The Surface Pro 9, the Surface Laptop 5,

Surface Pro 9，Surface Laptop 5。

and the Surface Studio 2+.

和Surface Studio 2+。

So, that's exciting,

所以，這很令人興奮。

but it's also the 10 year anniversary of Surface,

但這也是Surface的10週年紀念日。

a line that's become usually successful

一條通常成功的線

and ambitious for Microsoft.

對微軟來說，這是一個雄心勃勃的計劃。

So, we wanted to know how's that changed

是以，我們想知道這一點是如何改變的

over the last 10 years, and what's coming next?

在過去的10年中，以及接下來會發生什麼？

So, we came out here to Redmond, Washington,

是以，我們來到了華盛頓州的雷德蒙。

to meet with Panos Panay,

與帕諾斯-帕內會面。

the "man" behind Surface and Windows.

他是Surface和Windows背後的 "人"。

But first we got to see what Microsoft has his store

但首先我們得看看微軟有什麼好東西。

for Surface this fall.

今年秋天的Surface。

Out of the three new Surfaces coming later this month,

在本月晚些時候推出的三款新Surface中。

the Surface Pro 9, really has the most changes,

Surface Pro 9，確實有最多的變化。

both on the outside and inside.

在外部和內部都是如此。

New this year are colors

今年新增的顏色有

across the entire Surface Pro device,

在整個Surface Pro設備上。

so it's not just on the type cover anymore.

所以它不再只是在類型封面上。

That matches what we've seen on the Surface Laptop,

這與我們在Surface Laptop上看到的情況相符。

and I have a bit of a soft spot for the forest green color

我對森林綠的顏色情有獨鍾。

and the new sapphire blue.

和新的寶石藍。

If you really want to get fancy,

如果你真的想變得花哨。

there's even a special Liberty limited edition,

甚至還有一個特別的Liberty限量版。

that has been laser etched with a custom design.

這是被脈衝光蝕刻的定製設計。

It's great to see more

很高興看到更多

than just type covers for customization here.

在這裡，不僅僅是類型封面的定製。

Now, the other big story is Arm.

現在，另一個大的故事是Arm。

Microsoft must be confident in its Windows on Arm work,

微軟必須對其Windows on Arm工作充滿信心。

because the Surface Pro 9, now comes in two options.

因為Surface Pro 9，現在有兩種選擇。

There's a regular Intel edition with 12 gen chips,

有一個帶有12代芯片的普通英特爾版。

or an Arm powered version powered by the SQ3,

或由SQ3驅動的Arm驅動版本。

a chip designed by Microsoft and Qualcomm.

一個由微軟和高通公司設計的芯片。

That's right, the Surface Pro X is merged into the mainline

這是正確的，Surface Pro X被併入主線

and the only real difference on the outside,

和外面唯一真正的區別。

is that the Arm version feels a little bit lighter

是，手臂版本感覺更輕一點

but there's obviously some really big differences inside.

但裡面顯然有一些非常大的差異。

Top of those differences is that the SQ3 Surface PRO 9,

這些差異中最重要的是，SQ3 Surface PRO 9。

ships with 5G support for the first time.

首次配備5G支持。

Now, we tested it briefly

現在，我們對它進行了簡單的測試

in Microsoft's Surface roll back room,

在微軟的Surface回滾室。

where you can't see in or out of the windows,

在那裡你無法看到窗內或窗外的情況。

and 5G reception wasn't that great,

和5G的接收並不那麼好。

but setup was seamless

但設置是無縫的

and just a matter of putting a SIM card inside.

而只是在裡面放一張SIM卡的問題。

Unfortunately you won't be able to get 5G support

不幸的是，你將無法獲得5G支持

on the Intel version

在英特爾版本上

as Microsoft is keeping this exclusive to the SQ3.

因為微軟將其保留在SQ3上。

The SQ3 version also has a neural processing unit,

SQ3版本也有一個神經處理單元。

which is a fancy way of saying it can run AI tasks

這是一種華麗的說法，即它可以運行人工智能任務。

without hitting your CPU and GPU.

