傳統。

但為什麼我們要把這些寶藏藏起來

Young people are saying the stupidest things

Well, I mean, that's to a large degree, our fault.

嗯，我是說，這在很大程度上是我們的錯。

So there is a crisis in preaching, teaching, and catechesis,

是以，在傳道、教學和教義方面存在著危機。

and we gotta take some responsibility for that.

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