而不影響到你的CPU和GPU。

Microsoft is bringing impressive background

微軟正在帶來令人印象深刻的背景

and portrait blur across all video conferencing apps

在所有的視頻會議應用程序中，都可以進行人像模糊處理

on Windows with this SQ3 chip,

在Windows上使用這個SQ3芯片。

and even a voice focus feature

甚至還有語音對焦功能

that is particularly good at removing background noise.

這在消除背景噪音方面特別好。

We've seen similar efforts from Invideo, Discord, Zoom,

我們已經看到Invideo、Discord、Zoom的類似努力。

and plenty of other apps,

和大量其他的應用程序。

but all of those are hitting your CPU and GPU,

但所有這些都在衝擊著你的CPU和GPU。

whereas this is running separately on a chip.

而這是在一個芯片上單獨運行。

This is a big next step for Surface,

這是Surface的一個重要的下一步。

but it's not a reinvention of the line

但這並不是一個重新發明的線路

that defined the last 10 years of tablets.

這定義了過去10年的平板電腦。

So, I asked Panos,

所以，我問帕諾斯。

where does the kickstand go over the next 10 years?

在未來10年裡，踢球檯會去哪裡？

- I think the thing that will be here in 10 years,

- 我認為10年後的事情會在這裡出現。

is the need to create the kickstand itself.

是需要創建腳架本身。

It might be here,

它可能在這裡。

but it's more about how does a product adapt to you?

但更多的是關於一個產品如何適應你？

So, like when we did the kickstand,

所以，就像我們做腳架的時候一樣。

it was all about if we were gonna move

這都是關於我們是否要搬家的問題

from consuming to producing and you and I talked about this.

從消費到生產，你和我都談到了這一點。

I think the mode switching is here to stay

我認為模式切換將繼續存在

and the mode switching from leaning back to leaning in,

以及從靠後的模式切換到靠裡的模式。

is my way of saying it.

是我的說法。

So, creating versus consuming.

是以，創造與消費的關係。

- Next up is the Surface Laptop 5.

- 接下來是Surface Laptop 5。

Much like the previous Laptop 4.

與之前的Laptop 4很像。

This year's model will come

今年的模型將帶有

in a variety of colors and options to pick

有多種顏色和選項可供選擇

between the 13.5 inch or 15 inch displays,

13.5英寸或15英寸顯示器之間。

an Alcantara material or a metal finish.

阿爾坎塔拉材料或金屬表面。

There's a slightly lighter green sage color

有一種略微淺一些的綠色鼠尾草顏色

that's new this year alongside the regular Matt Black,

這是今年的一個新項目，與常規的馬特-布萊克一起。

Sandstone, and Platinum Alcantara.

砂岩，和白金阿爾坎塔拉。

Spec wise, you're picking between

從規格上看，你要在以下幾個方面進行選擇

pure Intel this time though.

雖然這次是純英特爾。

Like the Surface Pro 9, Surface Laptop 5,

像Surface Pro 9，Surface Laptop 5。

will be powered by 12 gen Intel chips,

將由12代英特爾芯片驅動。

with the base model starting with a Core I5.

基本型號以Core I5開始。

So, AMD is nowhere to be found here.

是以，AMD在這裡無處可尋。

Microsoft is also finally adding Thunderbolt for support

微軟也終於加入了對Thunderbolt的支持

to the Surface Laptop this year.

今年的Surface Laptop。

So, you'll have those super speedy file transfers.

是以，你將擁有那些超高速的文件傳輸。

There's also Dolby vision support for the display

顯示器還支持杜比視力

and Dolby Atmos for the sound.

和Dolby Atmos的聲音。

Microsoft had our step inside

微軟有我們的步驟在裡面

their super fancy Anechoic Chamber,

他們的超級花哨的消聲室。

one of the quietest places on earth.

地球上最安靜的地方之一。

The silence was met with a thundering demo

沉默中傳來了雷鳴般的演示聲

of Dolby Atmos sound,

的Dolby Atmos聲音。

which was an impressive and slightly surreal experience.

這是一次令人印象深刻且略顯超現實的經歷。

But this same Dolby Atmos support is also available

但這種同樣的杜比全景聲支持也是可以的

on the previous Surface Laptop 4 model.

在之前的Surface Laptop 4型號上。

Finally, Microsoft is refreshing its Surface Studio 2,

最後，微軟正在刷新其Surface Studio 2。

with a new 2+ model.

與一個新的2+模型。

It's largely the same outside, although Microsoft,

外面大體上是一樣的，儘管微軟。

has added free USBC fundable four ports at the rear.

在後面增加了免費的USBC可資助的四個端口。

The 28 inch display still supports pin input and touch,

28英寸的顯示屏仍然支持針式輸入和觸摸。

but it won't come cheap.

但這並不便宜。

With prices starting at $4,299,

價格從4299美元起。

you've really got to want that movie display.

你真的想要那個電影顯示屏。

Inside the internals have also been improved,

內部結構也得到了改進。

but as we're about to enter Intel's 13th gen era,

但由於我們即將進入英特爾的第13代時代。

the Surface Studio 2+,

Surface Studio 2+。

will only ship with 11th gen Core I7 H-Series chips.

將只裝運第11代酷睿I7 H系列芯片。

Microsoft squeezes these chips

微軟壓榨這些芯片

into a tiny case below the display,

進入顯示器下面的一個小盒子。

so it says it went for reliability,

所以它說它是為了可靠性。

rather than the latest CPUs.

而不是最新的CPU。

Frankly, it's disappointing, but thankfully,

坦率地說，這很令人失望，但值得慶幸。

there's now a RT Expert360 inside with 6G of VRAM.

現在裡面有一個RT Expert360，有6G的VRAM。

That's enough to power plenty of games at 1080p,

這足以為1080p下的大量遊戲提供動力。

and it should also be a step up for creative tasks.

而且它也應該是創造性任務的一個步驟。

I'd still like to have seen something

我仍然希望能看到一些東西

slightly more powerful though.

不過略微強大一些。

I've been asking for Surface

我一直在要求獲得Surface

to take gaming seriously for years,

認真對待遊戲多年。

and I think the Studio 2+,

而我認為是工作室2+。

probably comes as close as we're gonna get.

這可能是我們能得到的最接近的結果了。

But will Microsoft ever do a Surface gaming PC?

但微軟會不會做Surface遊戲電腦？

- Here's what I'll say.

- 以下是我要說的。

Our gaming customers on Windows are amazing.

我們在Windows上的遊戲客戶是驚人的。

In like what we want now from the Windows side

就像我們現在從Windows方面想要的那樣

is to make sure we're doing things like direct storage,

是為了確保我們在做直接存儲等事情。

or DX12, or just the elements

或DX12，或只是元素

that you just built the gaming right there.

你剛剛建立了遊戲，就在那裡。

So, we're now in this world of how do we make sure

是以，我們現在處於這個世界上，我們如何確保

we're giving the gamers their best experience?

我們給遊戲者最好的體驗？

So, I don't think it's about Surface hardware actually.

是以，我不認為這實際上與Surface硬件有關。

We have incredible OEMs right now that

我們現在有令人難以置信的原始設備製造商，他們

what they're delivering,

他們所提供的東西。

whether it's Legion, or Omen, or Alienware like Razor,

無論是Legion，還是Omen，或者像Razor一樣的Alienware。

these products are phenomenal.

這些產品是驚人的。

- So, don't expect a Surface Gaming Laptop anytime soon.

- 是以，不要指望很快會有Surface遊戲筆記本電腦。

What I thought was most interesting about meeting with Panos

我認為與帕諾斯會面最有趣的地方是

and the Surface team this week,

和本週的Surface團隊。

is a revelation that Microsoft started Surface

是一個啟示，微軟開始Surface

not just to take on the iPad with its own tablet.

不僅僅是為了用自己的平板電腦來對付iPad。

Panos tells me it began with a vision for a tablet,

帕諾斯告訴我，它開始於對平板電腦的設想。

a laptop, and a PC to uplift the entire ecosystem.

一臺筆記本電腦和一臺個人電腦來提升整個生態系統。

The Surface team only shipped the original

Surface團隊只發貨了原

Surface 2-in-1 device a decade ago.

十年前的Surface二合一設備。

Now, 10 years later, we've got the Surface Pro 9,

現在，10年後，我們有了Surface Pro 9。

the Surface Laptop 5, and the Surface Studio 2+,

Surface Laptop 5，以及Surface Studio 2+。

that really mark the success that Microsoft has had

真正標誌著微軟所取得的成功

in building PCs.

在構建PC方面。

Microsoft seems confident that Surface could be around

微軟似乎對Surface可能存在有信心

for another decade and well beyond.

再過十年甚至更久。

- It's just the first 10, Tom?

- 這只是前10名，湯姆？

- Yeah. - It's just the first 10.

- 是的 這只是前10名。

I mean, there's another 10, right behind it,

我的意思是，還有10個，就在它後面。

and I think the first 10 years have been pretty amazing,

而且我認為前10年是相當令人驚奇的。

but at the same time,

但在同一時間。

we're just starting on the journey for what's tomorrow?

我們才剛剛開始旅程，明天會怎樣？

- None of this success was guaranteed,

- 這些成功都沒有得到保證。

and it was a huge risk that involved

而這是一個巨大的風險，涉及

Microsoft engineers working in rooms without windows,

微軟工程師在沒有窗戶的房間裡工作。

but the result has changed the PC and Laptop space forever.

但其結果卻永遠地改變了個人電腦和筆記本電腦領域。

Everyone has copied the Surface Pro,

每個人都抄襲了Surface Pro。

and it's become the default 2-in-1 device now.

而且它現在已經成為默認的二合一設備。

Thanks to Microsoft giving away its reference designs,

感謝微軟贈送其參考設計。

pen technology and much more.

筆技術和更多。

I thought I'd end my time

我想我將結束我的時間

by asking paddles about the haters.

通過詢問槳葉上的仇恨者。

There were many people doubting,

有很多人在懷疑。

Microsoft would even keep Surface around,

微軟甚至會把Surface留在身邊。

and hey, there was Apple there saying,

嘿，蘋果公司在那裡說。

that the Surface of Windows 8,

即Windows 8的Surface。

were merging a fridge and toaster,

正在合併冰箱和烤麵包機。

but now it's a $2 billion business.

但現在它是一個20億美元的業務。

- What do you say to all those sort of haters, shall we say?

- 你對所有那些討厭的人怎麼說，我們可以說嗎？

About the doubted in the product.

關於產品中的疑點。

It look's great isn't it. - Yeah.

它看起來很棒，不是嗎。- 是的。

- What do you say to that?

- 你對此怎麼說？

- I think, I say thank you.

- 我想，我說謝謝你。

That's what I say, like thank you.

我就是這麼說的，比如說謝謝你。

Thank you for motivating us

謝謝你對我們的激勵

and thank you for being on this journey now.

並感謝你現在在這個旅程中。

I think, don't get me wrong, like there's a little bit,

我認為，不要誤會我的意思，好像有一點。

I know there's a team here

我知道這裡有一個團隊

that has a bit of a chip I'm sure,

我敢肯定，這裡面有一點籌碼。

but it gets buried very quickly, in the what's next?

但它很快就被埋沒了，在下一步是什麼？

- Yeah. 'Cause you believed in it, right?

- 是的，因為你相信它，對嗎？

- Yeah, we always believed, and we still do.

- 是的，我們一直相信，而且現在仍然相信。

- Both the Surface Pro 9, and Surface Laptop 5,

- 無論是Surface Pro 9，還是Surface Laptop 5。

start shipping on October 25th,

10月25日開始發貨。

and a price starting at $999.

以及999美元起的價格。

And then there's a Surface Studio 2+,

然後有一個Surface Studio 2+。

which also start shipping October 25th,

這些產品也於10月25日開始發貨。

but the prices there start at $4,299.

但那裡的價格從4299美元開始。

So, definitely get saving if you want that PC.

是以，如果你想要那臺PC，一定要去存錢。

Thanks for watching, and we will see you in the next one.

感謝您的觀看，我們將在下一個節目中看到您。